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From: Carl Jarvis via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:54:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [acb-chat] (no subject)
To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
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Cc: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com>

Andy and all Blind People doing their crumby best.

Personally, I don't like to think in terms of whose fault it is. It
just is what it is.
And yes, each of us could do more for ourselves. But why focus on
"Us"? We could say that our government, which is set in place to care
and protect All of the People, could do much more for all citizens.
But as I say, it is what it is. It is what we decide to do with that
which is around us, that matters.
William has presented himself as the "rugged individual", the "I'm for
Me First!" sort of fellow. On the other end, I am a "Groupie", a
fellow who believes that many heads solve the problems better. Over
the years I, along with others, gathered blind people and their
friends together into Support Groups. The ACB and the NFB and the
Blinded Veterans are, among other things, nation-wide support groups.
Which course of action should we involve ourselves in, William's
Rugged Individualism or a strong nation-wide support group? We can
begin by asking which philosophy gets results. William's approach
seems to have done William a good turn...but most of us don't know
William, so we can only take his word. We can turn to the Group
Action Organizations. Now we can see a wide trail of accomplishments
and improvements. I would suggest that anyone really doubting the
achievements can do a little research, so I will not lengthen this
note by listing some of them. But here is an interesting fact, many
of those blind folk who shun support groups, and even ridicule them,
have benefited by the collective actions that have resulted in better
services and a move closer to equality. It is, in my opinion, the
continuous activities of strong support groups that will continue to
improve our lives, and the lives of future blind people.
As a "joiner" I appreciate a side benefit. I have a huge number of
good friends. I understand that this is a personal benefit, that some
folks like their solitude, but it's a real appeal for those of us who
enjoy sitting around at a banquet, laughing with friends and shoveling
good food and drink down our collective throats.

Carl Jarvis, Jefferson County Council of the Blind secretary

Co-Director, Peninsula Rehabilitation Services

Co-Founder, Lilac Blind Foundation in Spokane, WA.

Retired Director of the Orientation and Training Center for the
Washington State Department of Services for the Blind.

Former Assistant Director for the Washington State Department of
Services for the Blind

etc., etc., etc.,


On 12/18/18, Andy Baracco via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
> I do think that Will's statement was rather harsh, but I also think that
> many blind people can do a lot more than they think they can. This isn't
> their fault, but the fault of all of the enablers out there who are
> convinced that blind people can't do anything without help.
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Weiner via acb-chat" <acb-chat@acblists.org>
> To: "Jack Heim via acb-chat" <acb-chat@acblists.org>
> Cc: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein@dcwein.cnc.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 6:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] (no subject)
>
>
> Will, I'm glad you have been successful, but I do agree with the other
> guy, why even post this on ACB's list, just go on with your life and
> don't even bother with other blind people, after all you've helped
> yourself and done it all.
>
>
> Unless it is to show us how successful you are and that you feel
> satisfaction in telling us all about this because you have done it many
> times.
>
>
> I wish you all the best,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 12/18/2018 9:22 AM, Jack Heim via acb-chat wrote:
>> LOL! No irony what so ever in posting this on an ACB list, right?
>>
>> I mean, seriously, do people give the slightest thought what so ever to
>> the stuff they post to this list?
>>
>> On 12/17/18 5:54 PM, William Grussenmeyer via acb-chat wrote:
>>> No thanks to doing good or helping people. Life is a competition and i
>>> only help myself.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:47 PM, Demaya, Diego via acb-chat
>>>> <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> The problems we witness daily, whether a mass shooting or the tragedy of
>>>>
>>>> Yemen, has nothing to do with any of us as individuals. Please do not
>>>> get caught up in the stupid blame game played by the agenda-driven mass
>>>>
>>>> media and agenda-driven politicians. No need to be spreading blame on
>>>> issues and situations that are beyond the control of anyone individual.
>>>>
>>>> I remind folks that what our politicians decide in our best interest is
>>>>
>>>> nothing of the kind. And, there is no cynicism in embracing the view
>>>> that money does indeed protect or shield any individual from just about
>>>>
>>>> any type of situation -- including bankrupting large corporations
>>>> without regard to employees, corrupting influences of group-think in
>>>> politics, political corruption, law enforcement corruption, gutting of
>>>> our Constitution, etc. If anyone feels that money is not what controls
>>>> all there is, then please name me a single corporate executive who has
>>>> gone to jail for bankrupting viable profit-making companies, murdering
>>>> his/her spouse, willfully committing medical malpractice, poisoning
>>>> entire populations with pollutants, harmful chemicals, or plain water,
>>>> abusing Presidential privilege, etc. And, no, do not site me these
>>>> seldom occasional incidences where we are told that justice has been
>>>> served by sending some rich idiot scapegoat to jail. Money does indeed
>>>> impose a harsh reality: greed, fear,, and power.
>>>>
>>>> Last I heard about the great Sears corporation shutting down was that
>>>> while its CEO was busily closing down stores around the country and
>>>> laying off thousands, he was also busy securing his personal private
>>>> island estate in Florida complete with an around the clock armed
>>>> military-style security force. Rush Limbau resides in a 40 thousand
>>>> square foot home and has a private security guarded "bunker" from which
>>>>
>>>> he sends out his lying message to his loyal flock. Let's see, HP forked
>>>>
>>>> over 100 million dollars to Carly as severance just so she would stop
>>>> further ruining the company... Gosh, should I continue? How about
>>>> Goldman Sacks? Think anyone there went to prison for defrauding billions
>>>>
>>>> of dollars from people like you and I who lost their investments and
>>>> homes? What about Weiss Fargo and that fraud case where they created
>>>> fee-generating accounts for people who never asked?
>>>>
>>>> And get this: Obama at least had the decency of putting into place the
>>>> CFPB that could financially punish banks and mortgage companies for
>>>> wrongdoing -- mind you not criminally -- but at least financially. Guess
>>>>
>>>> what? Mr. Trump came in and his third day he promptly deleted the CFPB
>>>> from existence! No, Obama was no angel, but at least he did some small
>>>> things that made some small sense --
>>>> even if no one could go to prison. In Trumps hay day of the now, not
>>>> even a small semblance of justice, like the CFPB, can stand. You see,
>>>> these monsters have progressed beyond simple capitalist greed: they will
>>>>
>>>> burn the planet down so long as they get what they want --
>>>> even if it kills them as well!
>>>>
>>>> Regarding criminals who kill people in mass shootings and/or at a liquor
>>>>
>>>> store robbery, how can such an atrocity be blamed on anyone except for
>>>> the perpetrators? Sure, perhaps the getaway driver should not be put on
>>>>
>>>> death row or given life in prison if he did not kill anyone, but no
>>>> criminal justice system is perfect. But again, I reject any personal
>>>> blame for such events -- because they are entirely beyond my control --
>>>>
>>>> regardless whether I like guns and support the Second Amendment or not,
>>>>
>>>> or whether anyone misguidedly believes that banning guns will keep
>>>> children and innocent people safe from deranged killers.
>>>>
>>>> Next, I find it ironically cynical to naively believe that an single
>>>> individual doing a good deed for his/her community or friends will
>>>> change the global elite powers that presently run all nations and
>>>> economic systems for the better? The global elite powers are only in it
>>>>
>>>> for themselves, so trust me, they do indeed mean harm for all of us. To
>>>>
>>>> them we are nothing more than poorly educated and ignorant consumers who
>>>>
>>>> are hooked on their goods! Just look at the iPhone psychosis or
>>>> PlayStation phenomenon if you do not believe me!
>>>>
>>>> Definition of Globalism or New World Order: The ultimate goal of the new
>>>>
>>>> world order as an ideology is total centralization of economic and
>>>> governmental power into the hands of a select and unaccountable
>>>> bureaucracy made up of international financiers. This is governance
>>>> according to the dictates of Plato's Republic; a delusional fantasy
>>>> world in which benevolent philosopher kings, supposedly smarter and more
>>>>
>>>> objective than the rest of us, rule from on high with scientific
>>>> precision and wisdom. It is a world where administrators become gods.
>>>>
>>>> Consider the statement above closely.
>>>>
>>>> Hence, I advise folks that they should indeed be kind to one another,
>>>> respect our mutual politics and religions, and indeed do a good deed for
>>>>
>>>> someone, or several people, in dire need. But the difference is that you
>>>>
>>>> should do it because it makes you feel good -- not because it might make
>>>>
>>>> some other bunch feel good. For instance, I feel no guilt about what is
>>>>
>>>> happening in Yemen or our own border with Mexico. Such problems are made
>>>>
>>>> up of various complex equations and machinations for which blame can no
>>>>
>>>> doubt be spread quite widely -- though certainly not on any single
>>>> person. I am human and I am limited to making choices as a single person
>>>>
>>>> and for me only. I do not make choices for other people -- unless they
>>>> are children or mentally unable to sidestep a looming danger. Yes, I
>>>> still apply common sense, social decency, and the occasional rational
>>>> logical approach to problems I encounter -- both personal and political.
>>>>
>>>> Yet even then, any choices or thoughts I may have are strictly my own.
>>>> Whether anyone wishes to make a personal choice themselves and follow
>>>> anything I say or believe, this is a matter, again, entirely up to that
>>>>
>>>> person alone, and I will not be responsible for that person's actions.
>>>>
>>>> This is not about disliking each other on this forum. This is not about
>>>>
>>>> arguing silly political differences. This is about critically
>>>> recognizing reality from fantasy. But just because we face real issues
>>>> on a daily basis does not mean we should forget what is truly important.
>>>>
>>>> The media, politicians, and global elites want the rest of us to stay
>>>> distracted and arguing with each other about the issues... Indeed, here
>>>>
>>>> is how much they care about what we think:
>>>>
>>>> Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep...
>>>>
>>>> In the end, we as individuals are entitled to believe whatever we
>>>> wish -- and no one is permitted to openly criticize unless otherwise
>>>> invited to do so! So, if anyone on this forum takes someone else's'
>>>> shared opinion personally, please do not cry havoc if you invited others
>>>>
>>>> to comment.
>>>>
>>>> I leave you with great words from one of my favorite rockers, Elvis
>>>> Costello:
>>>>
>>>> "What's so funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding?"
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Diego
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D
>>>> Diego Demaya, J.D.
>>>> Human Resources Adviser -- Director ADA Technical Assistance
>>>> Southwest ADA Center (Region VI TX, LA, NM, OK, AR)
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>>>> Web: www.SouthwestADA.org
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 10:54 AM
>>>> To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
>>>> whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion
>>>> list.
>>>> Cc: Bob
>>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [acb-chat] (no subject)
>>>>
>>>> Carl:
>>>>
>>>> That is a real stretch for analysis.
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/17/18, Carl Jarvis via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>>> How many reports such as the one below must we see before we realize
>>>>> that there is blood on all of our hands?
>>>>> When a robber held up a liquor store and gunned down the clerk, the
>>>>> police also arrested his accomplice, who sat at the curb behind the
>>>>> wheel of the get away car. Even though he did not enter the store,
>>>>> nor did he have a weapon on him, and he claimed to know nothing about
>>>>> his buddy's intentions, he was charged and sentenced for murder.
>>>>> If that is true under our laws, then we all, all Americans are guilty
>>>>> of the murders of thousands of Yemen citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> US supplied bomb that killed 40 children on Yemen school bus
>>>>> Eleven adults also died and 79 people were wounded
>>>>> Bomb sold to Saudi Arabia was made by Lockheed Martin
>>>>> list end
>>>>>
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