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From: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 06:21:59 -0700
Subject: Re: [acb-chat] having an id card for Cc: "General discussion
list for ACB members and friends where a wide range of topics from
blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are
welcome. This is a free form discussion list." <acb-chat@acblists.org>
So 1984 is now 34 years old and Big Brother is Bigger and more
confusing than ever before.
Whether you pay nothing for an official ID card, as Abby writes, or
$75 for an official ID card, as posted by the State of Washington,
distracts from the question, Do Americans need official ID cards in
order to prove themselves to be Citizens?
Why, after some 237 years as a nation under our existing Constitution,
do we suddenly need to insist on an official ID card? Maybe we should
simply stamp a little tattoo of an American Flag on the forehead of
each baby born in this Country. Those who come later and are
Naturalized would have a ring inserted in their noses. This would
allow officials to simply hook them and haul them off to the border
when we change our immigration laws.
As I've written before, from the first rumbles of discontent with Good
King George, the Colonists debated just who should have the right to
participate in the newly proposed government. The Constitution spells
it out. White Landholders and Independently Wealthy Men over the age
of 21 years. These Great Forefathers(no fore mothers)feared the
Masses almost as much as they feared the King.
I shouldn't need to, but I'll once again point out that none of the
changes over the years were handed down from the Ruling Class.
Remember, the Status Quo is the Status Quo because it likes itself
just the way it is.
In fact, we see just how far the Ruling Class strays from the truth in
order to tighten who is "allowed" to participate as voters. White
House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders defends the inclusion of a
question on citizenship in the next census, by claiming that it has
been included all along. But a search tells reporters that no such
question has been in the census since 1950.
But why the need to lie about it? And why suddenly all the attention
is placed upon the need for special ID cards? Could there be a real
problem of people voting without being citizens, or voting several
times in the same election? Despite serious penalties, are Muslims
and Mexicans and other non citizens tipping our elections? That's the
rumor. So why don't we simply demand the documented proof before we
go off tilting at windmills?
Or could it be that this is all much to do about nothing? A planned
distraction by the Ruling Class. What's that old saying? If it ain't
broke, don't fix it! Running about like Chicken Little, yelling that
the sky is falling in, takes attention away from the successful
purchase of Senators, Legislators,Governors, Mayors and Dog Catchers
by the Ruling Class. In Washington State, even though there is an
official ID card, we are mailed out our ballots. My ballot comes in
an inaccessible form...print...and I take it to the county courthouse
and use the accessible voting machine. I read the ballot, make my
choices, press a button and the information is transferred to my
ballot, which I can then review before placing it back in its envelope
and handing it to the county clerk. And no one has ever asked to see
my official ID, or my birth certificate, or my passport, or even my
several credit cards. I've been voting since 1956 with no one
wondering if I really am Carl Jarvis. And there are millions just
like me...well, with different names. And the nation has continued
without disruption from the People...just those disruptions from the
inability of congress to pass budgets.
If you do want to restrict the right to vote, then have the gumption
to say so, and to post your reasons. But please stop trying to
convince the rest of us that our troubles will be over if we all have
our Official ID Card.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/28/18, Helen Murphy <murphyhm123@yahoo.com> wrote:
> every body can get a state id card , ssi people can get it I think for 6.00
> for 5 or 10 years. as a senior they mail it automacticlly to you age 65 +
> check with dmv
>
> On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:35:39 AM EDT, Carl
> Jarvis via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>
> Good evening All,
> Good hearing from you, Claude.
> Brian, you are spreading a false message. First, official ID does
> cost in most states. I posted the web information showing a $75 cost
> in Washington State, with a second $75 for the next card when the
> first one expires after four or five years.
> But even worse is your suggestion that such a card will stop people
> from voting more than once. Brian, there are heavy penalties for
> anyone voting more than once, or for voting without being a registered
> voter. An official ID card is simply one more method in preventing
> citizens from voting. If that is your goal, to limit who gets to
> vote, then don't hide behind an official ID card, just say you think
> that poor people should not be able to vote.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
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> On 3/27/18, Claude Everett via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>> I don't know where you live but in California the state ID is not free
>> you
>> have to pay for it, and you have to go to a State department of motor
>> vehicles office to apply for one; then you have to wait for it to be
>> mailed
>> to you at an address, this requires a Financial burden also additional
>> transportation which people may or may not have.
>>
>> Verbally dictated and sent from my iPhone any errors or omissions are
>> solely
>> the responsibility of Siri and not myself
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Brian via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No excuse for not having an id card a state id card it's free and it
>>> is use to show profe of a id or drivers licence. every person who wants
>>> to vote should be made to have one. People will try to vote more
>>> thenonce
>>> this did occure whear I voted in the 2016 election. He did not get to
>>> vote the second time. Rember that voting is a privilage so why the fuss
>>> over an id card. If you wantto vote then get an id card if not then
>>> what
>>> are you hiding?
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 3/16/2018 7:53 AM, Bob Hachey via acb-chat wrote:
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>> Funny thing, the republicans keep crying voter fraud as they push for
>>>> voter ID laws. Please send to me some hard data indicating more than a
>>>> very small amount of said fraud.
>>>> While you and I take the ID for granted, this is not the case for some
>>>> of
>>>> the more disenfranchised among us. Yes, we are blind, but most on this
>>>> list are relatively well connected. Connected to the internet, friends,
>>>> colleagues, etc. For many nonwhites who are elderly, its is not the
>>>> case.
>>>> They spend most of their days alone and often do not have a driver's
>>>> license or other form of ID. They have usually lived in the same place
>>>> for a very long time and don't remember when they registered to vote.
>>>> Do you want to take away their votes? I for one do not.
>>>> Bob Hachey
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