Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Israel Veers Even Further Right

Frankly speaking Frank, I have believed for some time that we are
watching our nations morph into Corporate Nations. Traditional
national boundaries will blur and the Working Class will find
themselves being controlled by Corporate Governments. If I'm right,
then the Corporate Masters here in what was once the USA, are part of
a new "Nation" that includes the Ruling Class in Israel.
While we are being directed to place blame for our economic woes at
the feet of Russia or China, our Ruling Class will actually be in a
tussle with other international corporations for world dominance.
Even now, just who are we "defending"? What democracies have we
supported around the world? How much Peace now exists on Earth? The
fact is, we are being fed crap. Not by our good old USA, remember
that Republic? No, we may be told that we are protecting Freedom and
Democracy and protecting our nation, but it is the Empire we are
really serving. And our interests are far from those of the Empire.
But the interests of the American Empire embraces the armed camp we
call Israel. Along with the Empire's network of similar war camps, we
are seeing former nations stripped of their resources and their
citizens reduced to the level of slaves. We are living in the most
critical times in Human history. The next decade or two will
determine whether we survive as a Free People, or as Slaves, if we
even manage to survive.

Carl Jarvis



On 5/29/16, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com> wrote:
> OK there is some truth there but there are so many international
> corporations, often based in Israel, that are doing the job to us as well.
> Even corporations that we consider to be "American" have their financial
> holdings in international venues.
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Israel Veers Even Further Right
>
> Certainly we can draw similarities between pre-WW II and our present mess,
> but one difference is the economic pressure that was placed on the backs of
> the German people, following WW I, was put there by those wishing to control
> Germany and suck up her resources to enrich the emerging corporations in
> England, Europe and, to some degree, the USA, while today's economic mess is
> caused from within our own borders by Corporate Terrorists, sucking up all
> our resources for their own enrichment.
> Of course, in both cases, it is the working class that suffers and bears the
> brunt of the financial burden as well as for the blame when the house of
> cards collapses.
>
> Carl Jarvis
> On 5/28/16, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The scary thing. And I mean the really scary thing is this is all
>> like, or similar to Weimer Germany in 1933, or the early 1920's with
>> the bombast Mussulini.
>>
>> And what makes it wors or, even more scary is we've got Hilliry
>> playing the
>>
>> puppet.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com>
>> To: <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:04 AM
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Israel Veers Even Further Right
>>
>>
>> As well as the white, daytime TV watching soccer moms.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of joe harcz
>> Comcast
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:31 AM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Israel Veers Even Further Right
>>
>> One correction: It isn't the entire working class that is behind
>> Trump. It is the white, male, older working class.
>>
>> It is a reactionary element that got all it had by fights of
>> socialists in the past and now betrays the history of it all.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
>> To: <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 10:08 PM
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Israel Veers Even Further Right
>>
>>
>>> Well, I don't want to be cynical or anything, and maybe it's because
>>> I just finished that book on BARD about Trump, but let's remember
>>> that it is the working class who are his zealous followers. It is
>>> they who avidly watch reality TV and read all those gossip columns
>>> and articles in People Magazine for all these years, all about
>>> celebrities. It is the working class, who want to be rich like Trump
>>> keeps bragging about and who want to keep outsiders, meaning anyone
>>> who looks different from them, out of our country.
>>> Yes, they're waking up and they're angry. But are they angry because
>>> our country isn't caring for all of us or because they aren't
>>> getting what they want?
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Carl
>>> Jarvis
>>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:04 PM
>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Israel Veers Even Further Right
>>>
>>> It might have been on the streets of New York or Chicago, but this
>>> was not a police action, it was, "an Israeli soldier who was caught
>>> on videotape shooting in the head, at close range, a Palestinian man
>>> who was wounded and lying on the ground, already subdued and
>>> obviously not a threat."
>>> But whether it be soldiers in Palestine or Police in American Slums,
>>> the message is the same. Obey or suffer.
>>> But the tide is turning. The Working Class has begun to stir. Long
>>> suffering men and women are beginning to understand that while the
>>> Ruling Class has the guns, the Working Class has the power to bring
>>> the Empire to its knees, simply by doing nothing. Just staying home,
>>> or under the bridges and in the tent cities. Refusing to harvest the
>>> Master's crops or haul them to market, or to build his mansions or
>>> glass towers, or march in his armies, or patrol the streets and
>>> keeping the Ruling Classes laws.
>>> But it will take understanding by all of those people who are bound
>>> to serve the Empire's Rulers through the purchase of their loyalty
>>> and the promise of a better life than that of the masses. They must
>>> understand that they cannot serve the Masters and be Freemen.
>>> Submitting to the Ruling Class demands obedience. All who serve this
>>> monster will never be free. And they will never be truly safe.
>>>
>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>
>>> On 5/27/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pillar writes: "There already shouldn't have been any doubt about
>>>> the orientation of the current Israeli government and the associated
>>>> obduracy of that government in blocking any path toward resolution
>>>> of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The government led by Benjamin
>>>> Netanyahu is firmly rightist, dominated by those opposed to the
>>>> relinquishing of occupied territory or the creation of a Palestinian
>>>> state."
>>>>
>>>> Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu with Israel's new defense minister
>>>> Avigdor Lieberman. (photo: Getty)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Israel Veers Even Further Right
>>>> By Paul R. Pillar, Consortium News
>>>> 26 May 16
>>>>
>>>> Hillary Clinton says she wants to take the U.S.-Israeli relationship
>>>> "to the next level" even as Prime Minister Netanyahu's right-wing
>>>> regime plumbs new depths of extremism, as ex-CIA analyst Paul R.
>>>> Pillar notes.
>>>> here already shouldn't have been any doubt about the orientation of
>>>> the current Israeli government and the associated obduracy of that
>>>> government in blocking any path toward resolution of the
>>>> Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
>>>> The
>>>> government led by Benjamin Netanyahu is firmly rightist, dominated
>>>> by those opposed to the relinquishing of occupied territory or the
>>>> creation of a Palestinian state.
>>>> Netanyahu, who comes across as one of the more moderate members of
>>>> his own coalition, has paid more lip service than some other members
>>>> of that coalition to the idea of an eventual Palestinian state, but
>>>> he has made clear with other words and actions that he has no
>>>> intention of any such thing coming into being on his watch, or of
>>>> taking any meaningful steps toward such a state coming into being.
>>>> Now come reports that Netanyahu is offering the Defense Ministry to
>>>> former Moldovan nightclub bouncer (and resident of a West Bank
>>>> settlement) Avigdor Lieberman. This will bring into the ruling
>>>> coalition Lieberman's Yisrael Beiteinu party, which even within the
>>>> Israeli context is usually described as "hard right."
>>>> Bringing Lieberman into the government is indicative not only of the
>>>> overall orientation of that government but also of some larger
>>>> disturbing trends in Israeli attitudes that the government has
>>>> fomented more than it has discouraged.
>>>> If Lieberman is made defense minister he would replace Moshe
>>>> Ya'alon, who in recent days has backed the Israeli military in
>>>> prosecuting (though only for manslaughter, not the murder that
>>>> occurred) an Israeli soldier who was caught on videotape shooting in
>>>> the head, at close range, a Palestinian man who was wounded and
>>>> lying on the ground, already subdued and obviously not a threat.
>>>> Lieberman has joined other hardliners in expressing support for the
>>>> soldier.
>>>> (Netanyahu has visited the soldier's family to express sympathy.)
>>>> Netanyahu had been trying to recruit another coalition partner to
>>>> increase his government's thin majority in the Knesset. Talks with
>>>> centrist leader Isaac Herzog fell through; the government evidently
>>>> had more in common with the crude hard right tendencies of Lieberman.
>>>> Perhaps the timing of this latest political move was a natural
>>>> outcome of this sequence of negotiations.
>>>> Or maybe it was at least as much another example of Netanyahu's
>>>> proclivity for poking a stick in the eye of foreign leaders who look
>>>> like they might be getting on his case about the Palestinian
>>>> conflict
>>>> - such as timing an announcement of more settlement expansion to
>>>> coincide with a visit of Vice President Biden. This time the stickee
>>>> is the French government, which is organizing an international
>>>> conference for later this year on Israeli-Palestinian peace.
>>>> All honest outside observers should use the report about Lieberman
>>>> coming into the Israeli government as an occasion to remind
>>>> themselves that this tragic and long-running conflict continues to
>>>> run because one side refuses to end it. The gross asymmetry between
>>>> the two sides is
>>> all-important.
>>>> One side, the occupying power - the side with the firepower - has
>>>> the ability to end the occupation and resolve the conflict if it
>>>> decided to do so. The other side has no such power. That other side,
>>>> the Palestinian side, has tried to use violent resistance but has
>>>> subsequently and correctly drawn the conclusion that such violence
>>>> is not the answer; the violence, unsurprisingly, only stokes
>>>> legitimate fears among Israelis about their security.
>>>> Violence has been continuing in the unplanned, spontaneous, and
>>>> frustration-driven form of young people grabbing knives and stabbing
>>>> the first Israelis they can find. The Palestinian leadership has
>>>> turned to multilateral diplomacy, which, besides popular boycotts,
>>>> is about the only tool it has left. And the Israeli government does
>>>> everything it can to impede and to foil such diplomacy, as it is
>>>> trying to do now with the French initiative.
>>>> A common urge to sound impartial leads to the common refrain that
>>>> the Israeli-Palestinian conflict persists because neither side has
>>>> the political will to settle it. Nonsense. The overwhelming majority
>>>> of Palestinians do not want to continue to live under Israeli
>>>> occupation.
>>>> They have the will but not the power to settle.
>>>> There certainly are divisions and political weakness on the
>>>> Palestinian side
>>>> - of which the Israeli government has striven to prevent any repair,
>>>> such as in "punishing" the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority
>>>> through withholding tax revenue whenever it has moved toward
>>>> reconciliation with Hamas - but there is no significant
>>>> pro-occupation party among Palestinians.
>>>> The hardliners who control Israel policy have the power but - as
>>>> ample evidence, even without Avigdor Lieberman, has shown - not the
>>>> will, as long as third parties do not make them suffer any
>>>> meaningful consequences. They do want the occupation to continue.
>>>> The Netanyahu government's repeated claim that it wants to negotiate
>>>> with the Palestinians should be described as the charade that it is.
>>>> It is understandable that Palestinian leaders have no desire to
>>>> engage in talks that have no prospect of leading to anything, when
>>>> such engagement would just mean participating in the charade while
>>>> the occupation continues and more facts are built on the occupied
>>>> ground.
>>>> The insincerity is all the more obvious when Netanyahu speaks of
>>>> talks with "no preconditions" while at the same time insisting that
>>>> the Palestinians pronounce Israel to be a "Jewish state" - a
>>>> precondition that implicitly limits how the issue of Palestinian
>>>> refugees and right of return can be resolved, and also would mean
>>>> the Palestinian leadership formally signing on to a declaration that
>>>> non-Jewish Israelis are second-class citizens. Those are the only
>>>> things such a pronouncement would mean.
>>>> The Palestinian leadership long ago recognized, formally and
>>>> unequivocally, the state of Israel. As Palestinian leaders have
>>>> noted, that state is free to describe itself any way it wants.
>>>> With the American political system still wearing its usual
>>>> straitjacket on this issue, the main hope right now for taking any
>>>> steps out of this tragic situation lies with the French initiative.
>>>> If the United States is to do anything helpful any time in the
>>>> foreseeable future, it probably will have to come in the remaining
>>>> eight
>>> months of the Obama administration.
>>>> One of the two presumptive presidential nominees speaks of taking
>>>> U.S.-Israeli relations "to the next level" - and it is safe to
>>>> assume she doesn't mean that the next level will consist of imposing
>>>> consequences for the continued occupation.
>>>> The other presumptive presidential nominee caused nervous moments in
>>>> the Israel lobby when he talked about being impartial, but the
>>>> nerves were soothed with a speech to AIPAC that said all the "right"
>>>> things.
>>>> And now he has Sheldon Adelson and Adelson's heavyweight bankroll on
>>>> his side, with everything that implies for this nominee's future
>>>> posture on Israel-related issues if he were to be elected.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> Paul R. Pillar, in his 28 years at the Central Intelligence Agency,
>>>> rose to be one of the agency's top analysts. He is now a visiting
>>>> professor at Georgetown University for security studies. (This
>>>> article first appeared as a blog post at The National Interest's Web
>>>> site.
>>>> Reprinted with author's
>>>> permission.)
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>>>> not valid.
>>>>
>>>> Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu with Israel's new defense minister
>>>> Avigdor Lieberman. (photo: Getty)
>>>>
>>> https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/21/israel-veers-even-further-right/https:
>>>> //consortiumnews.com/2016/05/21/israel-veers-even-further-right/
>>>> Israel Veers Even Further Right
>>>> By Paul R. Pillar, Consortium News
>>>> 26 May 16
>>>> Hillary Clinton says she wants to take the U.S.-Israeli relationship
>>>> "to the next level" even as Prime Minister Netanyahu's right-wing
>>>> regime plumbs new depths of extremism, as ex-CIA analyst Paul R.
>>>> Pillar notes.
>>>> here already shouldn't have been any doubt about the orientation of
>>>> the current Israeli government and the associated obduracy of that
>>>> government in blocking any path toward resolution of the
>>>> Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
>>>> The
>>>> government led by Benjamin Netanyahu is firmly rightist, dominated
>>>> by those opposed to the relinquishing of occupied territory or the
>>>> creation of a Palestinian state.
>>>> Netanyahu, who comes across as one of the more moderate members of
>>>> his own coalition, has paid more lip service than some other members
>>>> of that coalition to the idea of an eventual Palestinian state, but
>>>> he has made clear with other words and actions that he has no
>>>> intention of any such thing coming into being on his watch, or of
>>>> taking any meaningful steps toward such a state coming into being.
>>>> Now come reports that Netanyahu is offering the Defense Ministry to
>>>> former Moldovan nightclub bouncer (and resident of a West Bank
>>>> settlement) Avigdor Lieberman. This will bring into the ruling
>>>> coalition Lieberman's Yisrael Beiteinu party, which even within the
>>>> Israeli context is usually described as "hard right."
>>>> Bringing Lieberman into the government is indicative not only of the
>>>> overall orientation of that government but also of some larger
>>>> disturbing trends in Israeli attitudes that the government has
>>>> fomented more than it has discouraged.
>>>> If Lieberman is made defense minister he would replace Moshe
>>>> Ya'alon, who in recent days has backed the Israeli military in
>>>> prosecuting (though only for manslaughter, not the murder that
>>>> occurred) an Israeli soldier who was caught on videotape shooting in
>>>> the head, at close range, a Palestinian man who was wounded and
>>>> lying on the ground, already subdued and obviously not a threat.
>>>> Lieberman has joined other hardliners in expressing support for the
>>>> soldier.
>>>> (Netanyahu has visited the soldier's family to express sympathy.)
>>>> Netanyahu had been trying to recruit another coalition partner to
>>>> increase his government's thin majority in the Knesset. Talks with
>>>> centrist leader Isaac Herzog fell through; the government evidently
>>>> had more in common with the crude hard right tendencies of Lieberman.
>>>> Perhaps the timing of this latest political move was a natural
>>>> outcome of this sequence of negotiations.
>>>> Or maybe it was at least as much another example of Netanyahu's
>>>> proclivity for poking a stick in the eye of foreign leaders who look
>>>> like they might be getting on his case about the Palestinian
>>>> conflict
>>>> - such as timing an announcement of more settlement expansion to
>>>> coincide with a visit of Vice President Biden. This time the stickee
>>>> is the French government, which is organizing an international
>>>> conference for later this year on Israeli-Palestinian peace.
>>>> All honest outside observers should use the report about Lieberman
>>>> coming into the Israeli government as an occasion to remind
>>>> themselves that this tragic and long-running conflict continues to
>>>> run because one side refuses to end it. The gross asymmetry between
>>>> the two sides is
>>> all-important.
>>>> One side, the occupying power - the side with the firepower - has
>>>> the ability to end the occupation and resolve the conflict if it
>>>> decided to do so. The other side has no such power. That other side,
>>>> the Palestinian side, has tried to use violent resistance but has
>>>> subsequently and correctly drawn the conclusion that such violence
>>>> is not the answer; the violence, unsurprisingly, only stokes
>>>> legitimate fears among Israelis about their security.
>>>> Violence has been continuing in the unplanned, spontaneous, and
>>>> frustration-driven form of young people grabbing knives and stabbing
>>>> the first Israelis they can find. The Palestinian leadership has
>>>> turned to multilateral diplomacy, which, besides popular boycotts,
>>>> is about the only tool it has left. And the Israeli government does
>>>> everything it can to impede and to foil such diplomacy, as it is
>>>> trying to do now with the French initiative.
>>>> A common urge to sound impartial leads to the common refrain that
>>>> the Israeli-Palestinian conflict persists because neither side has
>>>> the political will to settle it. Nonsense. The overwhelming majority
>>>> of Palestinians do not want to continue to live under Israeli
>>>> occupation.
>>>> They have the will but not the power to settle.
>>>> There certainly are divisions and political weakness on the
>>>> Palestinian side
>>>> - of which the Israeli government has striven to prevent any repair,
>>>> such as in "punishing" the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority
>>>> through withholding tax revenue whenever it has moved toward
>>>> reconciliation with Hamas - but there is no significant
>>>> pro-occupation party among Palestinians.
>>>> The hardliners who control Israel policy have the power but - as
>>>> ample evidence, even without Avigdor Lieberman, has shown - not the
>>>> will, as long as third parties do not make them suffer any
>>>> meaningful consequences. They do want the occupation to continue.
>>>> The Netanyahu government's repeated claim that it wants to negotiate
>>>> with the Palestinians should be described as the charade that it is.
>>>> It is understandable that Palestinian leaders have no desire to
>>>> engage in talks that have no prospect of leading to anything, when
>>>> such engagement would just mean participating in the charade while
>>>> the occupation continues and more facts are built on the occupied
>>>> ground.
>>>> The insincerity is all the more obvious when Netanyahu speaks of
>>>> talks with "no preconditions" while at the same time insisting that
>>>> the Palestinians pronounce Israel to be a "Jewish state" - a
>>>> precondition that implicitly limits how the issue of Palestinian
>>>> refugees and right of return can be resolved, and also would mean
>>>> the Palestinian leadership formally signing on to a declaration that
>>>> non-Jewish Israelis are second-class citizens. Those are the only
>>>> things such a pronouncement would mean.
>>>> The Palestinian leadership long ago recognized, formally and
>>>> unequivocally, the state of Israel. As Palestinian leaders have
>>>> noted, that state is free to describe itself any way it wants.
>>>> With the American political system still wearing its usual
>>>> straitjacket on this issue, the main hope right now for taking any
>>>> steps out of this tragic situation lies with the French initiative.
>>>> If the United States is to do anything helpful any time in the
>>>> foreseeable future, it probably will have to come in the remaining
>>>> eight
>>> months of the Obama administration.
>>>> One of the two presumptive presidential nominees speaks of taking
>>>> U.S.-Israeli relations "to the next level" - and it is safe to
>>>> assume she doesn't mean that the next level will consist of imposing
>>>> consequences for the continued occupation.
>>>> The other presumptive presidential nominee caused nervous moments in
>>>> the Israel lobby when he talked about being impartial, but the
>>>> nerves were soothed with a speech to AIPAC that said all the "right"
>>>> things.
>>>> And now he has Sheldon Adelson and Adelson's heavyweight bankroll on
>>>> his side, with everything that implies for this nominee's future
>>>> posture on Israel-related issues if he were to be elected.
>>>>
>>>> Paul R. Pillar, in his 28 years at the Central Intelligence Agency,
>>>> rose to be one of the agency's top analysts. He is now a visiting
>>>> professor at Georgetown University for security studies. (This
>>>> article first appeared as a blog post at The National Interest's Web
>>>> site.
>>>> Reprinted with author's
>>>> permission.)
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>>>> http://e-max.it/posizionamento-siti-web/socialize
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