Fwd: [blind-democracy] Re: Monday Morning Ramble

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From: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:24:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Monday Morning Ramble
To: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@aol.com>

Your differences are noted. But look at this constitution of ours.
Sure, it demands the right to self rule and denies that our rulers are
given to us by a Higher Power. It does say that our leaders will not
be protected by God, but must be chosen by the people. But then we
define just who those people are. White men 21 years of age and
older, Land Holders or men of great wealth.
Slaves, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans and the Working Class are
not trusted(respected)enough to be given a voice in the new
government. It is this taint of aristocracy, this unspoken belief
that some Men are created more equal than others, that parrots the
existing views of what government is, and who qualifies to run it.
Yes, we did end slavery...in name only. And yes, we did make some
inroads in which women gained the right to vote and even to hold
office, and for a period of time there was an effort to register all
citizens to vote, even as methods of limiting and controlling who
could vote began to replace the old poll taxes and literacy tests.
Gerrymandering and voter register purges as well as limiting access to
voting, through the removal of many voting places, handing out fake
ballots, voting machines that are rigged, all give the lie to the
great promises of our elected(bought)leaders. Perhaps the Holy
Emperor is dead, but he leaves behind his ample treasury. His
underlings have the great wealth to buy loyalty and to bury those who
stand in opposition. Generations of brain washing have produced a
short term mind and a lack of interest in politics by the majority of
People. We go all
gah gah over our Sports and Entertainment Kings and Queens, but don't
know who the vice president is. We are trained to accept the window
dressing, the veneer that is presented as who our leaders are, while
they hide behind gated palaces and giggle as they plot against us.
But we are expected to pay them respect, and treat them as if they
care.
Oops! I'm getting off on another rant. Enough! I honestly feel much
stronger on the subject than I allow myself to express.

Cordially,
Carl Jarvis


On 6/3/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@aol.com> wrote:
>
> But it did not just parrot the ruling class it replaced. A worker in a
> factory is oppressed, but not as oppressed as a slave in a field. A road to
> enter the bourgeoisie is an advance even if the majority of workers don't
> become a part of it. When your station in life is rigidly determined by
> inheritance the economic system is less advanced than one that provides for
> some class mobility.
> ---
>
> Carl Sagan
> ??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ???
> ??? Carl Sagan
>
>
>
> On 6/3/2019 9:54 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
>> But was it really a step forward for humanity? The bourgeoisie
>> replaced the British Aristocracy and drafted a Constitution designed
>> to protect their Ruling Class status. Historians have spun it as a
>> step toward freedom, but a ruling class is still a ruling class
>> regardless of its nature. Control over the working class has come in
>> all kinds of shapes. But when it ends up simply parroting the Ruling
>> Class it replaced, it is nothing but a futile effort, and a waste of
>> lives and resources.
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@aol.com> wrote:
>>> What should be remembered is that the American revolution was a
>>> bourgeois revolution. They succeeded in throwing off the oppression of
>>> the British aristocracy over them and that was a step forward for
>>> humanity in general, but they were not concerned about the people that
>>> they, the bourgeoisie, were oppressing.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Carl Sagan
>>> ??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ???
>>> ??? Carl Sagan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/2019 1:37 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
>>>> Absolutely right, Miriam.
>>>> We have built up so many myths that I doubt Americans will ever see
>>>> our nation for what it is. Sure, it was a bold move back in 1776, but
>>>> our forefathers were not the statesmen we like to make them out to be.
>>>> Some very bright and innovative people, but still they were products
>>>> of their times. And that is my point. They were "of their time", not
>>>> of ours. We keep fiddling with a document that was based on totally
>>>> different conditions and times, trying to make it fit today. Like
>>>> trying to send the Wright Brothers to do battle with a fighter jet.
>>>> Anyway, gotta get on the road.
>>>>
>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> Coincidentally, at the same time that I'm reading, "These Truths", I'm
>>>>> also
>>>>> reading a novel, "My Dear Hamilton", which describes a lot more of the
>>>>> history around the period between 1876 and the early 1800's. Alexander
>>>>> Hamilton was in charge of the Treasury Department. He'd written the
>>>>> underlying philosophy and the economic rules for the new nation.
>>>>> Everything
>>>>> was focused on business and profits as a way of getting the country
>>>>> out
>>>>> of
>>>>> debt. The emphasis was never on individuals, certainly not on workers
>>>>> and
>>>>> farmers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 11:59 AM
>>>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Monday Morning Ramble
>>>>>
>>>>> Discussion on another list got my brain to groaning and then stirring.
>>>>> The writer suggested that we need to wake up to the fact that war has
>>>>> been
>>>>> declared upon the Working Class, by the Ruling Class.
>>>>> My contention is that our Founding Fathers, the Landed Gentry and
>>>>> those
>>>>> who
>>>>> held fortunes, drafted an amazing Constitution that declared their
>>>>> right
>>>>> to
>>>>> rule.
>>>>> That Constitution, although battered and bent at times, has endured.
>>>>> Here's more of what I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, if you wander back through our nation's history, you will
>>>>> find
>>>>> that the Founding Fathers, the Landed Gentry, established a government
>>>>> that
>>>>> put them in charge. And despite taking a few batterings over the
>>>>> years,
>>>>> most notably the Great Depression, this US Constitution has done its
>>>>> job.
>>>>> The Oligarchy endures. Concessions have been made, such as ending
>>>>> slavery,
>>>>> women's vote, wage minimum, social security, medicare, the 8 hour work
>>>>> day,
>>>>> an end to child labor, nation-wide postal system, free public
>>>>> education,
>>>>> and
>>>>> on and on. These changes were fought for, one at a time. The
>>>>> Founding
>>>>> Fathers viewed them as socialistic and later on as Marxist, but in
>>>>> truth
>>>>> they were the result of the Working Class fighting back. Labor was
>>>>> never
>>>>> included at the planning table when our Constitution was drafted. The
>>>>> theory at the time was if you didn't own or control a piece of the
>>>>> Land,
>>>>> you
>>>>> were not entitled to have a say in its use. This continues today with
>>>>> corporations telling their workers that they do not have a right in
>>>>> the
>>>>> decisions that direct the corporation. Of course you will note that
>>>>> these
>>>>> same corporate spokesmen feel that they have the right to control the
>>>>> lives
>>>>> of their employees. That's the beauty of Control.
>>>>> So, my point being that we, the Working Class, have been in a war from
>>>>> the
>>>>> beginning. Our gains were fought for, long and hard. And with each
>>>>> gain
>>>>> has come concentrated effort by the Oligarchy to roll them back.
>>>>> We, the Working Class are in trouble. Even if Donald Trump is not
>>>>> elected
>>>>> again in 2020, he has set in place a wide number of very conservative
>>>>> judges
>>>>> in federal districts, and begun, through his cabinet, the dismantling
>>>>> of
>>>>> fundamental programs and regulations that we have come to believe are
>>>>> our
>>>>> right. And, most important, we are in the process of losing our
>>>>> "right"
>>>>> to
>>>>> independent thought. Our very minds are being taken over by the
>>>>> sophisticated brain washing technology developed by the Think Tanks
>>>>> supported by the Oligarchy.
>>>>> We have allowed, and been led, into allowing others to think for us.
>>>>> We are trained to turn to our Great Leaders, and if they are not
>>>>> Great,
>>>>> they
>>>>> will be made over, to appear Great Leaders. Until each of us begins
>>>>> to
>>>>> think for ourselves, and act upon our conclusions, we will continue to
>>>>> drift
>>>>> toward enabling a Dictator to rise to power at the head of our
>>>>> American
>>>>> Empire.
>>>>> Of course there are other possibilities. One that I've mentioned
>>>>> before
>>>>> is
>>>>> the possible breakup of our nation. International Mega Corporations
>>>>> might
>>>>> rise up to control what once were nations or parts of nations, and
>>>>> begin
>>>>> struggling for international control, dragging the Working Class into
>>>>> battle.
>>>>> For sure, we're in The End Days, as far as our American Empire is
>>>>> concerned.
>>>>> Better start thinking and pick a side.
>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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