Re: [blind-democracy] Re: News of the day

As an Agnostic, I don't get hung up as to whether Jesus was Divine, or
whether He was Real, or whether He was a Composite of all that we
Humans hoped to become.
To me, Jesus was the latter, and His spoken Word symbolizes the
Positive Side of Human Nature.
After so many years, how can we honestly know who Jesus the Man really
was? When I think of how many stories are woven into the lives of our
Forefathers, like those of George Washington, stories that raise them
above the Rabble, and place them onto an Ivory Pedestal. And those
folks lived less than 250 years ago! Imagine what they will sound
like after another 1,000 years.
So it's the message that lives on. Jesus was probably as real as
Homer or Alexander the Great, but it was the meaning of His words that
were the important thing, like the meaning of the fight between
Goliath and David, or the battles of King Arthur and his knights of
the round table. All of it tells me that Mankind has had a very long
struggle in attempting to overcome his Base Nature, to rise above our
base human grub, and emerge as the beautiful Butterfly that flutters
within the breast of every Man, Woman and Child.

Carl Jarvis

And frankly, that is the battle we all should be involved in, if we
have any hope of being around in another 1,000 years.

Carl Jarvis

On 6/29/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> OK.
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> I have a question about Jesus, however. If he actually existed, how do we
> know anything about what he was really like and what he said? Could he be
> just a symbol of human aspiration?
>
> Miriam
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:38 AM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: News of the day
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> Without going back and reading what I wrote, I thought I said that the two
> Bushes, Kennedy and FDR were members of the Ruling Class.
> And when I condemn "The Ruling Class", it is always with the understanding
> that it is not each individual, but rather, it is the collective abuse of
> the current Ruling Class. Here in America, the Ruling Class is and has been
> from the day the ink was put on the Constitution, White Male Landholders.
> When I talk about, "The Working Class", I do not intend to suggest that
> everyone who is within that category is hard working, honest, caring and
> disadvantaged. What I see as the Working Class are those people who are
> underwriting the goals of the Ruling Class, and supporting their life style
> as well as defending their Right to be the Ruling Class. But within the
> Working Class are a growing number of people who no longer wish to do the
> bidding of the Ruling Class. When that number grows it could well bring
> about the overthrow of the long established Ruling Class. And so, the
> Ruling Class has gone about protecting its position. The development of the
> Military/Industrial Complex is the brain child of the Ruling Class, not that
> of the Working Class. Control of the public media and of the Press is
> another defense of the Ruling Class. Our Public Education is also a control
> by the Ruling Class, even as the efforts are going forward toward
> privatizing education.
> Of course, human beings being such diverse creatures, there are many good
> people scattered up and down our Class Structure. And by the way, most of
> the "good" people are mixed bags. For example, I consider myself to be a
> good person, a member of the Working Class, critical of the government,
> critical of the long established Ruling Class and its Colonialism, concerned
> that nations are becoming subjugated to powerful international corporations,
> a strong believer and supporter of Human Rights and human dignity, and yet I
> spent my life working to "protect" the position of the Ruling Class. As I
> said, I pay my taxes which go toward murdering innocent people around the
> world, I worked for most of my life as a government employee, supporting the
> Establishment that I criticized, and doing my best to care for myself and my
> wife and our families above and beyond those of others.
> Finally, I am well aware that it is Human Nature that turns a dominant Group
> of People into an Oppressive, controlling Greedy, self serving Master
> Race...like the American Empire.
> Even those among us who understood that we need to find a way to control our
> own Human Nature, people like Jesus, even Jesus became entangled in the
> Human Web, mixing His philosophies into the religion and the government of
> the day. And both religion and government seized upon His teachings and
> corrupted them for their own use as a controlling tool.
> Even Jesus was a product of His world. Taken alone, His teachings are
> powerful. But they must be modified and carefully controlled in order to be
> of use to those wishing to continue in power.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
>
> On 6/28/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Well first of all, FDR, Kennedy, and the 2 Bush's were members of the
>> ruling class, not wannabees.
>> Second: I don't want to shock you or anything. However, it is
>> conceivable that an individual who was born into a family that is part
>> of the ruling class, might be a really good, kind, moral human being.
>> I'm not saying that the people whom you mentioned were, but really, to
>> condemn every person who is born into a wealthy family is as
>> prejudiced and discriminatory as condemning all poor people by assuming
>> that they're all lazy or stupid.
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:52 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: News of the day
>>
>> In my lifetime I have not seen a single president who would serve as
>> an example to me. Even my great hero, when I was young, FDR.
>> All of these men served, to one degree or another, the Ruling Class.
>> Most of these men were not even of the Ruling Class. But oh how they
>> longed to belong. FDR, Kennedy and the Bushes would probably be
>> allowed in. But the rest? Pretenders. Lackeys. Shills!
>> My three heroes are unknown to most Americans. First, my dad, Clyde
>> Fletcher Jarvis; next, Al Fisher; and lastly, Paul Robeson. Men of
>> principle. Men who knew how to stand tall for the causes they believed
>> in.
>> If our species survives, it will be due to Jarvis, Fisher and Robeson
>> and many, many other unsung heroes, not the Trumps and Bushes or the
>> Clinton's and Obama's, who took their pieces of gold and bent to kiss
>> the hem of the Koch Brothers royal robes.
>>
>> Carl Jarvis
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>> On 6/27/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> I read a really long article about Obama last night, about what he's
>>> doing.
>>> What he's doing is what he's always done, taking care of himself. I
>>> may have already mentioned it on this list. So there are members of
>>> his party who are very distressed with him because they feel that he
>>> should be leading the "Resistance", doing more to fight what Trump is
>>> doing. I find it interesting that the well known political figure who
>>> is doing all he can to fight back, Is Bernie Sanders. He is making
>>> speeches and introducing legislation. He visited Puerto Rico after
>>> the hurricane. He made a statement about the Israelis shooting the
>>> demonstrating Gazans. Obama played Golf with other rich people,
>>> traveled to foreign countries, and has been making speeches for high
>>> fees like $300,000. There's a podcast called, Reveal from The Center
>>> For Investigative Reporting and PRX which I resubscribed to yesterday.
>>> They did a report on immigration and I learned that under Obama,
>>> families were also separated, nothing as drastic as what is happening
>>> now, but it was happening. I was releaved that in the report, they
>>> managed to make a gentle statement about how the problems in South
>>> and Central America from which people are fleeing to the US, are a
>>> result of US policy. It was comforting to know that this is being
>>> said on podcasts other than those on the far left.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:32 PM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: News of the day
>>>
>>> They say that it's always darkest before the dawn. But that bright
>>> light is probably the end of civilization.
>>>
>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/27/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> Justice Kennedy is retiring. Sometimes, he voted with the liberal
>>>> justices.
>>>> Now that he's retiring, Trump can appoint another right wing judge.
>>>> We already had 3 terrible supreme court rulings today, upholding the
>>>> Muslim ban, destroying union funding, and ruling against a
>>>> California law that required crisis pregnancy centers to tell
>>>> patients that abortion is available in California. The supreme court
>>>> will now have a
>>>> 6 to 3 right wing majority.
>>>>
>>>> If you can find a way to hear today's episode of Intercepted, you
>>>> should do so. It is the recording of the live show they did on June
>>>> 21 with Sy Hersh and it's excellent.
>>>>
>>>> However, Seymour Hersh confirmed my belief that we are now a Fascist
>>>> state, that it's impossible to impeach Trump, and that Trump may
>>>> very well win a second term.
>>>>
>>>> Miraculously a very young, Puerta Rican social democratic female
>>>> with out big money, won the democratic primary in NYC against a ten
>>>> term well funded machine Democratic congressman.
>>>>
>>>> Each day, I encounter evidence that my aging brain is becoming more
>>>> scrambled.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
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