By Amy Goodman and Denis Moynihan
President Donald Trump has given new meaning to the "White House."
From his perch at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, he hurls racist epithets
via tweet while
commanding armed agents to terrorize immigrants at the border and in
communities from coast to coast.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi summed it up well, commenting last week
about Trump's attempts to insert a citizenship question into the U.S.
Census even after
he was rebuffed by the Supreme Court. She accused Trump of trying to
"Make America White Again."
It is well known that Trump is a voracious consumer of Fox News. On
Sunday morning, just 20 minutes after "Fox & Friends" ran a piece
attacking Congressmembers
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida
Tlaib, Trump tweeted:
"So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who
originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and
total catastrophe
… loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States … how
our government is to be run. Why don't they go back and help fix the
totally broken
and crime infested places from which they came."
Go back to where you came from? Three of the women he attacked were
born in the United States: Ocasio-Cortez, born in the Bronx, is the
youngest woman
ever to serve in Congress; Pressley, born in Cincinnati, is the first
African-American congresswoman to represent Massachusetts. Tlaib, born
in Detroit,
is Palestinian-American. She and Ilhan Omar are the first Muslim women
ever elected to Congress.
Omar is also the first congresswoman to wear a hijab. Born in Somalia,
she came to the U.S. as a political refugee when she was a child. As
one viral video
pointed out, Omar has been a U.S. citizen longer than Trump's third
wife, first lady Melania Trump, a native of Slovenia.
Trump's racist tweets united a fractured Democratic Party, quickly
mobilizing support for the four freshmen congresswomen, now referred
to collectively
as "The Squad."
By Tuesday, a resolution, House Res. 489, "Condemning President
Trump's racist comments directed at Members of Congress," was being
debated on the House
floor. Republicans temporarily derailed the debate by invoking an
obscure line contained in the congressional rules that states,
"References to racial
or other discrimination on the part of the President are not in
order." The original rule book banning use of the word "racist" was
written by Thomas Jefferson,
himself a slave owner, but any irony in that was apparently lost on
the Republicans. The resolution ultimately passed, with four
Republicans voting with
the Democratic majority. While it was the first formal House rebuke of
a sitting president in over 100 years, a more serious motion to
censure Trump was
blocked by Pelosi.
Trump doubled down on his verbal assaults on the four congresswomen,
accusing them of being socialists or communists. Trump's use of
McCarthy-era attacks
should surprise no one, as his early mentor was Roy Cohn, who served
as Sen. Joseph McCarthy's lead attorney when destroying thousands of
lives through
red-baiting during the 1950s.
Trump went to North Carolina on Wednesday to hold a campaign rally.
Once again, he went after his favorite targets: women and people of
color, telegraphing
what will likely be a strategy of using racist rhetoric to inflame his
white base. In the midst of his long tirade directed against Ilhan
Omar, the crowd
began chanting, "Send her back! Send her back!"
In his book "The Black History of the White House," American
University professor Clarence Lusane chronicles the history of the
presidential mansion, from
the slaves forced to build it to the first African American
presidential family, the Obamas.
Lusane writes: "For many African Americans, the 'white' of the White
House has meant more than just the building's color; it has symbolized
the hue and
source of dehumanizing cruelty, domination and exclusion that has
defined the long narrative of whites' relations to people of color in
the United States."
On Monday, the four congresswomen who so clearly threaten Trump held a
news conference, denouncing his racism toward them and people of color
overall,
pointing to his policies on migrant detention, family separation and
the threatened ICE raids. Refusing to mention Trump by name, Ayanna
Pressley made
clear whose country this is:
"Despite the occupant of the White House's attempts to marginalize us
and to silence us, know that we are more than four people. We ran on a
mandate to
advocate for and to represent those ignored, left out and left behind.
Our squad is big. Our squad includes any person committed to building
a more equitable
and just world. That is the work that we want to get back to. Given
the size of this squad and this great nation, we cannot, we will not,
be silenced."
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Thursday, July 18, 2019
Tuesday, July 16, 2019
Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Eric Garner case finally heard — in a cops’ court
Another thought on the subject, Miriam.
My son-in-law sees his job with the Pierce County Sheriffs Department
in the same light as he sees my work with Older Blind and Low Vision
People. We are both serving the Public. He enforces the Law without
ever questioning whether the Law is protecting all the people equally.
He listens to my complaints regarding a program that is under funded
and over worked, and he tells me that it is the same in the Sheriff's
Department. And so it is with all my family, friends and associates.
We are all doing our jobs to the best of our abilities, and to the
limits of the rules that regulate our behavior. Most of us are
floundering around trying to make ends meet, and we never reach the
time, or have the luxury of time, to question why things work the way
they do.
And if I were to travel to Tacoma and protest the treatment of little
children in that inhuman Baby Jail, and if I were ordered to leave the
scene, and I refused, I can assure you that my son-in-law would
handcuff me and arrest me for breaking the law...even though he has
three little girls at home, and would never stand by and watch any of
them treated like the children locked up in the Baby Jail. And in all
of this, he never thinks that he is protecting a Class Division to
which he can never belong. He believes that as an Officer of the Law,
he is protecting America. And because I mostly like him, and he is a
good husband and loving father, even though he is programming his
daughters to be devout Christians, even though, at the very same time,
he is a lackey for the Oligarchy...the Ruling Class.
That is part of why I insist that we need to begin identifying America
as a Two Class System...the Ruling Class and the Working Class. While
my son-in-law is actually a member of the Working Class, he sees
himself as being above many of the people he deals with on a daily
basis. He has been taught to associate with the Ruling Classes needs
without understanding that if he failed to protect them, he would be
squashed like a bug. My doctor believes that he is "better off" than
most of his patients. He is opposed to Universal Health Care. He is
opposed because he has been conditioned to believe this, without
seeing that he is helping to create and protect a two-tiered System of
Health Care...that very limited and expensive care given to the
Masses, and the full coverage provided to the Ruling Class.
He does not see himself as being in the Working Class. His survival,
he believes, is dependent upon his compliance to the whims of the
Ruling Class, whether that is good or bad for most of his patients.
I could go on, but my point is that each of us justifies who we are,
and why we do and believe what we do, without thinking much about how
we came to do and believe what we do. A tenured professor believes he
is superior to the First Grade teacher because he has a PHD and she
has a mere teaching certificate. My local bank manager feels that she
is superior to her Tellers, because she has the power to fire them.
Until we can all see one another as supporters of the Ruling Class,
the American Oligarchy, and understand that regardless of how well or
how poorly we are "rewarded" for our contribution, it is ultimately
done to benefit that Ruling Class. Period.
One of the several companies my dad worked for was a huge building
materials manufacturer. The head of the Shop became good friends with
my dad. He constantly bragged about how he had "built that shop from
nothing", and that "Bill owes me big time". Bill was the owner...not
actually in the Ruling Class, but a multimillionaire, living the life
of the Ruling Class. My dad did his job, bidding successfully on
enough jobs that the shop was soon full to overflowing with work. My
dad was laid off and went to work for a competitor. The shop manager
was also laid off, even though he went to Bill and begged for his job.
He went home and closed his garage door, turned on his car, and
committed suicide. He died believing that he was a failure, leaving a
note to his wife and family saying how he had "let them down". He
never understood that he never was "successful" in the way he believed
himself to be. Yet he lived in a home and a neighborhood that my
parents could never afford. Even my ten acres with a 3,200 plus
square foot home does not come close to the luxury living this man
provided for himself and his family. He was paid well, but he was
used. And when his usefulness was at an end, he was kicked to the
curb, just as my dad was. But dad understood the game, and simply
offered his skills to another "pretender to the Rich" companies that
grasped for the business in the manner of Donald Trump, lying and
accusing one another. And who benefited from all the misery they
brought down on so many workers, laid off for doing their jobs so
well? The Ruling Class benefited...the Oligarchy...not our friend,
but our foe.
So, even though the shop foreman saw himself as "better" than my dad,
and he lived in a far fancier style, he still befriended my dad
because he gained an ear into what was going on within the offices
where he would not be allowed. And Bill, the owner, used my dad and
the shop foreman in order to assist in knowing when to make business
corrections in order to undercut his competition. Bill lived a life
style that put all others to shame. If wealth is your measure of
success, Bill was near the top of the pyramid. And yet, he was
working for those above him.
All the while we have our eye on the wrong brass ring. We must come
to understand that success is not how much money or property or even
how much power we have, individually. We must come to see managing
Earth and its resources as our measure of success. If that
means...and it does...seizing back the ill gotten gains of the Ruling
Classes around the Planet, so be it. Putting our best minds and our
great international wealth to work, we just might save ourselves. But
if we continue to allow the Ruling Classes to direct and manage us,
we'll be nothing more than a footnote in the history of the Universe.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/16/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is exactly right.
> Carl Jarvis
>
> On 7/16/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> The services for the blind were set up to help blind people in the total
>> population. The oligarchy have their own services. The police have always
>> existed to protect the oligarchy.
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 9:35 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy]
>> Re:
>> [blind-democracy] Eric Garner case finally heard — in a cops' court
>>
>> And therein lies the problem. These police officers are neighbors and
>> brothers and uncles and aunts. My son-in-law is a detective in the
>> Pierce
>> county Sheriff's Department. My uncle Bill worked for the FBI.
>> My former neighbor was a detective in the Seattle Police Force. And on
>> and
>> on. They are regular folks doing regular jobs, just as I worked for 17
>> years in the Department of Services for the Blind, doing government work.
>> Just as for the past 25 years Cathy and I have worked for the System,
>> providing services to older blind and low vision folks. None of us are
>> bad
>> people...well, most of us are not bad people, but we work for, and answer
>> to
>> the same Master, the Grand Old Oligarchy. The one that our Constitution
>> was
>> set in place to protect.
>> Somehow we need to stretch that Constitution so it covers All Americans,
>> not just the privileged.
>>
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> This is the NYPD that is in tight control. My son-in-law's father was
>>> a NYC police department detective. The woman who drove me around to do
>>> errands and shopping for 25 years had a husband who was an NYPD
>>> officer and her son joined the police department when he grew up. So I
>>> have difficulty just seeing what this particular police department
>>> does as an abstract concept of ruling class domination. This stuff is
>>> done by real people, possibly people I've known, or supported by those
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:16 PM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Eric Garner case
>>> finally heard — in a cops' court
>>>
>>> How many times and how many ways does the Great American White
>>> Oligarchy have to take in order to make clear that it is still in tight
>>> control?
>>> And why do underpaid, over worked police treat fellow Americans in
>>> ways which they would never allow their loved ones to be treated?
>>> The answer to that last question is simple. Security! Join the
>>> Powerful Oligarchy and you will be protected, so long as you follow
>>> orders and do the bidding of your Master.
>>> Can we all sing that refrain from the old Ernie Ford favorite, Sixteen
>>> Tons?
>>> "I owe my Soul to the company store!" Of course we can!
>>> Journalists write of their shock over Persons of Color and Women who
>>> climb aboard the Donald Trump Roller Coaster. But why should they not
>>> do so? The Democrats have not been able, or willing to provide
>>> protection.
>>> The weak protection offered by the Democratic Party is tantamount to
>>> fighting a Grizzly Bear with a Fishing pole.
>>> Which reminds me, on a personal note, we found Bear scat just outside
>>> our garage door yesterday morning. "Where's the Bear Spray?" I asked.
>>> "We have two cans," Cathy replied. "Whew! I should have one by the
>>> deck door", I insisted.
>>> "Ah, I think both cans are down at the barn."
>>> And in a way, that is the story of today's Democratic Party. The
>>> danger is right at our doorstep, but our defense is off watching over an
>>> empty barn.
>>>
>>> Carl Jarvis(and Smoky the Bear)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/15/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>>> https://socialistaction.org/2019/07/14/eric-garner-case-finally-heard
>>>> -
>>>> in-a-cops-court/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Garner case finally heard ??? in a cops??? court
>>>>
>>>> / 20 hours ago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> July 2019 Gwen Carr, (Marty)
>>>> Gwen Carr, Eric Garner???s mother. (Marty Goodman / Socialist Action)
>>>>
>>>> By MARTY GOODMAN
>>>>
>>>> ??? NEW YORK ??? The 2014 chokehold murder of Eric Garner, an unarmed
>>>> 43-year-old African American man, by a city cop, Daniel Pantaleo,
>>>> finally got its first public hearing in June???not in a court of law
>>>> but at an NYPD hearing!
>>>>
>>>> The charges against Pantaleo were brought by the semi-independent
>>>> Civilian Complaint Review Board (CCRB). The NYPD Deputy Commissioner
>>>> of Trials, Rosemarie Maldonado, has 90 days to decide whether to fire
>>>> Pantaleo, fine him or dismiss the charges. She cannot jail Pantaleo
>>>> since it is a non-criminal case. Maldonado???s decision???which does
>>>> not have to be released to the public!???will be read by Mayor de
>>>> Blasio???s top
>>>>
>>>> cop, James P. O???Neill, who will ultimately rule on Pantaleo.
>>>>
>>>> A possible Justice Department decision on civil rights violations
>>>> must be rendered before the fifth anniversary of Garner???s death on
>>>> July
>>>> 17.
>>>> It has been reported that the agency has reached a decision, to be
>>>> announced sometime in July.
>>>>
>>>> Not one of the half-dozen cops present at Garner???s murder in 2014
>>>> have served a single day in jail, despite hearing Garner cry out ???I
>>>> can???t breathe??? 11 times! The lethal chokehold used by Pantaleo
>>>> was banned by the NYPD in 1993, but was used with deadly effect on
>>>> Anthony Baez in
>>>> 1994 and on other victims of police brutality like Eric Garner.
>>>> Leaked documents show that citizen complaints against Pantaleo were
>>>> among the NYPD???s worst (see ThinkProgress.org, March 21, 2017).
>>>>
>>>> Pantaleo and his partner, Justin Damico, were told by commanding
>>>> officer, Lt. Christopher Bannon, to arrest Garner for selling
>>>> ???loosies,???
>>>>
>>>> or single cigarettes, a misdemeanor, at a storefront on Staten Island.
>>>> But, witnesses say, Garner had just broken up a fight when the cops
>>>> arrived. Upon learning of the death of Garner, Lt. Bannon texted with
>>>> racist indifference to arresting cops, ???Not a big deal.???
>>>>
>>>> Pantaleo???s lawyer, Stuart London, claimed his client was using an
>>>> approved ???seat-belt hold.??? However, Inspector Richard Dee, head
>>>> of training at the New York City Police Academy, testified that
>>>> Pantaleo???s action was ???the definition of a choke hold.???
>>>> Outrageously, London implied that Garner caused his own death by not
>>>> moving when ordered by police! An additional video showed that all of
>>>> the cops and an EMS crew left Garner lying on the ground for several
>>>> minutes without attempting resuscitation or using available oxygen.
>>>>
>>>> Anti-racist activists packed the courthouse and maintained a noisy
>>>> picket line outside the hearings in lower Manhattan where
>>>> well-attended press conferences were held. Speaking after the
>>>> concluding session on June 6, Gwen Carr, mother of Eric Garner, said
>>>> that the hearing sends ???a clear message that Black lives do not
>>>> matter.???
>>>>
>>>> Pantaleo is now on desk duty, with 35% more in earnings (N.Y. Daily
>>>> News). He was present in the courtroom but refused to testify and
>>>> thereby submit to cross-examination by CCRB attorney Suzanne O???Hare.
>>>> His lawyer, Stuart London, said Pantaleo would be ???reckless??? to
>>>> take the stand because the Justice Department is still investigating.
>>>>
>>>> After almost five years, President Barack Obama, New York Mayor Bill
>>>> de Blasio, and Donald Trump allowed Pantaleo to keep his job after
>>>> the entire world saw him choke Garner on a cell-phone video!
>>>>
>>>> In 2015, New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer issued a $5.9
>>>> million check to the Garner family, saying that the payout was ???in
>>>> the best interests of all parties.??? The police union denounced the
>>>> settlement.
>>>> The payment was made by the city without conceding liability, which
>>>> insulated New York???s power structure from a drawn-out court suit
>>>> that would further expose the racist NYPD and ???progressive??? Mayor
>>>> de Blasio???s cynical inaction on police violence.
>>>>
>>>> Phony ???socialist??? De Blasio campaigned for mayor on reforming
>>>> racist police practices, yet refused to fire Pantaleo, merely calling
>>>> Garner???s death a ???terrible tragedy??? for all concerned???despite
>>>> compelling video
>>>>
>>>> evidence!
>>>>
>>>> Ramsey Orta, the quick-thinking activist who vide-oed Pantaleo
>>>> choking Garner, was arrested three weeks later on weapons charges. He
>>>> was released on bail in April 2015 and rearrested in 2016 on drug and
>>>> weapons charges and sentenced to four years. Orta says that what
>>>> happened to him is retaliation for the video. Orta says he???s
>>>> endured harassment and beatings.
>>>>
>>>> Orta has been in solitary confinement at least four times. Orta???s
>>>> fianc??, Deja Richardson, told Socialist Action that he is currently
>>>> in solitary on a 90-day sentence. Orta was thrown back into solitary
>>>> following his testimony against Daniel Pantaleo via video from
>>>> Groveland Correctional facility in upstate New York. His release date
>>>> is December 2019. It remains an outrage that Ramsey Orta???a
>>>> hero???is the only person to be jailed in the Eric Garner case!
>>>>
>>>> (Letters of support for Ramsey Orta should be addressed to: Ramsey
>>>> Orta, Ramsey Orta 16A4200, Collins Correctional Facility, Middle Road
>>>> P.O. Box
>>>> 340 Collins N.Y. 14034. Your return address and Orta???s number are
>>>> critical since his prison changes. Send no cash. Prison authorities
>>>> will read all letters. Email: officialramseyorta@gmail.com or
>>>> deja.richardson.dr@gmail.com.)
>>>>
>>>> In December 2014, a closed-door grand jury on the Garner case was
>>>> held in the conservative stronghold of Staten Island and led by
>>>> Republican District Attorney, Dan Donovan. The grand jury decided on
>>>> Dec. 3 not to proceed to a trial, provoking large, militant protests
>>>> in New York City and across the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> Grand jury hearings are almost always prosecuted by white attorneys
>>>> who decide on the evidence and witnesses and are not subject to cross
>>>> examination. Politicians like Donovan depend on cops as witnesses in
>>>> other cases. If prosecutors are seen by racist police unions as
>>>> anti-cop, it could mean trouble prosecuting cases. The Garner grand
>>>> jury, its testimony sealed, was denounced as a sham, especially given
>>>> the video evidence.
>>>>
>>>> James Cohen, a law professor at Fordham University, said, ???There is
>>>> no question that a grand jury will do precisely what the prosecutor
>>>> wants, virtually 100% of the time.??? Whatever the outcome, we must
>>>> remain alert and ready to mobilize. Fire and jail Pantaleo! Jail
>>>> ???em all! Justice for Eric Garner!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Voltaire
>>>> ??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
>>>> atrocities. ???
>>>> ??? Voltaire,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>
My son-in-law sees his job with the Pierce County Sheriffs Department
in the same light as he sees my work with Older Blind and Low Vision
People. We are both serving the Public. He enforces the Law without
ever questioning whether the Law is protecting all the people equally.
He listens to my complaints regarding a program that is under funded
and over worked, and he tells me that it is the same in the Sheriff's
Department. And so it is with all my family, friends and associates.
We are all doing our jobs to the best of our abilities, and to the
limits of the rules that regulate our behavior. Most of us are
floundering around trying to make ends meet, and we never reach the
time, or have the luxury of time, to question why things work the way
they do.
And if I were to travel to Tacoma and protest the treatment of little
children in that inhuman Baby Jail, and if I were ordered to leave the
scene, and I refused, I can assure you that my son-in-law would
handcuff me and arrest me for breaking the law...even though he has
three little girls at home, and would never stand by and watch any of
them treated like the children locked up in the Baby Jail. And in all
of this, he never thinks that he is protecting a Class Division to
which he can never belong. He believes that as an Officer of the Law,
he is protecting America. And because I mostly like him, and he is a
good husband and loving father, even though he is programming his
daughters to be devout Christians, even though, at the very same time,
he is a lackey for the Oligarchy...the Ruling Class.
That is part of why I insist that we need to begin identifying America
as a Two Class System...the Ruling Class and the Working Class. While
my son-in-law is actually a member of the Working Class, he sees
himself as being above many of the people he deals with on a daily
basis. He has been taught to associate with the Ruling Classes needs
without understanding that if he failed to protect them, he would be
squashed like a bug. My doctor believes that he is "better off" than
most of his patients. He is opposed to Universal Health Care. He is
opposed because he has been conditioned to believe this, without
seeing that he is helping to create and protect a two-tiered System of
Health Care...that very limited and expensive care given to the
Masses, and the full coverage provided to the Ruling Class.
He does not see himself as being in the Working Class. His survival,
he believes, is dependent upon his compliance to the whims of the
Ruling Class, whether that is good or bad for most of his patients.
I could go on, but my point is that each of us justifies who we are,
and why we do and believe what we do, without thinking much about how
we came to do and believe what we do. A tenured professor believes he
is superior to the First Grade teacher because he has a PHD and she
has a mere teaching certificate. My local bank manager feels that she
is superior to her Tellers, because she has the power to fire them.
Until we can all see one another as supporters of the Ruling Class,
the American Oligarchy, and understand that regardless of how well or
how poorly we are "rewarded" for our contribution, it is ultimately
done to benefit that Ruling Class. Period.
One of the several companies my dad worked for was a huge building
materials manufacturer. The head of the Shop became good friends with
my dad. He constantly bragged about how he had "built that shop from
nothing", and that "Bill owes me big time". Bill was the owner...not
actually in the Ruling Class, but a multimillionaire, living the life
of the Ruling Class. My dad did his job, bidding successfully on
enough jobs that the shop was soon full to overflowing with work. My
dad was laid off and went to work for a competitor. The shop manager
was also laid off, even though he went to Bill and begged for his job.
He went home and closed his garage door, turned on his car, and
committed suicide. He died believing that he was a failure, leaving a
note to his wife and family saying how he had "let them down". He
never understood that he never was "successful" in the way he believed
himself to be. Yet he lived in a home and a neighborhood that my
parents could never afford. Even my ten acres with a 3,200 plus
square foot home does not come close to the luxury living this man
provided for himself and his family. He was paid well, but he was
used. And when his usefulness was at an end, he was kicked to the
curb, just as my dad was. But dad understood the game, and simply
offered his skills to another "pretender to the Rich" companies that
grasped for the business in the manner of Donald Trump, lying and
accusing one another. And who benefited from all the misery they
brought down on so many workers, laid off for doing their jobs so
well? The Ruling Class benefited...the Oligarchy...not our friend,
but our foe.
So, even though the shop foreman saw himself as "better" than my dad,
and he lived in a far fancier style, he still befriended my dad
because he gained an ear into what was going on within the offices
where he would not be allowed. And Bill, the owner, used my dad and
the shop foreman in order to assist in knowing when to make business
corrections in order to undercut his competition. Bill lived a life
style that put all others to shame. If wealth is your measure of
success, Bill was near the top of the pyramid. And yet, he was
working for those above him.
All the while we have our eye on the wrong brass ring. We must come
to understand that success is not how much money or property or even
how much power we have, individually. We must come to see managing
Earth and its resources as our measure of success. If that
means...and it does...seizing back the ill gotten gains of the Ruling
Classes around the Planet, so be it. Putting our best minds and our
great international wealth to work, we just might save ourselves. But
if we continue to allow the Ruling Classes to direct and manage us,
we'll be nothing more than a footnote in the history of the Universe.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/16/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is exactly right.
> Carl Jarvis
>
> On 7/16/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> The services for the blind were set up to help blind people in the total
>> population. The oligarchy have their own services. The police have always
>> existed to protect the oligarchy.
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 9:35 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy]
>> Re:
>> [blind-democracy] Eric Garner case finally heard — in a cops' court
>>
>> And therein lies the problem. These police officers are neighbors and
>> brothers and uncles and aunts. My son-in-law is a detective in the
>> Pierce
>> county Sheriff's Department. My uncle Bill worked for the FBI.
>> My former neighbor was a detective in the Seattle Police Force. And on
>> and
>> on. They are regular folks doing regular jobs, just as I worked for 17
>> years in the Department of Services for the Blind, doing government work.
>> Just as for the past 25 years Cathy and I have worked for the System,
>> providing services to older blind and low vision folks. None of us are
>> bad
>> people...well, most of us are not bad people, but we work for, and answer
>> to
>> the same Master, the Grand Old Oligarchy. The one that our Constitution
>> was
>> set in place to protect.
>> Somehow we need to stretch that Constitution so it covers All Americans,
>> not just the privileged.
>>
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> This is the NYPD that is in tight control. My son-in-law's father was
>>> a NYC police department detective. The woman who drove me around to do
>>> errands and shopping for 25 years had a husband who was an NYPD
>>> officer and her son joined the police department when he grew up. So I
>>> have difficulty just seeing what this particular police department
>>> does as an abstract concept of ruling class domination. This stuff is
>>> done by real people, possibly people I've known, or supported by those
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:16 PM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Eric Garner case
>>> finally heard — in a cops' court
>>>
>>> How many times and how many ways does the Great American White
>>> Oligarchy have to take in order to make clear that it is still in tight
>>> control?
>>> And why do underpaid, over worked police treat fellow Americans in
>>> ways which they would never allow their loved ones to be treated?
>>> The answer to that last question is simple. Security! Join the
>>> Powerful Oligarchy and you will be protected, so long as you follow
>>> orders and do the bidding of your Master.
>>> Can we all sing that refrain from the old Ernie Ford favorite, Sixteen
>>> Tons?
>>> "I owe my Soul to the company store!" Of course we can!
>>> Journalists write of their shock over Persons of Color and Women who
>>> climb aboard the Donald Trump Roller Coaster. But why should they not
>>> do so? The Democrats have not been able, or willing to provide
>>> protection.
>>> The weak protection offered by the Democratic Party is tantamount to
>>> fighting a Grizzly Bear with a Fishing pole.
>>> Which reminds me, on a personal note, we found Bear scat just outside
>>> our garage door yesterday morning. "Where's the Bear Spray?" I asked.
>>> "We have two cans," Cathy replied. "Whew! I should have one by the
>>> deck door", I insisted.
>>> "Ah, I think both cans are down at the barn."
>>> And in a way, that is the story of today's Democratic Party. The
>>> danger is right at our doorstep, but our defense is off watching over an
>>> empty barn.
>>>
>>> Carl Jarvis(and Smoky the Bear)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/15/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>>> https://socialistaction.org/2019/07/14/eric-garner-case-finally-heard
>>>> -
>>>> in-a-cops-court/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Garner case finally heard ??? in a cops??? court
>>>>
>>>> / 20 hours ago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> July 2019 Gwen Carr, (Marty)
>>>> Gwen Carr, Eric Garner???s mother. (Marty Goodman / Socialist Action)
>>>>
>>>> By MARTY GOODMAN
>>>>
>>>> ??? NEW YORK ??? The 2014 chokehold murder of Eric Garner, an unarmed
>>>> 43-year-old African American man, by a city cop, Daniel Pantaleo,
>>>> finally got its first public hearing in June???not in a court of law
>>>> but at an NYPD hearing!
>>>>
>>>> The charges against Pantaleo were brought by the semi-independent
>>>> Civilian Complaint Review Board (CCRB). The NYPD Deputy Commissioner
>>>> of Trials, Rosemarie Maldonado, has 90 days to decide whether to fire
>>>> Pantaleo, fine him or dismiss the charges. She cannot jail Pantaleo
>>>> since it is a non-criminal case. Maldonado???s decision???which does
>>>> not have to be released to the public!???will be read by Mayor de
>>>> Blasio???s top
>>>>
>>>> cop, James P. O???Neill, who will ultimately rule on Pantaleo.
>>>>
>>>> A possible Justice Department decision on civil rights violations
>>>> must be rendered before the fifth anniversary of Garner???s death on
>>>> July
>>>> 17.
>>>> It has been reported that the agency has reached a decision, to be
>>>> announced sometime in July.
>>>>
>>>> Not one of the half-dozen cops present at Garner???s murder in 2014
>>>> have served a single day in jail, despite hearing Garner cry out ???I
>>>> can???t breathe??? 11 times! The lethal chokehold used by Pantaleo
>>>> was banned by the NYPD in 1993, but was used with deadly effect on
>>>> Anthony Baez in
>>>> 1994 and on other victims of police brutality like Eric Garner.
>>>> Leaked documents show that citizen complaints against Pantaleo were
>>>> among the NYPD???s worst (see ThinkProgress.org, March 21, 2017).
>>>>
>>>> Pantaleo and his partner, Justin Damico, were told by commanding
>>>> officer, Lt. Christopher Bannon, to arrest Garner for selling
>>>> ???loosies,???
>>>>
>>>> or single cigarettes, a misdemeanor, at a storefront on Staten Island.
>>>> But, witnesses say, Garner had just broken up a fight when the cops
>>>> arrived. Upon learning of the death of Garner, Lt. Bannon texted with
>>>> racist indifference to arresting cops, ???Not a big deal.???
>>>>
>>>> Pantaleo???s lawyer, Stuart London, claimed his client was using an
>>>> approved ???seat-belt hold.??? However, Inspector Richard Dee, head
>>>> of training at the New York City Police Academy, testified that
>>>> Pantaleo???s action was ???the definition of a choke hold.???
>>>> Outrageously, London implied that Garner caused his own death by not
>>>> moving when ordered by police! An additional video showed that all of
>>>> the cops and an EMS crew left Garner lying on the ground for several
>>>> minutes without attempting resuscitation or using available oxygen.
>>>>
>>>> Anti-racist activists packed the courthouse and maintained a noisy
>>>> picket line outside the hearings in lower Manhattan where
>>>> well-attended press conferences were held. Speaking after the
>>>> concluding session on June 6, Gwen Carr, mother of Eric Garner, said
>>>> that the hearing sends ???a clear message that Black lives do not
>>>> matter.???
>>>>
>>>> Pantaleo is now on desk duty, with 35% more in earnings (N.Y. Daily
>>>> News). He was present in the courtroom but refused to testify and
>>>> thereby submit to cross-examination by CCRB attorney Suzanne O???Hare.
>>>> His lawyer, Stuart London, said Pantaleo would be ???reckless??? to
>>>> take the stand because the Justice Department is still investigating.
>>>>
>>>> After almost five years, President Barack Obama, New York Mayor Bill
>>>> de Blasio, and Donald Trump allowed Pantaleo to keep his job after
>>>> the entire world saw him choke Garner on a cell-phone video!
>>>>
>>>> In 2015, New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer issued a $5.9
>>>> million check to the Garner family, saying that the payout was ???in
>>>> the best interests of all parties.??? The police union denounced the
>>>> settlement.
>>>> The payment was made by the city without conceding liability, which
>>>> insulated New York???s power structure from a drawn-out court suit
>>>> that would further expose the racist NYPD and ???progressive??? Mayor
>>>> de Blasio???s cynical inaction on police violence.
>>>>
>>>> Phony ???socialist??? De Blasio campaigned for mayor on reforming
>>>> racist police practices, yet refused to fire Pantaleo, merely calling
>>>> Garner???s death a ???terrible tragedy??? for all concerned???despite
>>>> compelling video
>>>>
>>>> evidence!
>>>>
>>>> Ramsey Orta, the quick-thinking activist who vide-oed Pantaleo
>>>> choking Garner, was arrested three weeks later on weapons charges. He
>>>> was released on bail in April 2015 and rearrested in 2016 on drug and
>>>> weapons charges and sentenced to four years. Orta says that what
>>>> happened to him is retaliation for the video. Orta says he???s
>>>> endured harassment and beatings.
>>>>
>>>> Orta has been in solitary confinement at least four times. Orta???s
>>>> fianc??, Deja Richardson, told Socialist Action that he is currently
>>>> in solitary on a 90-day sentence. Orta was thrown back into solitary
>>>> following his testimony against Daniel Pantaleo via video from
>>>> Groveland Correctional facility in upstate New York. His release date
>>>> is December 2019. It remains an outrage that Ramsey Orta???a
>>>> hero???is the only person to be jailed in the Eric Garner case!
>>>>
>>>> (Letters of support for Ramsey Orta should be addressed to: Ramsey
>>>> Orta, Ramsey Orta 16A4200, Collins Correctional Facility, Middle Road
>>>> P.O. Box
>>>> 340 Collins N.Y. 14034. Your return address and Orta???s number are
>>>> critical since his prison changes. Send no cash. Prison authorities
>>>> will read all letters. Email: officialramseyorta@gmail.com or
>>>> deja.richardson.dr@gmail.com.)
>>>>
>>>> In December 2014, a closed-door grand jury on the Garner case was
>>>> held in the conservative stronghold of Staten Island and led by
>>>> Republican District Attorney, Dan Donovan. The grand jury decided on
>>>> Dec. 3 not to proceed to a trial, provoking large, militant protests
>>>> in New York City and across the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> Grand jury hearings are almost always prosecuted by white attorneys
>>>> who decide on the evidence and witnesses and are not subject to cross
>>>> examination. Politicians like Donovan depend on cops as witnesses in
>>>> other cases. If prosecutors are seen by racist police unions as
>>>> anti-cop, it could mean trouble prosecuting cases. The Garner grand
>>>> jury, its testimony sealed, was denounced as a sham, especially given
>>>> the video evidence.
>>>>
>>>> James Cohen, a law professor at Fordham University, said, ???There is
>>>> no question that a grand jury will do precisely what the prosecutor
>>>> wants, virtually 100% of the time.??? Whatever the outcome, we must
>>>> remain alert and ready to mobilize. Fire and jail Pantaleo! Jail
>>>> ???em all! Justice for Eric Garner!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> July 14, 2019 in Black Liberation, New York, Police & FBI.
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Monday, July 15, 2019
Re: [acb-chat] Fw: wrong issue - wrong diagnosis
Edwin Cooney hit this one out of the park.
While we're jumping around trying to decide if we will be putting up a
fence or a wall to keep Americans safe, the entire world is on the
move. Wars, famine and oppressive Tyrants...are there any other
kind?...contribute to mass migration. Building that wall is a bit
like Noah building a row boat while the animals are lining up, two by
two.
The threat to our America is the 7 billion people who could well be
starving to death in the next few decades. And us among them! We
have a much bigger problem to solve than how high or how long we
should be making our silly little wall.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/15/19, Andy Baracco via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edwin Cooney
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:46 PM
> Subject: wrong issue - wrong diagnosis
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> below is a very mild reaction to the current "immigration crisis." I feel
> much more outraged than these lines convey.
>
>
> Here's a hint. The Trumpian wing of the GOP has totally lost the right to
> call itself the party of Abraham Lincoln. As I see it, the GOP has lost all
> retentions of … never mind, this is a commentary governed by restraint!
>
>
> If you disagree with me, have at it. I don't write these musings with the
> expectation that everyone will agree with me.
>
>
> Thanks for your time and consideration!
>
>
> High Regards,
>
>
> Me, E.C.
>
>
> MONDAY, JULY 15TH, 2019
> WRONG ISSUE - WRONG DIAGNOSIS!
>
>
> I'm going to try reining in my indignation over this topic partly because up
> until a short time ago I had, much to my regret, been slow in realizing the
> full gravity of the issue. The topic is the immigration kerfuffle — and a
> kerfuffle (or fuss if you prefer) is exactly what it has become! Even worse,
> up to this point its real significance has been politicized to suit the
> fortunes of both liberal and conservative "would be" presidents and our
> incumbent president. What we need to do to really and truly get to the
> bottom of this issue is to develop a new paradigm or way of thinking to
> approach this grave matter. So, here it goes!
>
>
> For most Americans, the issue lately has become the "illegal" status of
> refugees attempting to cross the Mexican border to enter our country. As
> one of President Trump's supporters recently asked, "What part of illegal
> don't these leftist Liberals and Democrats understand?" The answer to that
> question is simple. There must always be a limitation to what is legal or
> illegal. Since the founding of our republic most Americans (with some very
> notable exceptions) have required our laws to provide "...justice to all."
> That's what we mean when we pledge allegiance to the flag. My counter
> question is, "what part of humaneness don't you understand?"
>
>
> Any historic review of our immigration policy largely reflects our national
> and international prejudices and needs which were mostly practical. With the
> exception of our unfortunate and disgraceful treatment and imprisonment of
> the Japanese people in the US who were rounded up during World War II, we
> don't officially worry much about the policies and politics of immigrants'
> native nations. Therein lies the real heart of our current immigration
> crisis.
>
>
> To me, the question isn't the legal or illegal status of Central American
> immigrants here in the United States. It is their status at home.
>
>
> Had President Trump recognized how badly the governments of Honduras,
> Guatemala, and El Salvador were mistreating or allowing their citizens to be
> mistreated, he could have alerted the Organization of American States as
> well as the United Nations. As I see it, humanity would have been forced to
> support his call for action against these governments. President Donald J.
> Trump could have been an international hero, a defender of human rights.
> There's much more that can be written on that aspect of the president's
> prerogatives, but there's a more compelling line of inquiry that must be
> taken. Here is a set of questions for you.
>
>
> How often do you find it convenient to move, even within your own hometown?
> When you make that decision, is it a casual decision even with all of the
> conveniences which would be available to you via well-financed and equipped
> American moving companies?
> How far do you like to walk when you move? Have you ever walked across a
> foreign country? How often do you walk even a city block during your move?
> What would compel you to subject your own children to such a venture? When
> you do decide to move, don't you expect to be accepted — if not warmly
> welcomed — by your new neighbors?
>
>
> Finally, how often have you had to move in terror? Is a status of civil
> legality really equivalent to the status of terror? How does our official
> lack of compassion toward immigrants square with our religious doctrines?
>
>
> It will be argued that our attitude toward "illegals" is consistent with our
> right to ensure our national security especially since 9/11.Unfortunately,
> that legitimate obligation is consistent with our historic "nativism" toward
> the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, the Japanese, and the Chinese, as well
> as with our almost ingrained anti-Catholic, Jewish, and Islamic prejudices.
>
>
> As I understand it, by the time you receive this column in your inbox, the
> federal government, under the direction of a "Conservative Republican"
> president, will have begun invading American cities and neighborhoods to
> remove and deport "undesirables" along with any criminals who may be
> present. Clearly the law in this instance draws no distinction between the
> good and the bad.
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that since 9/11 we've proven the truth of Franklin
> Delano Roosevelt's most famous observation which I hereby slightly alter:
>
>
> We've become a nation that has surrendered to "...fear itself!"
>
>
> RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
>
>
> EDWIN COONEY
>
>
> MONDAY, JULY 15TH, 2019
> WRONG ISSUE - WRONG DIAGNOSIS!
>
>
> I'm going to try reining in my indignation over this topic partly because up
> until a short time ago I had, much to my regret, been slow in realizing the
> full gravity of the issue. The topic is the immigration kerfuffle — and a
> kerfuffle (or fuss if you prefer) is exactly what it has become! Even worse,
> up to this point its real significance has been politicized to suit the
> fortunes of both liberal and conservative "would be" presidents and our
> incumbent president. What we need to do to really and truly get to the
> bottom of this issue is to develop a new paradigm or way of thinking to
> approach this grave matter. So, here it goes!
>
>
> For most Americans, the issue lately has become the "illegal" status of
> refugees attempting to cross the Mexican border to enter our country. As
> one of President Trump's supporters recently asked, "What part of illegal
> don't these leftist Liberals and Democrats understand?" The answer to that
> question is simple. There must always be a limitation to what is legal or
> illegal. Since the founding of our republic most Americans (with some very
> notable exceptions) have required our laws to provide "...justice to all."
> That's what we mean when we pledge allegiance to the flag. My counter
> question is, "what part of humaneness don't you understand?"
>
>
> Any historic review of our immigration policy largely reflects our national
> and international prejudices and needs which were mostly practical. With the
> exception of our unfortunate and disgraceful treatment and imprisonment of
> the Japanese people in the US who were rounded up during World War II, we
> don't officially worry much about the policies and politics of immigrants'
> native nations. Therein lies the real heart of our current immigration
> crisis.
>
>
> To me, the question isn't the legal or illegal status of Central American
> immigrants here in the United States. It is their status at home.
>
>
> Had President Trump recognized how badly the governments of Honduras,
> Guatemala, and El Salvador were mistreating or allowing their citizens to be
> mistreated, he could have alerted the Organization of American States as
> well as the United Nations. As I see it, humanity would have been forced to
> support his call for action against these governments. President Donald J.
> Trump could have been an international hero, a defender of human rights.
> There's much more that can be written on that aspect of the president's
> prerogatives, but there's a more compelling line of inquiry that must be
> taken. Here is a set of questions for you.
>
>
> How often do you find it convenient to move, even within your own hometown?
> When you make that decision, is it a casual decision even with all of the
> conveniences which would be available to you via well-financed and equipped
> American moving companies?
> How far do you like to walk when you move? Have you ever walked across a
> foreign country? How often do you walk even a city block during your move?
> What would compel you to subject your own children to such a venture? When
> you do decide to move, don't you expect to be accepted — if not warmly
> welcomed — by your new neighbors?
>
>
> Finally, how often have you had to move in terror? Is a status of civil
> legality really equivalent to the status of terror? How does our official
> lack of compassion toward immigrants square with our religious doctrines?
>
>
> It will be argued that our attitude toward "illegals" is consistent with our
> right to ensure our national security especially since 9/11.Unfortunately,
> that legitimate obligation is consistent with our historic "nativism" toward
> the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, the Japanese, and the Chinese, as well
> as with our almost ingrained anti-Catholic, Jewish, and Islamic prejudices.
>
>
> As I understand it, by the time you receive this column in your inbox, the
> federal government, under the direction of a "Conservative Republican"
> president, will have begun invading American cities and neighborhoods to
> remove and deport "undesirables" along with any criminals who may be
> present. Clearly the law in this instance draws no distinction between the
> good and the bad.
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that since 9/11 we've proven the truth of Franklin
> Delano Roosevelt's most famous observation which I hereby slightly alter:
>
>
> We've become a nation that has surrendered to "...fear itself!"
>
>
> RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
>
>
> EDWIN COONEY
>
>
While we're jumping around trying to decide if we will be putting up a
fence or a wall to keep Americans safe, the entire world is on the
move. Wars, famine and oppressive Tyrants...are there any other
kind?...contribute to mass migration. Building that wall is a bit
like Noah building a row boat while the animals are lining up, two by
two.
The threat to our America is the 7 billion people who could well be
starving to death in the next few decades. And us among them! We
have a much bigger problem to solve than how high or how long we
should be making our silly little wall.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/15/19, Andy Baracco via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edwin Cooney
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:46 PM
> Subject: wrong issue - wrong diagnosis
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> below is a very mild reaction to the current "immigration crisis." I feel
> much more outraged than these lines convey.
>
>
> Here's a hint. The Trumpian wing of the GOP has totally lost the right to
> call itself the party of Abraham Lincoln. As I see it, the GOP has lost all
> retentions of … never mind, this is a commentary governed by restraint!
>
>
> If you disagree with me, have at it. I don't write these musings with the
> expectation that everyone will agree with me.
>
>
> Thanks for your time and consideration!
>
>
> High Regards,
>
>
> Me, E.C.
>
>
> MONDAY, JULY 15TH, 2019
> WRONG ISSUE - WRONG DIAGNOSIS!
>
>
> I'm going to try reining in my indignation over this topic partly because up
> until a short time ago I had, much to my regret, been slow in realizing the
> full gravity of the issue. The topic is the immigration kerfuffle — and a
> kerfuffle (or fuss if you prefer) is exactly what it has become! Even worse,
> up to this point its real significance has been politicized to suit the
> fortunes of both liberal and conservative "would be" presidents and our
> incumbent president. What we need to do to really and truly get to the
> bottom of this issue is to develop a new paradigm or way of thinking to
> approach this grave matter. So, here it goes!
>
>
> For most Americans, the issue lately has become the "illegal" status of
> refugees attempting to cross the Mexican border to enter our country. As
> one of President Trump's supporters recently asked, "What part of illegal
> don't these leftist Liberals and Democrats understand?" The answer to that
> question is simple. There must always be a limitation to what is legal or
> illegal. Since the founding of our republic most Americans (with some very
> notable exceptions) have required our laws to provide "...justice to all."
> That's what we mean when we pledge allegiance to the flag. My counter
> question is, "what part of humaneness don't you understand?"
>
>
> Any historic review of our immigration policy largely reflects our national
> and international prejudices and needs which were mostly practical. With the
> exception of our unfortunate and disgraceful treatment and imprisonment of
> the Japanese people in the US who were rounded up during World War II, we
> don't officially worry much about the policies and politics of immigrants'
> native nations. Therein lies the real heart of our current immigration
> crisis.
>
>
> To me, the question isn't the legal or illegal status of Central American
> immigrants here in the United States. It is their status at home.
>
>
> Had President Trump recognized how badly the governments of Honduras,
> Guatemala, and El Salvador were mistreating or allowing their citizens to be
> mistreated, he could have alerted the Organization of American States as
> well as the United Nations. As I see it, humanity would have been forced to
> support his call for action against these governments. President Donald J.
> Trump could have been an international hero, a defender of human rights.
> There's much more that can be written on that aspect of the president's
> prerogatives, but there's a more compelling line of inquiry that must be
> taken. Here is a set of questions for you.
>
>
> How often do you find it convenient to move, even within your own hometown?
> When you make that decision, is it a casual decision even with all of the
> conveniences which would be available to you via well-financed and equipped
> American moving companies?
> How far do you like to walk when you move? Have you ever walked across a
> foreign country? How often do you walk even a city block during your move?
> What would compel you to subject your own children to such a venture? When
> you do decide to move, don't you expect to be accepted — if not warmly
> welcomed — by your new neighbors?
>
>
> Finally, how often have you had to move in terror? Is a status of civil
> legality really equivalent to the status of terror? How does our official
> lack of compassion toward immigrants square with our religious doctrines?
>
>
> It will be argued that our attitude toward "illegals" is consistent with our
> right to ensure our national security especially since 9/11.Unfortunately,
> that legitimate obligation is consistent with our historic "nativism" toward
> the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, the Japanese, and the Chinese, as well
> as with our almost ingrained anti-Catholic, Jewish, and Islamic prejudices.
>
>
> As I understand it, by the time you receive this column in your inbox, the
> federal government, under the direction of a "Conservative Republican"
> president, will have begun invading American cities and neighborhoods to
> remove and deport "undesirables" along with any criminals who may be
> present. Clearly the law in this instance draws no distinction between the
> good and the bad.
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that since 9/11 we've proven the truth of Franklin
> Delano Roosevelt's most famous observation which I hereby slightly alter:
>
>
> We've become a nation that has surrendered to "...fear itself!"
>
>
> RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
>
>
> EDWIN COONEY
>
>
> MONDAY, JULY 15TH, 2019
> WRONG ISSUE - WRONG DIAGNOSIS!
>
>
> I'm going to try reining in my indignation over this topic partly because up
> until a short time ago I had, much to my regret, been slow in realizing the
> full gravity of the issue. The topic is the immigration kerfuffle — and a
> kerfuffle (or fuss if you prefer) is exactly what it has become! Even worse,
> up to this point its real significance has been politicized to suit the
> fortunes of both liberal and conservative "would be" presidents and our
> incumbent president. What we need to do to really and truly get to the
> bottom of this issue is to develop a new paradigm or way of thinking to
> approach this grave matter. So, here it goes!
>
>
> For most Americans, the issue lately has become the "illegal" status of
> refugees attempting to cross the Mexican border to enter our country. As
> one of President Trump's supporters recently asked, "What part of illegal
> don't these leftist Liberals and Democrats understand?" The answer to that
> question is simple. There must always be a limitation to what is legal or
> illegal. Since the founding of our republic most Americans (with some very
> notable exceptions) have required our laws to provide "...justice to all."
> That's what we mean when we pledge allegiance to the flag. My counter
> question is, "what part of humaneness don't you understand?"
>
>
> Any historic review of our immigration policy largely reflects our national
> and international prejudices and needs which were mostly practical. With the
> exception of our unfortunate and disgraceful treatment and imprisonment of
> the Japanese people in the US who were rounded up during World War II, we
> don't officially worry much about the policies and politics of immigrants'
> native nations. Therein lies the real heart of our current immigration
> crisis.
>
>
> To me, the question isn't the legal or illegal status of Central American
> immigrants here in the United States. It is their status at home.
>
>
> Had President Trump recognized how badly the governments of Honduras,
> Guatemala, and El Salvador were mistreating or allowing their citizens to be
> mistreated, he could have alerted the Organization of American States as
> well as the United Nations. As I see it, humanity would have been forced to
> support his call for action against these governments. President Donald J.
> Trump could have been an international hero, a defender of human rights.
> There's much more that can be written on that aspect of the president's
> prerogatives, but there's a more compelling line of inquiry that must be
> taken. Here is a set of questions for you.
>
>
> How often do you find it convenient to move, even within your own hometown?
> When you make that decision, is it a casual decision even with all of the
> conveniences which would be available to you via well-financed and equipped
> American moving companies?
> How far do you like to walk when you move? Have you ever walked across a
> foreign country? How often do you walk even a city block during your move?
> What would compel you to subject your own children to such a venture? When
> you do decide to move, don't you expect to be accepted — if not warmly
> welcomed — by your new neighbors?
>
>
> Finally, how often have you had to move in terror? Is a status of civil
> legality really equivalent to the status of terror? How does our official
> lack of compassion toward immigrants square with our religious doctrines?
>
>
> It will be argued that our attitude toward "illegals" is consistent with our
> right to ensure our national security especially since 9/11.Unfortunately,
> that legitimate obligation is consistent with our historic "nativism" toward
> the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, the Japanese, and the Chinese, as well
> as with our almost ingrained anti-Catholic, Jewish, and Islamic prejudices.
>
>
> As I understand it, by the time you receive this column in your inbox, the
> federal government, under the direction of a "Conservative Republican"
> president, will have begun invading American cities and neighborhoods to
> remove and deport "undesirables" along with any criminals who may be
> present. Clearly the law in this instance draws no distinction between the
> good and the bad.
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that since 9/11 we've proven the truth of Franklin
> Delano Roosevelt's most famous observation which I hereby slightly alter:
>
>
> We've become a nation that has surrendered to "...fear itself!"
>
>
> RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
>
>
> EDWIN COONEY
>
>
Where will we choose to stand?
On 7/15/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com> wrote:
> How many times and how many ways does the Great American White
> Oligarchy have to take in order to make clear that it is still in
> tight control?
> And why do underpaid, over worked police treat fellow Americans in
> ways which they would never allow their loved ones to be treated?
> The answer to that last question is simple. Security! Join the
> Powerful Oligarchy and you will be protected, so long as you follow
> orders and do the bidding of your Master.
> Can we all sing that refrain from the old Ernie Ford favorite, Sixteen
> Tons? "I owe my Soul to the company store!" Of course we can!
> Journalists write of their shock over Persons of Color and Women who
> climb aboard the Donald Trump Roller Coaster. But why should they not
> do so? The Democrats have not been able, or willing to provide
> protection.
> The weak protection offered by the Democratic Party is tantamount to
> fighting a Grizzly Bear with a Fishing pole.
> Which reminds me, on a personal note, we found Bear scat just outside
> our garage door yesterday morning. "Where's the Bear Spray?" I asked.
> "We have two cans," Cathy replied. "Whew! I should have one by the
> deck door", I insisted.
> "Ah, I think both cans are down at the barn."
> And in a way, that is the story of today's Democratic Party. The
> danger is right at our doorstep, but our defense is off watching over
> an empty barn.
>
> Carl Jarvis(and Smoky the Bear)
>
> How many times and how many ways does the Great American White
> Oligarchy have to take in order to make clear that it is still in
> tight control?
> And why do underpaid, over worked police treat fellow Americans in
> ways which they would never allow their loved ones to be treated?
> The answer to that last question is simple. Security! Join the
> Powerful Oligarchy and you will be protected, so long as you follow
> orders and do the bidding of your Master.
> Can we all sing that refrain from the old Ernie Ford favorite, Sixteen
> Tons? "I owe my Soul to the company store!" Of course we can!
> Journalists write of their shock over Persons of Color and Women who
> climb aboard the Donald Trump Roller Coaster. But why should they not
> do so? The Democrats have not been able, or willing to provide
> protection.
> The weak protection offered by the Democratic Party is tantamount to
> fighting a Grizzly Bear with a Fishing pole.
> Which reminds me, on a personal note, we found Bear scat just outside
> our garage door yesterday morning. "Where's the Bear Spray?" I asked.
> "We have two cans," Cathy replied. "Whew! I should have one by the
> deck door", I insisted.
> "Ah, I think both cans are down at the barn."
> And in a way, that is the story of today's Democratic Party. The
> danger is right at our doorstep, but our defense is off watching over
> an empty barn.
>
> Carl Jarvis(and Smoky the Bear)
>
Sunday, July 14, 2019
are we victims or enablers?
Freedom Scientific is a fine example of the Capitalist approach to
developing a useful product. Capitalism begins with a beneficial
concept, like a screen reader for the blind; develops it, both through
innovative research and development, and through the pirating of
development being done elsewhere; risks capital investment of its own
money as well as the money of others; and finally markets a product
that quickly becomes the market standard.
But if that were as far as it went, we might say that Capitalism
really works for the good of All. But once Freedom Scientific had a
major market, it did not reduce its profit margin to a reasonable
level. It quickly moved from the "Beneficial Product" side, to the
"Exploitation" side, ending up
exploiting the very population it initially set out to benefit.
Capitalism is the handmaiden of Greed. When the bottom line is
Profit, just who do we think will pay the price? It is always those
who believed they would benefit.
Under Capitalism, the goal of a new corporation/company is to find or
develop an unmet need, fill it and then continue finding ways of
maintaining and expanding control of the product/service.
Freedom Scientific has developed a captive market, consisting of both
agencies and schools serving the blind, but a vast number of low
income blind people who struggle each year to afford the upgrades to
JAWS. While we who are being taken, cry out that it is
unconscionable, Freedom Scientific just smiles as it heads for the
bank. Freedom Scientific has so muddied the waters that it can't see
that it is no longer serving the needs of the blind, but is actually
exploiting them.
But we must not lose sight of why this happens. Freedom Scientific,
regardless of what they told us and themselves in the beginning, set
out to fill an unmet need for the purpose of making a profit. But
because they were looking to make a financial killing, they lost sight
of the part of their own propaganda that said they were meeting a
need.
Freedom Scientific, under Capitalism, is doing everything "by the
book". Look around you. Every successful company is using some
variation of the Freedom Scientific Method.
A prime example is the Oil Industry.
We can all look back to that first oil well and trace the growth of
the industry. It began by providing support to existing services.
Cheap heat, oil lanterns, use in lubricating equipment, and then
expanding to find other uses. Not only looking for other uses, but
growing strong enough to control the direction of our culture. We had
to have private transportation, we needed to have faster airplanes to
get to where we were going, sooner. We "found" new and wonderful uses
for this slimy, slick, smelly product. "Black Gold", it became known
as. But "Black Death" is a more realistic name.
We can lay our human troubles at the feet of Capitalism, but as long
as we do nothing to seize control, we become more than mere victims,
we are enablers.
By the way, I quit upgrading to JAWS nearly two years ago. I have
NVDA on my laptop, and it seems to be working as well as JAWS. A warm
"thank you" to the NVDA developers. They are a silver lining on an
otherwise Black Capitalist Cloud.
Carl Jarvis(still looking for a pot of kindness at the end of the rainbow)
developing a useful product. Capitalism begins with a beneficial
concept, like a screen reader for the blind; develops it, both through
innovative research and development, and through the pirating of
development being done elsewhere; risks capital investment of its own
money as well as the money of others; and finally markets a product
that quickly becomes the market standard.
But if that were as far as it went, we might say that Capitalism
really works for the good of All. But once Freedom Scientific had a
major market, it did not reduce its profit margin to a reasonable
level. It quickly moved from the "Beneficial Product" side, to the
"Exploitation" side, ending up
exploiting the very population it initially set out to benefit.
Capitalism is the handmaiden of Greed. When the bottom line is
Profit, just who do we think will pay the price? It is always those
who believed they would benefit.
Under Capitalism, the goal of a new corporation/company is to find or
develop an unmet need, fill it and then continue finding ways of
maintaining and expanding control of the product/service.
Freedom Scientific has developed a captive market, consisting of both
agencies and schools serving the blind, but a vast number of low
income blind people who struggle each year to afford the upgrades to
JAWS. While we who are being taken, cry out that it is
unconscionable, Freedom Scientific just smiles as it heads for the
bank. Freedom Scientific has so muddied the waters that it can't see
that it is no longer serving the needs of the blind, but is actually
exploiting them.
But we must not lose sight of why this happens. Freedom Scientific,
regardless of what they told us and themselves in the beginning, set
out to fill an unmet need for the purpose of making a profit. But
because they were looking to make a financial killing, they lost sight
of the part of their own propaganda that said they were meeting a
need.
Freedom Scientific, under Capitalism, is doing everything "by the
book". Look around you. Every successful company is using some
variation of the Freedom Scientific Method.
A prime example is the Oil Industry.
We can all look back to that first oil well and trace the growth of
the industry. It began by providing support to existing services.
Cheap heat, oil lanterns, use in lubricating equipment, and then
expanding to find other uses. Not only looking for other uses, but
growing strong enough to control the direction of our culture. We had
to have private transportation, we needed to have faster airplanes to
get to where we were going, sooner. We "found" new and wonderful uses
for this slimy, slick, smelly product. "Black Gold", it became known
as. But "Black Death" is a more realistic name.
We can lay our human troubles at the feet of Capitalism, but as long
as we do nothing to seize control, we become more than mere victims,
we are enablers.
By the way, I quit upgrading to JAWS nearly two years ago. I have
NVDA on my laptop, and it seems to be working as well as JAWS. A warm
"thank you" to the NVDA developers. They are a silver lining on an
otherwise Black Capitalist Cloud.
Carl Jarvis(still looking for a pot of kindness at the end of the rainbow)
Monday, July 8, 2019
Monday Morning Mental Musings
Good Monday morning, Miriam and All Brave Souls who dare to face
another week with Uncle Don and his motley gang of Womanizers.
Miriam, you are quite correct in the widespread anger and outright
hatred for Jews, the world around and for many centuries.
My history books are full of Jewish persecution, targeting of entire
communities, and driving all Jews out of one nation after another.
But I was talking about the United States of America, a nation
supposedly settled by persecuted religious groups. But as memory
recalls, this New World, Land of Opportunity to the Down Trodden, did
not include invitations to Catholics or Jews.
But of course, our Fore Fathers began building a Mythical Land, a Land
of Opportunity, where any Man who worked hard and saved his money
could rise from rags to riches...just so long as he was White, and not
Catholic or Jewish.
Of course without saying, this Land of the Free and Home of the Brave
did not even consider what we called Darkies, or Redskins, or Chinks,
or Japs, or Wet Backs and Spics, or Wops, or Micks, or Pollock's and
Krauts, not to mention such enduring terms like Slant Eyes, Mulattoes,
and Half-breeds, only to scratch the surface of the long list of
putdowns White Oligarchs labelled those whom they held in contempt.
When I was a boy, back in the 40's and 50's, Seattle was made up of
many communities. We lived on Queen Anne Hill with the up and coming
Junior Execs. I called our house "the Ghetto" because it was a basic
shack of a box. In 1949 we moved to a "real house" in Snoose
Junction, where families of Scandinavians gathered together, mostly
fishermen and laborers. Being fair skinned, blond and blue eyed, I
passed as one of "them". Then there was Garlic Gulch, Rainier Valley
and Renton, Land of Italian truck farmers and coal miners, along with
a scattering of Japanese and Filipino truck farmers. Just to the
South and a bit East of Down Town was China Town(now called the
International District". Almost entirely occupied by Chinese
Americans, but with a scattering of many other Asians. We referred to
them all as "Orientals".
Negros were bunched together on the backside of Capital Hill East of
Down Town, and contained there through the practice of "Red Lining",
until they finally became so numerous that they began spilling South
into Rainier Valley, into the open arms of Slum Lords.
And of course there were all of the little clusters of the Invisible
People, those folks we never saw, or did not even know existed. The
very old and infirm, the Blind, the Lame War Veterans, and those whom
we gave names to, like crips, hunchbacks, Spazes, Idiots, Deaf and
Dumb, , and on and on.
I recall walking the streets of Down Town Seattle, block after block
without ever seeing a "colored face". I remember somewhere in the
late 40's or early 50's waiting for a bus in down town. The bus
pulled up and the door creaked open exposing a smiling Black Man! I
look back and wonder if he was grinning because he was a friendly guy,
or if he was reacting to my very obvious shock of seeing a Black bus
driver. I had the same transparent expression the first time I came
face to face with a Woman Bus Driver. And the first time I saw a
Black man walking arm in arm with a White Woman, I stared open
mouthed.
And all the time I would have told you that I was not prejudiced.
Coming to grips with that deep, buried prejudice took years to
resolve. And the last prejudice I had to deal with was in another
outcast population. Gays. Without being able to explain where such
prejudice snuck into my brain, I was programmed to give instant angry
outbursts whenever I came face to face with anyone who was Gay, male
or female...we didn't know about transgender, transvestites, etc.
But there we were, bragging in our ignorant ways, about how free we
Americans were, and how we were spreading Peace and democracy around
the world. And our wonderful Propaganda Machine spread lies so thick
and plentiful that they covered the few warnings of their own deceit.
Even though there were warnings, The Silent Spring, The Ugly American,
For Two Cents Plain, and so many other warnings confined to paperback
production and mostly invisible to the average white American.
But the last Invisible People I want to mention are the American
Oligarchy. The descendants of our White Landed Gentry, the men who
stood up for Freedom from Oppression, while refusing to include their
woman folk or their Slaves. The nation was built upon Lies! As
advanced a document as our constitution is, it covers the real America
with promises unfulfilled and untruths about who we really are. And
hiding behind the face of, "The Folks Next Door", the Oligarchy is
invisible. But never believe for a single moment that it is not still
in control. Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> Carl,
>
> It isn't just privileged white Christians who have hated Jews. There's a
> very long history of antisemitism which includes peasants in eastern Europe
> and Russia, along with working class Irish and Italian kids in New York
> City, as well as the head of the US Immigration Service in the late 30's and
> early 40's who wouldn't allow Jews to emigrate here. There were the medical
> schools with quotas, allowing only a limited number of Jewish applicants,
> the fraternities and sororities which did not allow Jewish students to join.
> There were the country clubs and the small hotels and guest houses in New
> England where we never attempted to stop on our trips back from Canada.
> There were the public schools with their Christian hymns and opening prayers
> at the beginning of Assembly each week. There was the Inquisition, the
> mandatory conversion of Jews to Christianity in Spain. There's America which
> theoretically has separation between church and state where Christmas and
> Easter are national holidays and there is a Christmas tree lighting ceremony
> at the White House each year. In Westbury, the Village had a display at the
> Village Hall of the scene at Christ's birth and when one of our prominent
> residents who was Jewish, finally wrote a letter of objection to our
> newspaper, all hell broke loose. How dare she question such a sacred
> tradition! It was Russian peasants who participated in pogroms, and it was
> the white working class and middle class who marched in Charlottesville
> chanting, "Jews will not replace us". You can say that all of this was
> stirred up by wealthy people. But I say that it's been part of European and
> American culture for centuries.
>
> Miriam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:57 PM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: AddendumF Re: my random thoughts versus
> yours
>
> Actually Miriam, what I believe is that there is an undercurrent of hatred
> and mistrust toward Jews, by the Privileged White Racists, and of their
> sycophants, At times the window dressing is different, and often it is
> deliberately misleading. but it seems to me that so many times, those in
> power use suspicion and hatred as tools in managing the people beneath them.
> Jews have been a favorite target since Adam and Eve were kicked out of the
> Garden of Eden, setting the tone for the treatment of Jews down through the
> centuries.
> Some years ago a Seattle attorney whose last name was Goldmark, was murdered
> along with his wife and two children. The murderer was apprehended and
> confessed that he hated Jews. The Goldmarks were not Jews.
> I have tons to say on the subject, mostly conjecture on my part, but I am
> about to have an early supper and listen to a murder novel to relax my
> mind(grin).
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
> On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Mustafa,
>>
>> I'm going to try to answer you, one point at a time.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 3:03 PM
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: AddendumF Re: my random thoughts versus
>> yours
>>
>> Miriam, your approach seems to be honest and rather intriguing. I
>> actually am interested to learn more about your experience. How has this
>> started?
>> What made you believe in the statehood of Israel and what was the
>> shifting point that led you to dispose of it?
>> I was about ten years old when Israel was created. Everyone in my
>> family believed that having a Jewish State was a wonderful thing
>> because Jews had been hated and discriminated against for so long and
>> because 6 million Jews were exterminated in Nazi death camps. Everyone
>> believed that we needed a place to which to escape, the next time
>> another country began doing what the Nazis had done. The people in my
>> family believed the Zionist propaganda which stated that the
>> Palestinians were all uneducated Nomads. They never called them
>> Palestinians. They called them, "Arabs". They thought that they could
>> easily live in the surrounding Arab countries. I was just a child. I
>> absorbed all of that. But I grew up. I went to college and graduate
>> school.
>> I read a lot. I am an independent thinker. And I have always been
>> concerned about groups of people who are mistreated like African
>> Americans and Native Americans, and poor people.
>> I tend to question everything. I never practiced the Jewish religion,
>> but I absorbed the values and tradition. Here in the US, Jewish people
>> have always been involved in social justice movements. They were
>> active in the labor movement and in the civil rights movement. They
>> ran excellent social welfare agencies. I've always identified with that
>> part of Jewish tradition.
>> In my work, I met people who had lived in Israel and who had visited
>> Israel, and they described it to me. That was in the 1980's. I
>> realized that Israel was very different from the way it had been
>> described by the media and in the books I read. And then there was
>> that massacre of Palestinians in a refugee camp in 1982 in which the
>> Israelis were involved. One of my clients had lived in Israel for a
>> time and she also wrote a novel about it. I realized, from talking to
>> her and reading her book, that the Palestinians who were Israeli citizens,
>> did not have equal rights with Jewish Israelis.
>> In the 1990's, I thought that the two state solution might be the
>> right idea. But in the mid 1990's, I got a computer and that allowed
>> me to read a lot more. After the US attacked Iraq in 2003, I began to
>> see that the people in the US government who supported Israel, were
>> supporting much of what the US was doing in the Middle East and all of
>> it was wrong. And then I read a book by an Israeli historian called
>> The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. I watched what Israel did to Gaza
>> at the end of 2008. I joined an Israeli email list which was opposed
>> to Israeli policy. My whole view of Israel and Palestine had changed by
>> 2008.
>>
>> It isn't something typical for someone from Jewish background who
>> lives in America to dissent with Israel and its brutal practices in
>> Palestine.
>>
>> Among American Jews, there are a variety of opinions. Probably, a
>> majority of older people still support Israel, but not all of them do.
>> After all, I'm going to be 82 years old, and I do not. Among the
>> younger Jews, a large number have begun to question Jewish support of
>> Israel. There are several very active anti Zionist Jewish groups in
>> the US and Canada. The young people are reacting to the crimes that Israel
>> is committing.
>>
>>
>> Do you think that the Nazi persecution in Europe was the key factor by
>> which Jews have been urged to seek a new land?
>>
>> Yes, that was the impetus. But in the late nineteenth century, Jews
>> also emigrated to Palestine because of European antisemitism. Most of
>> them were secular Jews, but they chose Palestine because of the fact
>> that Jews came from there originally.
>>
>> And, to the settlers in the occupied West Bank, what have made them
>> able to remain in perhaps the most litigious region on earth
>>
>> I can't explain these people. They are very religious and very assertive.
>> Many of them came from Russia where they had very little and felt
>> unwanted, so now that they emigrated to Israel, they want to assert
>> Israeli rights over the land. It makes them feel important. The more
>> educated Jews of European background, tend to live in Israel , not the
>> West Bank, and they have favored status. They are the elite, and
>> therefore, they don't have a need to bully people openly.
>>
>> ? Carl, your experience back then has given me an idea how Jews were
>> maltreated. Is that why their star is so high now in America? Do
>> European Christians feel somewhat guilty toward Jews that they react
>> tolerantly toward their enormous atrocities perpetrated in Palestine?
>> I am attempting to fathom and somehow connect the puzzle. How in the
>> past, Christians used to despise and persecute Jews and as of right
>> now, they're their closest ally. How has this unfolded? They chased
>> them in Europe and then, helped them establish a homeland in
>> Palestine. What has changed after the second world war? I hope I could
>> discern.
>>
>> I'm not Carl, but I'll answer. It is Evangelical Christians who are
>> strongly supporting Israel. But not because they have suddenly valued
>> Jews. Israel fits into their fantasy of "The End Times". They need
>> Issrael to exist in order for the chosen to rise to heaven. The Jews
>> will be discarded, along with everyone else who isn't "saved".
>>
>>
>> Following up your last point, how could the two states solution be
>> applied?
>> And about those were born there, they knew they reside in an occupied
>> territory, even if they attempt to justify and even legitimise their
>> colonisation.
>>
>> On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mustafa,
>>>
>>> There's one point that you made, with which I don't agree. You said
>>> that all of the Jews living in Israel should return to the countries
>>> from which they came. But the fact is that most of the people who
>>> live in Israel, were born there or have made it their permanent home.
>>> They don't have homes to which to return. I think that we have to
>>> accept that Israel exists. But what should happen, is that it should
>>> be changed. It should no longer be a Jewish State. It should be
>>> Israel/Palestine, a democratic country with no walls, no barriers,
>>> and where everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian, member of any other
>>> religion, and non believer, should be equal with an equal vote. The
>>> government should not be aligned with any particular religion. All of
>>> the Palestinians, living in the diaspora, should be allowed to
>>> return, if they wish to.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 1:15 PM
>>> To: 'blind-democracy@freelists.org' <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>
>>> Mustafa,
>>>
>>> I agree with what you say about Israel. And there are many Jews who
>>> also agree with you. And no, I have no relatives living in Israel.
>>> But I want to explain to you that it took me many years to understand
>>> the truth about Israel. And learning the truth and changing what I
>>> believed and what I had thought to be true, was a very painful
>>> process. Jews were traumatized by what happened to Jews in Europe
>>> during the second world war. And they were lied to by the media and
>>> by their governments, about Israel. Additionally, it wasn't until
>>> recently that we have all learned the truth about the Zionist project
>>> to take over all of Palestine. That project existed since the early
>>> 1930's, but it was kept a secret. So what I'm saying is that Jewish
>>> people were manipulated, as were Americans, who were taught that
>>> Israel is a democratic country and an ally whom they should support.
>>> That lie has torn the Middle East apart and it has turned America
>>> into an autocracy with a democratic façade. But then, most
>>> governments lie to their people, manipulate them, and use them in
>>> order to gain power in relation to other countries.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:55 AM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>
>>> Well Miriam, I think many Jews around the world have been trapped
>>> into the deceitful notion, that Israel is presumptively the ideal
>>> solution for mass Jewish persecution. I watched various television
>>> series, featuring tales about Egyptian Jews whom had been beguiled to
>>> immigrate to Israel. Laila Mourad is a popularly distinct Egyptian
>>> vocalist and actress from Jewish background. Many including myself
>>> still love her songs and movies. I want to ask you, do you have
>>> relatives who live in Israel? If so, what's their experience? Have
>>> you ever considered settling their yourself? In my opinion, the
>>> problem of Israel, beyond territory occupation, is the fact that each
>>> and everyone therein is forcefully a soldier in the army.
>>> Furthermore, they constantly build walls, establish settlements while
>>> backed by the US. They do so because they knew they hooked this land.
>>> Thence, they are somewhat coerced to pestilently confront their victim
>>> everyday.
>>> Furthermore, I noticed the construction of the separation wall or
>>> barrier into the West Bank has substantially been accelerated. So, I
>>> believe that the major crisis has been evidently misidentified. The
>>> two states solution isn't practical at all. Jews ought to redress the
>>> situation and consistently retrovert to where they were originally
>>> from. Otherwise, the conflict shall remain, probably will heighten
>>> and it won't ever be solved. The idea of Israel has instigated Arabs
>>> to react vindictively. Jews are despised for viciously playing the
>>> victim role while they relentlessly sabotage and subjugate innocently
>>> civilian Palestinians periodically. Peace talks aren't expected to be
>>> of any significance if they're conducted unilaterally. In addition,
>>> Antisemitism verboten has to be utterly revoked. People must be able
>>> to freely criticise what Israel does without being threatened of
>>> losing their job or getting their reputation dreadfully ruined.
>>> That's why, the New York Times has been scandalously coerced to
>>> submissively apologise for portraying a political satire.
>>> Nonetheless, when a Danish magazine drew an offensive caricature of
>>> prophet Muhammad, it hasn't been compeled to apologise nor even
>>> demanded to. The subject is essentially complected. For sure, Jews
>>> are two holy to be criticised in the west, that's a fact. At the same
>>> time, we aren't suppose to biasedly generalise. I'd hope that Jews
>>> recognise what the problem really is and attempt to solve it themselves.
>>> Even those who may not necessarily agree with what Israel does,
>>> aren't enacting their proposition properly or proceeding it gradually
>>> into the legal arena.
>>> For the United States, Israel is quite sanctimonious. How many time
>>> Israeli war criminals who intently perpetrated white phosphorus
>>> against innocent civilians of Gaza have been brought to justice? How
>>> many time the US sternly vetoed a resolution issued by the UN that is
>>> destined to push peace process forward for the sake of Israel? How
>>> many time Israel's secret nuclear arsenal has been probed nor even
>>> oppugned? The west and the States in particular must develop the
>>> motivating factor by which they could devotedly interrogate about
>>> what Israel does on that regard. If the States truly cares about
>>> establishing genuine peace in the Middle East, it must quit arming
>>> Israel and start negotiating the proposed departure deal. What a
>>> Jewish of Russian background has got to do with Palestine? I think
>>> what I say makes sense, quite so far. Your opinion Miriam?
>>>
>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> Mustafa,
>>>>
>>>> Most people of my generation and previous generation who come from
>>>> Jewish backgrounds, experienced antisemitism at some time in their
>>>> lives. That is the reason that so many of us supported the creation
>>>> of the State of Israel.
>>>> Because of centuries of antisemitism and then the Nazis' persecution
>>>> of the Jews, they thought that a country, dedicated to Jewish
>>>> people, would protect them in the future. Not all Jews felt that
>>>> way, but after the second world war, many did. And we were kept
>>>> ignorant of all the details of what was done in order to create
>>>> Israel. American Jews, at least most of them, believed that by now,
>>>> at least in the US, anti-semitism had disappeared. But after the
>>>> election of Donald Trump to the Presidency, anti-semitism, which has
>>>> been pretty much hidden for decades here, is now apparent again.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't think about it as religious discrimination. What I think
>>>> is that when people, any people, have been taught that their race or
>>>> their religion or their country is superior to everyone else's,
>>>> there's always a potential for them to turn on other people who are
>>>> different from them. If they are feeling frightened about their own
>>>> security, it's very easy for people in leadership positions to turn
>>>> them against other people.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 1:40 PM
>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>>
>>>> Miriam, it's so sad that you were disallowed from entering some
>>>> places for your religious background.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> Weather? When I was young, in New York, June was sunny and warm.
>>>>> July was sunny and hot. August was muggy, sometimes rainy,
>>>>> sometimes sunny, until the end when we would have one or two cooler
>>>>> sunny days to remind us that autumn was on the way. It has been hot
>>>>> and muggy for days now. We've had some rain and some thunder. Back
>>>>> in the old days, thunder storms were reserved for the end of July and
>>>>> August.
>>>>> Today is cloudy, hot and muggy, with rainstorms forecast for the
>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Car trips. We were working class city people with no real need for
>>>>> a car because New York City had good, inexpensive, public
>>>>> transportation. But when I was nine or ten years old, my father
>>>>> bought a car. The first one was a Chevrolet. The color was crystal
>>>>> green and my very fashion conscious mother just loved that color.
>>>>> Each summer, we would travel by car to Montreal to visit my
>>>>> father's family. It would be a slow, rambling trip up through New
>>>>> York State with stops at various tourist attractions like Niagara
>>>>> Falls, and back home through New England. There was a wonderful
>>>>> restaurant called, The Springs, somewhere in Massachusetts, that we
>>>>> stumbled on one year and where we made sure to return each year.
>>>>> Two of my father's brothers had also emigrated from Canada to the
>>>>> US and one year, one of them, with his wife and son, traveled back
>>>>> to Montreal with us. No rambling that time, just one or two very
>>>>> long days of riding in a car. But that was the year, I think, that
>>>>> after we visited the family in Montreal, we traveled to the
>>>>> Mountains in Quebec Province for vacation. But we couldn't find a
>>>>> hotel because no one would allow Jews. One place said we could stay
>>>>> in a cabin, but we weren't allowed in the dining room.
>>>>> So we kept riding. And then we saw a beautiful hotel on an island
>>>>> in the middle of a lake. We were sure that since it looked so
>>>>> fancy, we would surely be excluded from there too, but we thought
>>>>> we'd try anyway.
>>>>> Luckily, the owner was Jewish. We were allowed in and absolutely
>>>>> loved our stay there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:49 AM
>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Miriam...and anyone else still recovering from the Fourth of July.
>>>>> Rereading is probably more related to temperate, as you say,
>>>>> rather than age related. But I wonder how it is that you continue
>>>>> to read...or at least skim my posts, since redundancy is my middle
>>>>> name.
>>>>> I always figured that I just had a limited vocabulary. Not like
>>>>> our friend in Egypt!
>>>>> It's Saturday, July Sixth, and it's raining. All night it rained.
>>>>> 20%, the weather person said. Well Mister/Missus Weather person,
>>>>> we got 20% five times! It reminds me of the many times we put the
>>>>> four man surplus Army tent in the trunk of our old Hudson, called
>>>>> the Family Bus, and tossed in some food and sleeping bedding, and
>>>>> headed out on a sort of sunny July Fourth, looking to commune with
>>>>> Nature.
>>>>> Sometimes we drove down the Coast into Oregon and sometimes we
>>>>> headed up toward Bellingham. I liked it best when we turned the
>>>>> Family Bus toward the East, and wound up at grandma and grandpa's
>>>>> farm in the Spokane Valley. No sleeping on lumpy rocks at
>>>>> grandma's. Sure, the beds were old and lumpy and sagged to the
>>>>> middle, but it was dry and hot and beat the rain that was falling
>>>>> on the Coast.
>>>>> It seemed to always rain over Fourth of July weekend. Come to
>>>>> think of it, it always seemed to rain on Memorial Day weekend...and
>>>>> Labor Day weekend, too. And it was always a fine, soaking rain.
>>>>> Mother called it, "Oregon Mist". Then she would add, "It mist
>>>>> Oregon and hit Washington".
>>>>> Something I learned early on...well, a couple of things, was that
>>>>> Four Man Army Surplus Tents are made to accommodate three
>>>>> undersized soldiers. We had two fairly large adults and three
>>>>> varying sizes of children. Crowded was a bad joke. It was
>>>>> impossible to crawl out over sleeping bodies if you had to go out
>>>>> in the middle of the night...and there was only one compelling
>>>>> reason anyone in their right mind would crawl out of the safety of
>>>>> that four man tent, into the wet, clammy, very dark night. And the
>>>>> other important thing I learned about canvas tents and rain, Do Not
>>>>> Touch the Canvas when it is raining. Mother and Dad told us this
>>>>> warning every time we headed out...in the rain. You would think
>>>>> that the first time we disobeyed them, we would never touch the
>>>>> tent's canvas roof. As soon as a stray finger explored the tents
>>>>> surface, a drop of water would form.
>>>>> And there was no way to put it back. It would draw more water into
>>>>> itself and then drop...splat!
>>>>> And another drop would form...
>>>>> This foolishness always happened, but always over my sisters or
>>>>> myself.
>>>>> Never, ever did anyone touch the tent above our parents.
>>>>> They slept warm and dry while us three kids wiggled and squirmed
>>>>> while trying to avoid the drips.
>>>>> One time we found a beautiful valley in Western Oregon, accessible
>>>>> only by a couple of ruts that went straight down the edge of a high
>>>>> rock wall and a steep drop off on the other side. We pitched...or
>>>>> actually we struggled the tent into an upright position and then
>>>>> began slapping our arms and necks.
>>>>> We saw no mosquitoes, but little welts began rising up on our
>>>>> exposed skin.
>>>>> "No See ums'!" my dad announced.
>>>>> "You can't see them because all there is to them are teeth with
>>>>> wings".
>>>>> After we tired of slapping, we hauled down the tent and crawled
>>>>> back up that rutty road with the windows all rolled up. That was
>>>>> another joy in summer camping trips. Old 1938 Hudson's were roomy,
>>>>> but air conditioning was available only by cranking down the
>>>>> windows. One trip through Roseburg, Oregon it was 105 degrees,
>>>>> with that hot sun beating down on an all metal car. That trip we
>>>>> had five adults and Mimi, our small family dog of many breeds.
>>>>> Poor Mimi, she hated long trips, but had to go because she had
>>>>> bonded with Mother. She always threw up within the first hour.
>>>>> Then she was fine for the rest of the outing, no matter how many
>>>>> days we were gone.
>>>>> That is when Mimi became "Our dog", meaning my sister's and mine.
>>>>> We got to clean the pukey newspaper out of her box and toss the
>>>>> stinking mess into a waste barrel when we stopped for gas...or had
>>>>> to put water in our boiling radiator...or add air to our soft tires.
>>>>> You would think that such memories would guarantee that I would
>>>>> live deep in the heart of a large city. But something about
>>>>> heading into the unknown moved my heart and Soul...and moved us
>>>>> finally to our ten acre horse farm in the wilds of the Great
>>>>> Olympic Peninsula...where I've never met a tree I didn't like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Carl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a lot of young people who read books over and over again.
>>>>>> It has nothing to do with age. I know because of what people write
>>>>>> on the DB Review list. And when I listen to these podcasts, I'm
>>>>>> hearing the same subjects discussed repeatedly, but sometimes with
>>>>>> new facts thrown into the mix. I just don't like hearing the same
>>>>>> words repeated. I guess it's temperament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miriam,
>>>>>> It's one of those subtle signs that I'm getting long in the tooth.
>>>>>> I used to read or listen to information, or read a novel, and
>>>>>> never dream of wasting my time reading or listening to it
>>>>>> again...ever!
>>>>>> But in recent years I find myself listening to the same articles
>>>>>> or the same speakers, and actually learning new information...again.
>>>>>> I'm sure that this relaxing of my mental process is not the only
>>>>>> indication of the aging process, but being blind, I never worry
>>>>>> about what would stare back at me from my mirror.
>>>>>> I do chuckle when Cathy and I return home after working with two
>>>>>> clients, and we can barely stagger into our recliners. When we
>>>>>> began back in 1995, we saw two clients in the morning and two
>>>>>> clients following lunch. And we worked five days a week in the
>>>>>> field, not just Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and we wrote our
>>>>>> reports in the late evening.
>>>>>> If I kept that sort of schedule today, I'd last about one
>>>>>> day...and no reports would ever be written.
>>>>>> By the way, I read A People's History of the United States, twice.
>>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/5/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Again, another repeat. I've just learned from experience that on
>>>>>>> holidays, Democracy Now repeats past performances. I may be
>>>>>>> weird, but just like I don't reread books, I don't listen to
>>>>>>> repeat programs.
>>>>>>> Happily, I had plenty of podcasts to listen to yesterday and if
>>>>>>> there aren't enough today, I have more than enough books. I've
>>>>>>> just unsubscribed from my second New York Times podcast. The
>>>>>>> first was The Daily, because I didn't like the way they framed
>>>>>>> most of the news stories they presented. It felt like a well
>>>>>>> planned propaganda presentation. Now, I've deleted The Argument.
>>>>>>> The most left wing of the three presenters, is, from my point of
>>>>>>> view, just slightly left of the center of the Democratic Party.
>>>>>>> They're supposed to be providing a right of center, center left,
>>>>>>> and leftist view of issues.
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous.
>>>>>>> There's a whole spectrum of viewpoints on the left that they're
>>>>>>> omitting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 9:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the mind of our nation's leading elder statesman, to your ears.
>>>>>>> An address from this past April, and an interview by Amy Goodman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:06:40 +0000
>>>>>>> Subject: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on Fascism, Nuclear Weapons,
>>>>>>> Climate Change, Julian Assange & More | Daily Digest 07/05/2019
>>>>>>> To: carjar82@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
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another week with Uncle Don and his motley gang of Womanizers.
Miriam, you are quite correct in the widespread anger and outright
hatred for Jews, the world around and for many centuries.
My history books are full of Jewish persecution, targeting of entire
communities, and driving all Jews out of one nation after another.
But I was talking about the United States of America, a nation
supposedly settled by persecuted religious groups. But as memory
recalls, this New World, Land of Opportunity to the Down Trodden, did
not include invitations to Catholics or Jews.
But of course, our Fore Fathers began building a Mythical Land, a Land
of Opportunity, where any Man who worked hard and saved his money
could rise from rags to riches...just so long as he was White, and not
Catholic or Jewish.
Of course without saying, this Land of the Free and Home of the Brave
did not even consider what we called Darkies, or Redskins, or Chinks,
or Japs, or Wet Backs and Spics, or Wops, or Micks, or Pollock's and
Krauts, not to mention such enduring terms like Slant Eyes, Mulattoes,
and Half-breeds, only to scratch the surface of the long list of
putdowns White Oligarchs labelled those whom they held in contempt.
When I was a boy, back in the 40's and 50's, Seattle was made up of
many communities. We lived on Queen Anne Hill with the up and coming
Junior Execs. I called our house "the Ghetto" because it was a basic
shack of a box. In 1949 we moved to a "real house" in Snoose
Junction, where families of Scandinavians gathered together, mostly
fishermen and laborers. Being fair skinned, blond and blue eyed, I
passed as one of "them". Then there was Garlic Gulch, Rainier Valley
and Renton, Land of Italian truck farmers and coal miners, along with
a scattering of Japanese and Filipino truck farmers. Just to the
South and a bit East of Down Town was China Town(now called the
International District". Almost entirely occupied by Chinese
Americans, but with a scattering of many other Asians. We referred to
them all as "Orientals".
Negros were bunched together on the backside of Capital Hill East of
Down Town, and contained there through the practice of "Red Lining",
until they finally became so numerous that they began spilling South
into Rainier Valley, into the open arms of Slum Lords.
And of course there were all of the little clusters of the Invisible
People, those folks we never saw, or did not even know existed. The
very old and infirm, the Blind, the Lame War Veterans, and those whom
we gave names to, like crips, hunchbacks, Spazes, Idiots, Deaf and
Dumb, , and on and on.
I recall walking the streets of Down Town Seattle, block after block
without ever seeing a "colored face". I remember somewhere in the
late 40's or early 50's waiting for a bus in down town. The bus
pulled up and the door creaked open exposing a smiling Black Man! I
look back and wonder if he was grinning because he was a friendly guy,
or if he was reacting to my very obvious shock of seeing a Black bus
driver. I had the same transparent expression the first time I came
face to face with a Woman Bus Driver. And the first time I saw a
Black man walking arm in arm with a White Woman, I stared open
mouthed.
And all the time I would have told you that I was not prejudiced.
Coming to grips with that deep, buried prejudice took years to
resolve. And the last prejudice I had to deal with was in another
outcast population. Gays. Without being able to explain where such
prejudice snuck into my brain, I was programmed to give instant angry
outbursts whenever I came face to face with anyone who was Gay, male
or female...we didn't know about transgender, transvestites, etc.
But there we were, bragging in our ignorant ways, about how free we
Americans were, and how we were spreading Peace and democracy around
the world. And our wonderful Propaganda Machine spread lies so thick
and plentiful that they covered the few warnings of their own deceit.
Even though there were warnings, The Silent Spring, The Ugly American,
For Two Cents Plain, and so many other warnings confined to paperback
production and mostly invisible to the average white American.
But the last Invisible People I want to mention are the American
Oligarchy. The descendants of our White Landed Gentry, the men who
stood up for Freedom from Oppression, while refusing to include their
woman folk or their Slaves. The nation was built upon Lies! As
advanced a document as our constitution is, it covers the real America
with promises unfulfilled and untruths about who we really are. And
hiding behind the face of, "The Folks Next Door", the Oligarchy is
invisible. But never believe for a single moment that it is not still
in control. Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> Carl,
>
> It isn't just privileged white Christians who have hated Jews. There's a
> very long history of antisemitism which includes peasants in eastern Europe
> and Russia, along with working class Irish and Italian kids in New York
> City, as well as the head of the US Immigration Service in the late 30's and
> early 40's who wouldn't allow Jews to emigrate here. There were the medical
> schools with quotas, allowing only a limited number of Jewish applicants,
> the fraternities and sororities which did not allow Jewish students to join.
> There were the country clubs and the small hotels and guest houses in New
> England where we never attempted to stop on our trips back from Canada.
> There were the public schools with their Christian hymns and opening prayers
> at the beginning of Assembly each week. There was the Inquisition, the
> mandatory conversion of Jews to Christianity in Spain. There's America which
> theoretically has separation between church and state where Christmas and
> Easter are national holidays and there is a Christmas tree lighting ceremony
> at the White House each year. In Westbury, the Village had a display at the
> Village Hall of the scene at Christ's birth and when one of our prominent
> residents who was Jewish, finally wrote a letter of objection to our
> newspaper, all hell broke loose. How dare she question such a sacred
> tradition! It was Russian peasants who participated in pogroms, and it was
> the white working class and middle class who marched in Charlottesville
> chanting, "Jews will not replace us". You can say that all of this was
> stirred up by wealthy people. But I say that it's been part of European and
> American culture for centuries.
>
> Miriam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:57 PM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: AddendumF Re: my random thoughts versus
> yours
>
> Actually Miriam, what I believe is that there is an undercurrent of hatred
> and mistrust toward Jews, by the Privileged White Racists, and of their
> sycophants, At times the window dressing is different, and often it is
> deliberately misleading. but it seems to me that so many times, those in
> power use suspicion and hatred as tools in managing the people beneath them.
> Jews have been a favorite target since Adam and Eve were kicked out of the
> Garden of Eden, setting the tone for the treatment of Jews down through the
> centuries.
> Some years ago a Seattle attorney whose last name was Goldmark, was murdered
> along with his wife and two children. The murderer was apprehended and
> confessed that he hated Jews. The Goldmarks were not Jews.
> I have tons to say on the subject, mostly conjecture on my part, but I am
> about to have an early supper and listen to a murder novel to relax my
> mind(grin).
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
> On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Mustafa,
>>
>> I'm going to try to answer you, one point at a time.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 3:03 PM
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: AddendumF Re: my random thoughts versus
>> yours
>>
>> Miriam, your approach seems to be honest and rather intriguing. I
>> actually am interested to learn more about your experience. How has this
>> started?
>> What made you believe in the statehood of Israel and what was the
>> shifting point that led you to dispose of it?
>> I was about ten years old when Israel was created. Everyone in my
>> family believed that having a Jewish State was a wonderful thing
>> because Jews had been hated and discriminated against for so long and
>> because 6 million Jews were exterminated in Nazi death camps. Everyone
>> believed that we needed a place to which to escape, the next time
>> another country began doing what the Nazis had done. The people in my
>> family believed the Zionist propaganda which stated that the
>> Palestinians were all uneducated Nomads. They never called them
>> Palestinians. They called them, "Arabs". They thought that they could
>> easily live in the surrounding Arab countries. I was just a child. I
>> absorbed all of that. But I grew up. I went to college and graduate
>> school.
>> I read a lot. I am an independent thinker. And I have always been
>> concerned about groups of people who are mistreated like African
>> Americans and Native Americans, and poor people.
>> I tend to question everything. I never practiced the Jewish religion,
>> but I absorbed the values and tradition. Here in the US, Jewish people
>> have always been involved in social justice movements. They were
>> active in the labor movement and in the civil rights movement. They
>> ran excellent social welfare agencies. I've always identified with that
>> part of Jewish tradition.
>> In my work, I met people who had lived in Israel and who had visited
>> Israel, and they described it to me. That was in the 1980's. I
>> realized that Israel was very different from the way it had been
>> described by the media and in the books I read. And then there was
>> that massacre of Palestinians in a refugee camp in 1982 in which the
>> Israelis were involved. One of my clients had lived in Israel for a
>> time and she also wrote a novel about it. I realized, from talking to
>> her and reading her book, that the Palestinians who were Israeli citizens,
>> did not have equal rights with Jewish Israelis.
>> In the 1990's, I thought that the two state solution might be the
>> right idea. But in the mid 1990's, I got a computer and that allowed
>> me to read a lot more. After the US attacked Iraq in 2003, I began to
>> see that the people in the US government who supported Israel, were
>> supporting much of what the US was doing in the Middle East and all of
>> it was wrong. And then I read a book by an Israeli historian called
>> The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. I watched what Israel did to Gaza
>> at the end of 2008. I joined an Israeli email list which was opposed
>> to Israeli policy. My whole view of Israel and Palestine had changed by
>> 2008.
>>
>> It isn't something typical for someone from Jewish background who
>> lives in America to dissent with Israel and its brutal practices in
>> Palestine.
>>
>> Among American Jews, there are a variety of opinions. Probably, a
>> majority of older people still support Israel, but not all of them do.
>> After all, I'm going to be 82 years old, and I do not. Among the
>> younger Jews, a large number have begun to question Jewish support of
>> Israel. There are several very active anti Zionist Jewish groups in
>> the US and Canada. The young people are reacting to the crimes that Israel
>> is committing.
>>
>>
>> Do you think that the Nazi persecution in Europe was the key factor by
>> which Jews have been urged to seek a new land?
>>
>> Yes, that was the impetus. But in the late nineteenth century, Jews
>> also emigrated to Palestine because of European antisemitism. Most of
>> them were secular Jews, but they chose Palestine because of the fact
>> that Jews came from there originally.
>>
>> And, to the settlers in the occupied West Bank, what have made them
>> able to remain in perhaps the most litigious region on earth
>>
>> I can't explain these people. They are very religious and very assertive.
>> Many of them came from Russia where they had very little and felt
>> unwanted, so now that they emigrated to Israel, they want to assert
>> Israeli rights over the land. It makes them feel important. The more
>> educated Jews of European background, tend to live in Israel , not the
>> West Bank, and they have favored status. They are the elite, and
>> therefore, they don't have a need to bully people openly.
>>
>> ? Carl, your experience back then has given me an idea how Jews were
>> maltreated. Is that why their star is so high now in America? Do
>> European Christians feel somewhat guilty toward Jews that they react
>> tolerantly toward their enormous atrocities perpetrated in Palestine?
>> I am attempting to fathom and somehow connect the puzzle. How in the
>> past, Christians used to despise and persecute Jews and as of right
>> now, they're their closest ally. How has this unfolded? They chased
>> them in Europe and then, helped them establish a homeland in
>> Palestine. What has changed after the second world war? I hope I could
>> discern.
>>
>> I'm not Carl, but I'll answer. It is Evangelical Christians who are
>> strongly supporting Israel. But not because they have suddenly valued
>> Jews. Israel fits into their fantasy of "The End Times". They need
>> Issrael to exist in order for the chosen to rise to heaven. The Jews
>> will be discarded, along with everyone else who isn't "saved".
>>
>>
>> Following up your last point, how could the two states solution be
>> applied?
>> And about those were born there, they knew they reside in an occupied
>> territory, even if they attempt to justify and even legitimise their
>> colonisation.
>>
>> On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mustafa,
>>>
>>> There's one point that you made, with which I don't agree. You said
>>> that all of the Jews living in Israel should return to the countries
>>> from which they came. But the fact is that most of the people who
>>> live in Israel, were born there or have made it their permanent home.
>>> They don't have homes to which to return. I think that we have to
>>> accept that Israel exists. But what should happen, is that it should
>>> be changed. It should no longer be a Jewish State. It should be
>>> Israel/Palestine, a democratic country with no walls, no barriers,
>>> and where everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian, member of any other
>>> religion, and non believer, should be equal with an equal vote. The
>>> government should not be aligned with any particular religion. All of
>>> the Palestinians, living in the diaspora, should be allowed to
>>> return, if they wish to.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 1:15 PM
>>> To: 'blind-democracy@freelists.org' <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>
>>> Mustafa,
>>>
>>> I agree with what you say about Israel. And there are many Jews who
>>> also agree with you. And no, I have no relatives living in Israel.
>>> But I want to explain to you that it took me many years to understand
>>> the truth about Israel. And learning the truth and changing what I
>>> believed and what I had thought to be true, was a very painful
>>> process. Jews were traumatized by what happened to Jews in Europe
>>> during the second world war. And they were lied to by the media and
>>> by their governments, about Israel. Additionally, it wasn't until
>>> recently that we have all learned the truth about the Zionist project
>>> to take over all of Palestine. That project existed since the early
>>> 1930's, but it was kept a secret. So what I'm saying is that Jewish
>>> people were manipulated, as were Americans, who were taught that
>>> Israel is a democratic country and an ally whom they should support.
>>> That lie has torn the Middle East apart and it has turned America
>>> into an autocracy with a democratic façade. But then, most
>>> governments lie to their people, manipulate them, and use them in
>>> order to gain power in relation to other countries.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:55 AM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>
>>> Well Miriam, I think many Jews around the world have been trapped
>>> into the deceitful notion, that Israel is presumptively the ideal
>>> solution for mass Jewish persecution. I watched various television
>>> series, featuring tales about Egyptian Jews whom had been beguiled to
>>> immigrate to Israel. Laila Mourad is a popularly distinct Egyptian
>>> vocalist and actress from Jewish background. Many including myself
>>> still love her songs and movies. I want to ask you, do you have
>>> relatives who live in Israel? If so, what's their experience? Have
>>> you ever considered settling their yourself? In my opinion, the
>>> problem of Israel, beyond territory occupation, is the fact that each
>>> and everyone therein is forcefully a soldier in the army.
>>> Furthermore, they constantly build walls, establish settlements while
>>> backed by the US. They do so because they knew they hooked this land.
>>> Thence, they are somewhat coerced to pestilently confront their victim
>>> everyday.
>>> Furthermore, I noticed the construction of the separation wall or
>>> barrier into the West Bank has substantially been accelerated. So, I
>>> believe that the major crisis has been evidently misidentified. The
>>> two states solution isn't practical at all. Jews ought to redress the
>>> situation and consistently retrovert to where they were originally
>>> from. Otherwise, the conflict shall remain, probably will heighten
>>> and it won't ever be solved. The idea of Israel has instigated Arabs
>>> to react vindictively. Jews are despised for viciously playing the
>>> victim role while they relentlessly sabotage and subjugate innocently
>>> civilian Palestinians periodically. Peace talks aren't expected to be
>>> of any significance if they're conducted unilaterally. In addition,
>>> Antisemitism verboten has to be utterly revoked. People must be able
>>> to freely criticise what Israel does without being threatened of
>>> losing their job or getting their reputation dreadfully ruined.
>>> That's why, the New York Times has been scandalously coerced to
>>> submissively apologise for portraying a political satire.
>>> Nonetheless, when a Danish magazine drew an offensive caricature of
>>> prophet Muhammad, it hasn't been compeled to apologise nor even
>>> demanded to. The subject is essentially complected. For sure, Jews
>>> are two holy to be criticised in the west, that's a fact. At the same
>>> time, we aren't suppose to biasedly generalise. I'd hope that Jews
>>> recognise what the problem really is and attempt to solve it themselves.
>>> Even those who may not necessarily agree with what Israel does,
>>> aren't enacting their proposition properly or proceeding it gradually
>>> into the legal arena.
>>> For the United States, Israel is quite sanctimonious. How many time
>>> Israeli war criminals who intently perpetrated white phosphorus
>>> against innocent civilians of Gaza have been brought to justice? How
>>> many time the US sternly vetoed a resolution issued by the UN that is
>>> destined to push peace process forward for the sake of Israel? How
>>> many time Israel's secret nuclear arsenal has been probed nor even
>>> oppugned? The west and the States in particular must develop the
>>> motivating factor by which they could devotedly interrogate about
>>> what Israel does on that regard. If the States truly cares about
>>> establishing genuine peace in the Middle East, it must quit arming
>>> Israel and start negotiating the proposed departure deal. What a
>>> Jewish of Russian background has got to do with Palestine? I think
>>> what I say makes sense, quite so far. Your opinion Miriam?
>>>
>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> Mustafa,
>>>>
>>>> Most people of my generation and previous generation who come from
>>>> Jewish backgrounds, experienced antisemitism at some time in their
>>>> lives. That is the reason that so many of us supported the creation
>>>> of the State of Israel.
>>>> Because of centuries of antisemitism and then the Nazis' persecution
>>>> of the Jews, they thought that a country, dedicated to Jewish
>>>> people, would protect them in the future. Not all Jews felt that
>>>> way, but after the second world war, many did. And we were kept
>>>> ignorant of all the details of what was done in order to create
>>>> Israel. American Jews, at least most of them, believed that by now,
>>>> at least in the US, anti-semitism had disappeared. But after the
>>>> election of Donald Trump to the Presidency, anti-semitism, which has
>>>> been pretty much hidden for decades here, is now apparent again.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't think about it as religious discrimination. What I think
>>>> is that when people, any people, have been taught that their race or
>>>> their religion or their country is superior to everyone else's,
>>>> there's always a potential for them to turn on other people who are
>>>> different from them. If they are feeling frightened about their own
>>>> security, it's very easy for people in leadership positions to turn
>>>> them against other people.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 1:40 PM
>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>>
>>>> Miriam, it's so sad that you were disallowed from entering some
>>>> places for your religious background.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> Weather? When I was young, in New York, June was sunny and warm.
>>>>> July was sunny and hot. August was muggy, sometimes rainy,
>>>>> sometimes sunny, until the end when we would have one or two cooler
>>>>> sunny days to remind us that autumn was on the way. It has been hot
>>>>> and muggy for days now. We've had some rain and some thunder. Back
>>>>> in the old days, thunder storms were reserved for the end of July and
>>>>> August.
>>>>> Today is cloudy, hot and muggy, with rainstorms forecast for the
>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Car trips. We were working class city people with no real need for
>>>>> a car because New York City had good, inexpensive, public
>>>>> transportation. But when I was nine or ten years old, my father
>>>>> bought a car. The first one was a Chevrolet. The color was crystal
>>>>> green and my very fashion conscious mother just loved that color.
>>>>> Each summer, we would travel by car to Montreal to visit my
>>>>> father's family. It would be a slow, rambling trip up through New
>>>>> York State with stops at various tourist attractions like Niagara
>>>>> Falls, and back home through New England. There was a wonderful
>>>>> restaurant called, The Springs, somewhere in Massachusetts, that we
>>>>> stumbled on one year and where we made sure to return each year.
>>>>> Two of my father's brothers had also emigrated from Canada to the
>>>>> US and one year, one of them, with his wife and son, traveled back
>>>>> to Montreal with us. No rambling that time, just one or two very
>>>>> long days of riding in a car. But that was the year, I think, that
>>>>> after we visited the family in Montreal, we traveled to the
>>>>> Mountains in Quebec Province for vacation. But we couldn't find a
>>>>> hotel because no one would allow Jews. One place said we could stay
>>>>> in a cabin, but we weren't allowed in the dining room.
>>>>> So we kept riding. And then we saw a beautiful hotel on an island
>>>>> in the middle of a lake. We were sure that since it looked so
>>>>> fancy, we would surely be excluded from there too, but we thought
>>>>> we'd try anyway.
>>>>> Luckily, the owner was Jewish. We were allowed in and absolutely
>>>>> loved our stay there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:49 AM
>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Miriam...and anyone else still recovering from the Fourth of July.
>>>>> Rereading is probably more related to temperate, as you say,
>>>>> rather than age related. But I wonder how it is that you continue
>>>>> to read...or at least skim my posts, since redundancy is my middle
>>>>> name.
>>>>> I always figured that I just had a limited vocabulary. Not like
>>>>> our friend in Egypt!
>>>>> It's Saturday, July Sixth, and it's raining. All night it rained.
>>>>> 20%, the weather person said. Well Mister/Missus Weather person,
>>>>> we got 20% five times! It reminds me of the many times we put the
>>>>> four man surplus Army tent in the trunk of our old Hudson, called
>>>>> the Family Bus, and tossed in some food and sleeping bedding, and
>>>>> headed out on a sort of sunny July Fourth, looking to commune with
>>>>> Nature.
>>>>> Sometimes we drove down the Coast into Oregon and sometimes we
>>>>> headed up toward Bellingham. I liked it best when we turned the
>>>>> Family Bus toward the East, and wound up at grandma and grandpa's
>>>>> farm in the Spokane Valley. No sleeping on lumpy rocks at
>>>>> grandma's. Sure, the beds were old and lumpy and sagged to the
>>>>> middle, but it was dry and hot and beat the rain that was falling
>>>>> on the Coast.
>>>>> It seemed to always rain over Fourth of July weekend. Come to
>>>>> think of it, it always seemed to rain on Memorial Day weekend...and
>>>>> Labor Day weekend, too. And it was always a fine, soaking rain.
>>>>> Mother called it, "Oregon Mist". Then she would add, "It mist
>>>>> Oregon and hit Washington".
>>>>> Something I learned early on...well, a couple of things, was that
>>>>> Four Man Army Surplus Tents are made to accommodate three
>>>>> undersized soldiers. We had two fairly large adults and three
>>>>> varying sizes of children. Crowded was a bad joke. It was
>>>>> impossible to crawl out over sleeping bodies if you had to go out
>>>>> in the middle of the night...and there was only one compelling
>>>>> reason anyone in their right mind would crawl out of the safety of
>>>>> that four man tent, into the wet, clammy, very dark night. And the
>>>>> other important thing I learned about canvas tents and rain, Do Not
>>>>> Touch the Canvas when it is raining. Mother and Dad told us this
>>>>> warning every time we headed out...in the rain. You would think
>>>>> that the first time we disobeyed them, we would never touch the
>>>>> tent's canvas roof. As soon as a stray finger explored the tents
>>>>> surface, a drop of water would form.
>>>>> And there was no way to put it back. It would draw more water into
>>>>> itself and then drop...splat!
>>>>> And another drop would form...
>>>>> This foolishness always happened, but always over my sisters or
>>>>> myself.
>>>>> Never, ever did anyone touch the tent above our parents.
>>>>> They slept warm and dry while us three kids wiggled and squirmed
>>>>> while trying to avoid the drips.
>>>>> One time we found a beautiful valley in Western Oregon, accessible
>>>>> only by a couple of ruts that went straight down the edge of a high
>>>>> rock wall and a steep drop off on the other side. We pitched...or
>>>>> actually we struggled the tent into an upright position and then
>>>>> began slapping our arms and necks.
>>>>> We saw no mosquitoes, but little welts began rising up on our
>>>>> exposed skin.
>>>>> "No See ums'!" my dad announced.
>>>>> "You can't see them because all there is to them are teeth with
>>>>> wings".
>>>>> After we tired of slapping, we hauled down the tent and crawled
>>>>> back up that rutty road with the windows all rolled up. That was
>>>>> another joy in summer camping trips. Old 1938 Hudson's were roomy,
>>>>> but air conditioning was available only by cranking down the
>>>>> windows. One trip through Roseburg, Oregon it was 105 degrees,
>>>>> with that hot sun beating down on an all metal car. That trip we
>>>>> had five adults and Mimi, our small family dog of many breeds.
>>>>> Poor Mimi, she hated long trips, but had to go because she had
>>>>> bonded with Mother. She always threw up within the first hour.
>>>>> Then she was fine for the rest of the outing, no matter how many
>>>>> days we were gone.
>>>>> That is when Mimi became "Our dog", meaning my sister's and mine.
>>>>> We got to clean the pukey newspaper out of her box and toss the
>>>>> stinking mess into a waste barrel when we stopped for gas...or had
>>>>> to put water in our boiling radiator...or add air to our soft tires.
>>>>> You would think that such memories would guarantee that I would
>>>>> live deep in the heart of a large city. But something about
>>>>> heading into the unknown moved my heart and Soul...and moved us
>>>>> finally to our ten acre horse farm in the wilds of the Great
>>>>> Olympic Peninsula...where I've never met a tree I didn't like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Carl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a lot of young people who read books over and over again.
>>>>>> It has nothing to do with age. I know because of what people write
>>>>>> on the DB Review list. And when I listen to these podcasts, I'm
>>>>>> hearing the same subjects discussed repeatedly, but sometimes with
>>>>>> new facts thrown into the mix. I just don't like hearing the same
>>>>>> words repeated. I guess it's temperament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miriam,
>>>>>> It's one of those subtle signs that I'm getting long in the tooth.
>>>>>> I used to read or listen to information, or read a novel, and
>>>>>> never dream of wasting my time reading or listening to it
>>>>>> again...ever!
>>>>>> But in recent years I find myself listening to the same articles
>>>>>> or the same speakers, and actually learning new information...again.
>>>>>> I'm sure that this relaxing of my mental process is not the only
>>>>>> indication of the aging process, but being blind, I never worry
>>>>>> about what would stare back at me from my mirror.
>>>>>> I do chuckle when Cathy and I return home after working with two
>>>>>> clients, and we can barely stagger into our recliners. When we
>>>>>> began back in 1995, we saw two clients in the morning and two
>>>>>> clients following lunch. And we worked five days a week in the
>>>>>> field, not just Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and we wrote our
>>>>>> reports in the late evening.
>>>>>> If I kept that sort of schedule today, I'd last about one
>>>>>> day...and no reports would ever be written.
>>>>>> By the way, I read A People's History of the United States, twice.
>>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/5/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Again, another repeat. I've just learned from experience that on
>>>>>>> holidays, Democracy Now repeats past performances. I may be
>>>>>>> weird, but just like I don't reread books, I don't listen to
>>>>>>> repeat programs.
>>>>>>> Happily, I had plenty of podcasts to listen to yesterday and if
>>>>>>> there aren't enough today, I have more than enough books. I've
>>>>>>> just unsubscribed from my second New York Times podcast. The
>>>>>>> first was The Daily, because I didn't like the way they framed
>>>>>>> most of the news stories they presented. It felt like a well
>>>>>>> planned propaganda presentation. Now, I've deleted The Argument.
>>>>>>> The most left wing of the three presenters, is, from my point of
>>>>>>> view, just slightly left of the center of the Democratic Party.
>>>>>>> They're supposed to be providing a right of center, center left,
>>>>>>> and leftist view of issues.
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous.
>>>>>>> There's a whole spectrum of viewpoints on the left that they're
>>>>>>> omitting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 9:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the mind of our nation's leading elder statesman, to your ears.
>>>>>>> An address from this past April, and an interview by Amy Goodman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:06:40 +0000
>>>>>>> Subject: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on Fascism, Nuclear Weapons,
>>>>>>> Climate Change, Julian Assange & More | Daily Digest 07/05/2019
>>>>>>> To: carjar82@gmail.com
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