Monday Morning Mental Musings

Good Monday morning, Miriam and All Brave Souls who dare to face
another week with Uncle Don and his motley gang of Womanizers.
Miriam, you are quite correct in the widespread anger and outright
hatred for Jews, the world around and for many centuries.
My history books are full of Jewish persecution, targeting of entire
communities, and driving all Jews out of one nation after another.
But I was talking about the United States of America, a nation
supposedly settled by persecuted religious groups. But as memory
recalls, this New World, Land of Opportunity to the Down Trodden, did
not include invitations to Catholics or Jews.
But of course, our Fore Fathers began building a Mythical Land, a Land
of Opportunity, where any Man who worked hard and saved his money
could rise from rags to riches...just so long as he was White, and not
Catholic or Jewish.
Of course without saying, this Land of the Free and Home of the Brave
did not even consider what we called Darkies, or Redskins, or Chinks,
or Japs, or Wet Backs and Spics, or Wops, or Micks, or Pollock's and
Krauts, not to mention such enduring terms like Slant Eyes, Mulattoes,
and Half-breeds, only to scratch the surface of the long list of
putdowns White Oligarchs labelled those whom they held in contempt.
When I was a boy, back in the 40's and 50's, Seattle was made up of
many communities. We lived on Queen Anne Hill with the up and coming
Junior Execs. I called our house "the Ghetto" because it was a basic
shack of a box. In 1949 we moved to a "real house" in Snoose
Junction, where families of Scandinavians gathered together, mostly
fishermen and laborers. Being fair skinned, blond and blue eyed, I
passed as one of "them". Then there was Garlic Gulch, Rainier Valley
and Renton, Land of Italian truck farmers and coal miners, along with
a scattering of Japanese and Filipino truck farmers. Just to the
South and a bit East of Down Town was China Town(now called the
International District". Almost entirely occupied by Chinese
Americans, but with a scattering of many other Asians. We referred to
them all as "Orientals".
Negros were bunched together on the backside of Capital Hill East of
Down Town, and contained there through the practice of "Red Lining",
until they finally became so numerous that they began spilling South
into Rainier Valley, into the open arms of Slum Lords.
And of course there were all of the little clusters of the Invisible
People, those folks we never saw, or did not even know existed. The
very old and infirm, the Blind, the Lame War Veterans, and those whom
we gave names to, like crips, hunchbacks, Spazes, Idiots, Deaf and
Dumb, , and on and on.
I recall walking the streets of Down Town Seattle, block after block
without ever seeing a "colored face". I remember somewhere in the
late 40's or early 50's waiting for a bus in down town. The bus
pulled up and the door creaked open exposing a smiling Black Man! I
look back and wonder if he was grinning because he was a friendly guy,
or if he was reacting to my very obvious shock of seeing a Black bus
driver. I had the same transparent expression the first time I came
face to face with a Woman Bus Driver. And the first time I saw a
Black man walking arm in arm with a White Woman, I stared open
mouthed.
And all the time I would have told you that I was not prejudiced.
Coming to grips with that deep, buried prejudice took years to
resolve. And the last prejudice I had to deal with was in another
outcast population. Gays. Without being able to explain where such
prejudice snuck into my brain, I was programmed to give instant angry
outbursts whenever I came face to face with anyone who was Gay, male
or female...we didn't know about transgender, transvestites, etc.
But there we were, bragging in our ignorant ways, about how free we
Americans were, and how we were spreading Peace and democracy around
the world. And our wonderful Propaganda Machine spread lies so thick
and plentiful that they covered the few warnings of their own deceit.
Even though there were warnings, The Silent Spring, The Ugly American,
For Two Cents Plain, and so many other warnings confined to paperback
production and mostly invisible to the average white American.
But the last Invisible People I want to mention are the American
Oligarchy. The descendants of our White Landed Gentry, the men who
stood up for Freedom from Oppression, while refusing to include their
woman folk or their Slaves. The nation was built upon Lies! As
advanced a document as our constitution is, it covers the real America
with promises unfulfilled and untruths about who we really are. And
hiding behind the face of, "The Folks Next Door", the Oligarchy is
invisible. But never believe for a single moment that it is not still
in control. Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> Carl,
>
> It isn't just privileged white Christians who have hated Jews. There's a
> very long history of antisemitism which includes peasants in eastern Europe
> and Russia, along with working class Irish and Italian kids in New York
> City, as well as the head of the US Immigration Service in the late 30's and
> early 40's who wouldn't allow Jews to emigrate here. There were the medical
> schools with quotas, allowing only a limited number of Jewish applicants,
> the fraternities and sororities which did not allow Jewish students to join.
> There were the country clubs and the small hotels and guest houses in New
> England where we never attempted to stop on our trips back from Canada.
> There were the public schools with their Christian hymns and opening prayers
> at the beginning of Assembly each week. There was the Inquisition, the
> mandatory conversion of Jews to Christianity in Spain. There's America which
> theoretically has separation between church and state where Christmas and
> Easter are national holidays and there is a Christmas tree lighting ceremony
> at the White House each year. In Westbury, the Village had a display at the
> Village Hall of the scene at Christ's birth and when one of our prominent
> residents who was Jewish, finally wrote a letter of objection to our
> newspaper, all hell broke loose. How dare she question such a sacred
> tradition! It was Russian peasants who participated in pogroms, and it was
> the white working class and middle class who marched in Charlottesville
> chanting, "Jews will not replace us". You can say that all of this was
> stirred up by wealthy people. But I say that it's been part of European and
> American culture for centuries.
>
> Miriam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:57 PM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: AddendumF Re: my random thoughts versus
> yours
>
> Actually Miriam, what I believe is that there is an undercurrent of hatred
> and mistrust toward Jews, by the Privileged White Racists, and of their
> sycophants, At times the window dressing is different, and often it is
> deliberately misleading. but it seems to me that so many times, those in
> power use suspicion and hatred as tools in managing the people beneath them.
> Jews have been a favorite target since Adam and Eve were kicked out of the
> Garden of Eden, setting the tone for the treatment of Jews down through the
> centuries.
> Some years ago a Seattle attorney whose last name was Goldmark, was murdered
> along with his wife and two children. The murderer was apprehended and
> confessed that he hated Jews. The Goldmarks were not Jews.
> I have tons to say on the subject, mostly conjecture on my part, but I am
> about to have an early supper and listen to a murder novel to relax my
> mind(grin).
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
> On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Mustafa,
>>
>> I'm going to try to answer you, one point at a time.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 3:03 PM
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: AddendumF Re: my random thoughts versus
>> yours
>>
>> Miriam, your approach seems to be honest and rather intriguing. I
>> actually am interested to learn more about your experience. How has this
>> started?
>> What made you believe in the statehood of Israel and what was the
>> shifting point that led you to dispose of it?
>> I was about ten years old when Israel was created. Everyone in my
>> family believed that having a Jewish State was a wonderful thing
>> because Jews had been hated and discriminated against for so long and
>> because 6 million Jews were exterminated in Nazi death camps. Everyone
>> believed that we needed a place to which to escape, the next time
>> another country began doing what the Nazis had done. The people in my
>> family believed the Zionist propaganda which stated that the
>> Palestinians were all uneducated Nomads. They never called them
>> Palestinians. They called them, "Arabs". They thought that they could
>> easily live in the surrounding Arab countries. I was just a child. I
>> absorbed all of that. But I grew up. I went to college and graduate
>> school.
>> I read a lot. I am an independent thinker. And I have always been
>> concerned about groups of people who are mistreated like African
>> Americans and Native Americans, and poor people.
>> I tend to question everything. I never practiced the Jewish religion,
>> but I absorbed the values and tradition. Here in the US, Jewish people
>> have always been involved in social justice movements. They were
>> active in the labor movement and in the civil rights movement. They
>> ran excellent social welfare agencies. I've always identified with that
>> part of Jewish tradition.
>> In my work, I met people who had lived in Israel and who had visited
>> Israel, and they described it to me. That was in the 1980's. I
>> realized that Israel was very different from the way it had been
>> described by the media and in the books I read. And then there was
>> that massacre of Palestinians in a refugee camp in 1982 in which the
>> Israelis were involved. One of my clients had lived in Israel for a
>> time and she also wrote a novel about it. I realized, from talking to
>> her and reading her book, that the Palestinians who were Israeli citizens,
>> did not have equal rights with Jewish Israelis.
>> In the 1990's, I thought that the two state solution might be the
>> right idea. But in the mid 1990's, I got a computer and that allowed
>> me to read a lot more. After the US attacked Iraq in 2003, I began to
>> see that the people in the US government who supported Israel, were
>> supporting much of what the US was doing in the Middle East and all of
>> it was wrong. And then I read a book by an Israeli historian called
>> The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. I watched what Israel did to Gaza
>> at the end of 2008. I joined an Israeli email list which was opposed
>> to Israeli policy. My whole view of Israel and Palestine had changed by
>> 2008.
>>
>> It isn't something typical for someone from Jewish background who
>> lives in America to dissent with Israel and its brutal practices in
>> Palestine.
>>
>> Among American Jews, there are a variety of opinions. Probably, a
>> majority of older people still support Israel, but not all of them do.
>> After all, I'm going to be 82 years old, and I do not. Among the
>> younger Jews, a large number have begun to question Jewish support of
>> Israel. There are several very active anti Zionist Jewish groups in
>> the US and Canada. The young people are reacting to the crimes that Israel
>> is committing.
>>
>>
>> Do you think that the Nazi persecution in Europe was the key factor by
>> which Jews have been urged to seek a new land?
>>
>> Yes, that was the impetus. But in the late nineteenth century, Jews
>> also emigrated to Palestine because of European antisemitism. Most of
>> them were secular Jews, but they chose Palestine because of the fact
>> that Jews came from there originally.
>>
>> And, to the settlers in the occupied West Bank, what have made them
>> able to remain in perhaps the most litigious region on earth
>>
>> I can't explain these people. They are very religious and very assertive.
>> Many of them came from Russia where they had very little and felt
>> unwanted, so now that they emigrated to Israel, they want to assert
>> Israeli rights over the land. It makes them feel important. The more
>> educated Jews of European background, tend to live in Israel , not the
>> West Bank, and they have favored status. They are the elite, and
>> therefore, they don't have a need to bully people openly.
>>
>> ? Carl, your experience back then has given me an idea how Jews were
>> maltreated. Is that why their star is so high now in America? Do
>> European Christians feel somewhat guilty toward Jews that they react
>> tolerantly toward their enormous atrocities perpetrated in Palestine?
>> I am attempting to fathom and somehow connect the puzzle. How in the
>> past, Christians used to despise and persecute Jews and as of right
>> now, they're their closest ally. How has this unfolded? They chased
>> them in Europe and then, helped them establish a homeland in
>> Palestine. What has changed after the second world war? I hope I could
>> discern.
>>
>> I'm not Carl, but I'll answer. It is Evangelical Christians who are
>> strongly supporting Israel. But not because they have suddenly valued
>> Jews. Israel fits into their fantasy of "The End Times". They need
>> Issrael to exist in order for the chosen to rise to heaven. The Jews
>> will be discarded, along with everyone else who isn't "saved".
>>
>>
>> Following up your last point, how could the two states solution be
>> applied?
>> And about those were born there, they knew they reside in an occupied
>> territory, even if they attempt to justify and even legitimise their
>> colonisation.
>>
>> On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mustafa,
>>>
>>> There's one point that you made, with which I don't agree. You said
>>> that all of the Jews living in Israel should return to the countries
>>> from which they came. But the fact is that most of the people who
>>> live in Israel, were born there or have made it their permanent home.
>>> They don't have homes to which to return. I think that we have to
>>> accept that Israel exists. But what should happen, is that it should
>>> be changed. It should no longer be a Jewish State. It should be
>>> Israel/Palestine, a democratic country with no walls, no barriers,
>>> and where everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian, member of any other
>>> religion, and non believer, should be equal with an equal vote. The
>>> government should not be aligned with any particular religion. All of
>>> the Palestinians, living in the diaspora, should be allowed to
>>> return, if they wish to.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 1:15 PM
>>> To: 'blind-democracy@freelists.org' <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>
>>> Mustafa,
>>>
>>> I agree with what you say about Israel. And there are many Jews who
>>> also agree with you. And no, I have no relatives living in Israel.
>>> But I want to explain to you that it took me many years to understand
>>> the truth about Israel. And learning the truth and changing what I
>>> believed and what I had thought to be true, was a very painful
>>> process. Jews were traumatized by what happened to Jews in Europe
>>> during the second world war. And they were lied to by the media and
>>> by their governments, about Israel. Additionally, it wasn't until
>>> recently that we have all learned the truth about the Zionist project
>>> to take over all of Palestine. That project existed since the early
>>> 1930's, but it was kept a secret. So what I'm saying is that Jewish
>>> people were manipulated, as were Americans, who were taught that
>>> Israel is a democratic country and an ally whom they should support.
>>> That lie has torn the Middle East apart and it has turned America
>>> into an autocracy with a democratic façade. But then, most
>>> governments lie to their people, manipulate them, and use them in
>>> order to gain power in relation to other countries.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:55 AM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>
>>> Well Miriam, I think many Jews around the world have been trapped
>>> into the deceitful notion, that Israel is presumptively the ideal
>>> solution for mass Jewish persecution. I watched various television
>>> series, featuring tales about Egyptian Jews whom had been beguiled to
>>> immigrate to Israel. Laila Mourad is a popularly distinct Egyptian
>>> vocalist and actress from Jewish background. Many including myself
>>> still love her songs and movies. I want to ask you, do you have
>>> relatives who live in Israel? If so, what's their experience? Have
>>> you ever considered settling their yourself? In my opinion, the
>>> problem of Israel, beyond territory occupation, is the fact that each
>>> and everyone therein is forcefully a soldier in the army.
>>> Furthermore, they constantly build walls, establish settlements while
>>> backed by the US. They do so because they knew they hooked this land.
>>> Thence, they are somewhat coerced to pestilently confront their victim
>>> everyday.
>>> Furthermore, I noticed the construction of the separation wall or
>>> barrier into the West Bank has substantially been accelerated. So, I
>>> believe that the major crisis has been evidently misidentified. The
>>> two states solution isn't practical at all. Jews ought to redress the
>>> situation and consistently retrovert to where they were originally
>>> from. Otherwise, the conflict shall remain, probably will heighten
>>> and it won't ever be solved. The idea of Israel has instigated Arabs
>>> to react vindictively. Jews are despised for viciously playing the
>>> victim role while they relentlessly sabotage and subjugate innocently
>>> civilian Palestinians periodically. Peace talks aren't expected to be
>>> of any significance if they're conducted unilaterally. In addition,
>>> Antisemitism verboten has to be utterly revoked. People must be able
>>> to freely criticise what Israel does without being threatened of
>>> losing their job or getting their reputation dreadfully ruined.
>>> That's why, the New York Times has been scandalously coerced to
>>> submissively apologise for portraying a political satire.
>>> Nonetheless, when a Danish magazine drew an offensive caricature of
>>> prophet Muhammad, it hasn't been compeled to apologise nor even
>>> demanded to. The subject is essentially complected. For sure, Jews
>>> are two holy to be criticised in the west, that's a fact. At the same
>>> time, we aren't suppose to biasedly generalise. I'd hope that Jews
>>> recognise what the problem really is and attempt to solve it themselves.
>>> Even those who may not necessarily agree with what Israel does,
>>> aren't enacting their proposition properly or proceeding it gradually
>>> into the legal arena.
>>> For the United States, Israel is quite sanctimonious. How many time
>>> Israeli war criminals who intently perpetrated white phosphorus
>>> against innocent civilians of Gaza have been brought to justice? How
>>> many time the US sternly vetoed a resolution issued by the UN that is
>>> destined to push peace process forward for the sake of Israel? How
>>> many time Israel's secret nuclear arsenal has been probed nor even
>>> oppugned? The west and the States in particular must develop the
>>> motivating factor by which they could devotedly interrogate about
>>> what Israel does on that regard. If the States truly cares about
>>> establishing genuine peace in the Middle East, it must quit arming
>>> Israel and start negotiating the proposed departure deal. What a
>>> Jewish of Russian background has got to do with Palestine? I think
>>> what I say makes sense, quite so far. Your opinion Miriam?
>>>
>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> Mustafa,
>>>>
>>>> Most people of my generation and previous generation who come from
>>>> Jewish backgrounds, experienced antisemitism at some time in their
>>>> lives. That is the reason that so many of us supported the creation
>>>> of the State of Israel.
>>>> Because of centuries of antisemitism and then the Nazis' persecution
>>>> of the Jews, they thought that a country, dedicated to Jewish
>>>> people, would protect them in the future. Not all Jews felt that
>>>> way, but after the second world war, many did. And we were kept
>>>> ignorant of all the details of what was done in order to create
>>>> Israel. American Jews, at least most of them, believed that by now,
>>>> at least in the US, anti-semitism had disappeared. But after the
>>>> election of Donald Trump to the Presidency, anti-semitism, which has
>>>> been pretty much hidden for decades here, is now apparent again.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't think about it as religious discrimination. What I think
>>>> is that when people, any people, have been taught that their race or
>>>> their religion or their country is superior to everyone else's,
>>>> there's always a potential for them to turn on other people who are
>>>> different from them. If they are feeling frightened about their own
>>>> security, it's very easy for people in leadership positions to turn
>>>> them against other people.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 1:40 PM
>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: my random thoughts versus yours
>>>>
>>>> Miriam, it's so sad that you were disallowed from entering some
>>>> places for your religious background.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> Weather? When I was young, in New York, June was sunny and warm.
>>>>> July was sunny and hot. August was muggy, sometimes rainy,
>>>>> sometimes sunny, until the end when we would have one or two cooler
>>>>> sunny days to remind us that autumn was on the way. It has been hot
>>>>> and muggy for days now. We've had some rain and some thunder. Back
>>>>> in the old days, thunder storms were reserved for the end of July and
>>>>> August.
>>>>> Today is cloudy, hot and muggy, with rainstorms forecast for the
>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Car trips. We were working class city people with no real need for
>>>>> a car because New York City had good, inexpensive, public
>>>>> transportation. But when I was nine or ten years old, my father
>>>>> bought a car. The first one was a Chevrolet. The color was crystal
>>>>> green and my very fashion conscious mother just loved that color.
>>>>> Each summer, we would travel by car to Montreal to visit my
>>>>> father's family. It would be a slow, rambling trip up through New
>>>>> York State with stops at various tourist attractions like Niagara
>>>>> Falls, and back home through New England. There was a wonderful
>>>>> restaurant called, The Springs, somewhere in Massachusetts, that we
>>>>> stumbled on one year and where we made sure to return each year.
>>>>> Two of my father's brothers had also emigrated from Canada to the
>>>>> US and one year, one of them, with his wife and son, traveled back
>>>>> to Montreal with us. No rambling that time, just one or two very
>>>>> long days of riding in a car. But that was the year, I think, that
>>>>> after we visited the family in Montreal, we traveled to the
>>>>> Mountains in Quebec Province for vacation. But we couldn't find a
>>>>> hotel because no one would allow Jews. One place said we could stay
>>>>> in a cabin, but we weren't allowed in the dining room.
>>>>> So we kept riding. And then we saw a beautiful hotel on an island
>>>>> in the middle of a lake. We were sure that since it looked so
>>>>> fancy, we would surely be excluded from there too, but we thought
>>>>> we'd try anyway.
>>>>> Luckily, the owner was Jewish. We were allowed in and absolutely
>>>>> loved our stay there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:49 AM
>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Miriam...and anyone else still recovering from the Fourth of July.
>>>>> Rereading is probably more related to temperate, as you say,
>>>>> rather than age related. But I wonder how it is that you continue
>>>>> to read...or at least skim my posts, since redundancy is my middle
>>>>> name.
>>>>> I always figured that I just had a limited vocabulary. Not like
>>>>> our friend in Egypt!
>>>>> It's Saturday, July Sixth, and it's raining. All night it rained.
>>>>> 20%, the weather person said. Well Mister/Missus Weather person,
>>>>> we got 20% five times! It reminds me of the many times we put the
>>>>> four man surplus Army tent in the trunk of our old Hudson, called
>>>>> the Family Bus, and tossed in some food and sleeping bedding, and
>>>>> headed out on a sort of sunny July Fourth, looking to commune with
>>>>> Nature.
>>>>> Sometimes we drove down the Coast into Oregon and sometimes we
>>>>> headed up toward Bellingham. I liked it best when we turned the
>>>>> Family Bus toward the East, and wound up at grandma and grandpa's
>>>>> farm in the Spokane Valley. No sleeping on lumpy rocks at
>>>>> grandma's. Sure, the beds were old and lumpy and sagged to the
>>>>> middle, but it was dry and hot and beat the rain that was falling
>>>>> on the Coast.
>>>>> It seemed to always rain over Fourth of July weekend. Come to
>>>>> think of it, it always seemed to rain on Memorial Day weekend...and
>>>>> Labor Day weekend, too. And it was always a fine, soaking rain.
>>>>> Mother called it, "Oregon Mist". Then she would add, "It mist
>>>>> Oregon and hit Washington".
>>>>> Something I learned early on...well, a couple of things, was that
>>>>> Four Man Army Surplus Tents are made to accommodate three
>>>>> undersized soldiers. We had two fairly large adults and three
>>>>> varying sizes of children. Crowded was a bad joke. It was
>>>>> impossible to crawl out over sleeping bodies if you had to go out
>>>>> in the middle of the night...and there was only one compelling
>>>>> reason anyone in their right mind would crawl out of the safety of
>>>>> that four man tent, into the wet, clammy, very dark night. And the
>>>>> other important thing I learned about canvas tents and rain, Do Not
>>>>> Touch the Canvas when it is raining. Mother and Dad told us this
>>>>> warning every time we headed out...in the rain. You would think
>>>>> that the first time we disobeyed them, we would never touch the
>>>>> tent's canvas roof. As soon as a stray finger explored the tents
>>>>> surface, a drop of water would form.
>>>>> And there was no way to put it back. It would draw more water into
>>>>> itself and then drop...splat!
>>>>> And another drop would form...
>>>>> This foolishness always happened, but always over my sisters or
>>>>> myself.
>>>>> Never, ever did anyone touch the tent above our parents.
>>>>> They slept warm and dry while us three kids wiggled and squirmed
>>>>> while trying to avoid the drips.
>>>>> One time we found a beautiful valley in Western Oregon, accessible
>>>>> only by a couple of ruts that went straight down the edge of a high
>>>>> rock wall and a steep drop off on the other side. We pitched...or
>>>>> actually we struggled the tent into an upright position and then
>>>>> began slapping our arms and necks.
>>>>> We saw no mosquitoes, but little welts began rising up on our
>>>>> exposed skin.
>>>>> "No See ums'!" my dad announced.
>>>>> "You can't see them because all there is to them are teeth with
>>>>> wings".
>>>>> After we tired of slapping, we hauled down the tent and crawled
>>>>> back up that rutty road with the windows all rolled up. That was
>>>>> another joy in summer camping trips. Old 1938 Hudson's were roomy,
>>>>> but air conditioning was available only by cranking down the
>>>>> windows. One trip through Roseburg, Oregon it was 105 degrees,
>>>>> with that hot sun beating down on an all metal car. That trip we
>>>>> had five adults and Mimi, our small family dog of many breeds.
>>>>> Poor Mimi, she hated long trips, but had to go because she had
>>>>> bonded with Mother. She always threw up within the first hour.
>>>>> Then she was fine for the rest of the outing, no matter how many
>>>>> days we were gone.
>>>>> That is when Mimi became "Our dog", meaning my sister's and mine.
>>>>> We got to clean the pukey newspaper out of her box and toss the
>>>>> stinking mess into a waste barrel when we stopped for gas...or had
>>>>> to put water in our boiling radiator...or add air to our soft tires.
>>>>> You would think that such memories would guarantee that I would
>>>>> live deep in the heart of a large city. But something about
>>>>> heading into the unknown moved my heart and Soul...and moved us
>>>>> finally to our ten acre horse farm in the wilds of the Great
>>>>> Olympic Peninsula...where I've never met a tree I didn't like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Carl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a lot of young people who read books over and over again.
>>>>>> It has nothing to do with age. I know because of what people write
>>>>>> on the DB Review list. And when I listen to these podcasts, I'm
>>>>>> hearing the same subjects discussed repeatedly, but sometimes with
>>>>>> new facts thrown into the mix. I just don't like hearing the same
>>>>>> words repeated. I guess it's temperament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miriam,
>>>>>> It's one of those subtle signs that I'm getting long in the tooth.
>>>>>> I used to read or listen to information, or read a novel, and
>>>>>> never dream of wasting my time reading or listening to it
>>>>>> again...ever!
>>>>>> But in recent years I find myself listening to the same articles
>>>>>> or the same speakers, and actually learning new information...again.
>>>>>> I'm sure that this relaxing of my mental process is not the only
>>>>>> indication of the aging process, but being blind, I never worry
>>>>>> about what would stare back at me from my mirror.
>>>>>> I do chuckle when Cathy and I return home after working with two
>>>>>> clients, and we can barely stagger into our recliners. When we
>>>>>> began back in 1995, we saw two clients in the morning and two
>>>>>> clients following lunch. And we worked five days a week in the
>>>>>> field, not just Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and we wrote our
>>>>>> reports in the late evening.
>>>>>> If I kept that sort of schedule today, I'd last about one
>>>>>> day...and no reports would ever be written.
>>>>>> By the way, I read A People's History of the United States, twice.
>>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/5/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Again, another repeat. I've just learned from experience that on
>>>>>>> holidays, Democracy Now repeats past performances. I may be
>>>>>>> weird, but just like I don't reread books, I don't listen to
>>>>>>> repeat programs.
>>>>>>> Happily, I had plenty of podcasts to listen to yesterday and if
>>>>>>> there aren't enough today, I have more than enough books. I've
>>>>>>> just unsubscribed from my second New York Times podcast. The
>>>>>>> first was The Daily, because I didn't like the way they framed
>>>>>>> most of the news stories they presented. It felt like a well
>>>>>>> planned propaganda presentation. Now, I've deleted The Argument.
>>>>>>> The most left wing of the three presenters, is, from my point of
>>>>>>> view, just slightly left of the center of the Democratic Party.
>>>>>>> They're supposed to be providing a right of center, center left,
>>>>>>> and leftist view of issues.
>>>>>>> That's ridiculous.
>>>>>>> There's a whole spectrum of viewpoints on the left that they're
>>>>>>> omitting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 9:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Fwd: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on
>>>>>>> Fascism, Nuclear Weapons, Climate Change, Julian Assange & More |
>>>>>>> Daily Digest
>>>>>>> 07/05/2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the mind of our nation's leading elder statesman, to your ears.
>>>>>>> An address from this past April, and an interview by Amy Goodman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Democracy Now! <digest@democracynow.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:06:40 +0000
>>>>>>> Subject: An Hour with Noam Chomsky on Fascism, Nuclear Weapons,
>>>>>>> Climate Change, Julian Assange & More | Daily Digest 07/05/2019
>>>>>>> To: carjar82@gmail.com
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