Re: [acb-chat] If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck...

Good Wednesday morning Bob, William, Robin, Ashley and especially my
son James.
If posting the Chris Hedges articles has done nothing else, it has
made very clear that we, each of us, will defend our own prejudices
and personal opinions to the limit. For myself, too much Chris Hedges
results in a "doom and gloom" outlook on our future. As an Optimistic
Pessimist, I hold out hope that one day the Human Species will "find
itself" and we(our future generations)will come out together,
unencumbered by the yoke of some powerful Master.
I think that if I had just one wish for now, it would be that we could
talk among ourselves without so much anger and defensiveness, and the
need to label one another and lash out with hateful words. But then,
that is probably why we are now bombing the Hell out of anyone who
dares stand up to the mighty American Empire. I see that we(Donald
Trump)just announced a 13 billion dollar arms deal with the Saudi
Prince(speaking of how we defend democracy around the world), but
there I go again, wandering down that Marxist road...

Carl Jarvis



On 3/21/18, Bob via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Amen!!
> The progressive/leftist rhetooric goes on and on. Mostly
> opinion/agenda with minimal evidence to support their claims or
> positions.
>
> Bob Clark
>
>
> On 3/20/18, William Grussenmeyer via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
> wrote:
>> I read most of the article by Chris Hedges. You argue not to attack
>> the author, but all the author does is personally attack and insult
>> everyone he can. He calls people names left and right, personally
>> mentioning The Amazon CEO. He calls these people corporate
>> imperialists and constantly insults their credibility. Now you tell
>> me not to attack the credibility of the author after the author so
>> dearly does just that to everyone else?
>> Well, here's a few critique's of the article:
>> 1) Hedges provides no evidence of any of the claims he makes.
>> References please?
>> 2) Hedges spends much of his time insulting people
>> 3) A lot of web filters block out terrorist propaganda which is all
>> over the internet. Hedges fails to mention that.
>> 4) Hedges seems obsessed with promoting many websites in his article
>> mentioning them over and over like the world socialist website.
>> 5) Hedges fails to mention that many people would like to see Israel
>> wiped off the face of the planet and that people have attempted this
>> before so it is fact not fiction.
>> 6) Hedges clearly hates capitalism and mentions it negatively over and
>> over again like the "corporate narrative."
>>
>>
>> On 3/20/18, Robin via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>> I'm a Leftist & Proud of It
>>> At 05:49 AM 3/20/2018, you wrote:
>>>>Hello:
>>>>
>>>> Eric: I do not call people names. If they subscribe to a stated
>>>>philosophy/movement, I, for example, may call them a leftist,
>>>>socialist, etc. You are what you say you are. Don't be so sensitive
>>>>about your self-stated position. For example, you can call me a
>>>>constitutionalist/fiscal conservative because that is exactly what I
>>>>am.
>>>> Ashley: Don't worry. I am not going anywhere. However, I will not
>>>>address certain issues with certain individuals when it becomes
>>>>pointless. On some topics, it is best to agree to disagree.
>>>> As I stated to Carl, time will tell.
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Clark
>>>>
>>>>On 3/19/18, Eric Calhoun via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>> > It is becoming harder to get rides, nshley, and drivers will
>>>> leave you. Our
>>>> > Access Services now records vehicles. And for good reason: Too many
>>>> > many
>>>> > incidents.
>>>> >
>>>> > ..
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric from Los Angeles. Be good to each other. Never sweat the
>>>> small stuff.
>>>> > Speak to your mountain; God moves mountains. Come expecting a
>>>> > miracle!
>>>> > Always have faith! Always reach faster, higher, stronger. Eric on
>>>> > Facebook: eric@pmpmail.com. If you're on Facebook, please come join
>>>> > my
>>>> > Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/631397660379317/
>>>> >
>>>> > ..
>>>> >
>>>> > Great is His faithfulness!
>>>> > Original Message:
>>>> > From: Ashley Bramlett via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> > To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> > range
>>>> > of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
>>>> whatever comes to
>>>> > mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list."
>>>> > <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> > CC: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb@earthlink.net>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [acb-chat] If it looks like a duck, and walks like a
>>>> > duck...
>>>> > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:39:54 +0000
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd contend that if people needed an ID card, they will save enough
>>>> > to
>>>> > get
>>>> > that. I'll research what it costs for MA; but here its $10 in VA.
>>>> > Given we have the program of Snap which is the food stamp program
>>>> > coupled
>>>> > with many nonprofits and faith communities giving out food, I'm sure
>>>> > the
>>>> > poorer folks can find some food.
>>>> > What does seem wrong to me and I think I'll write my state rep on
>>>> > this
>>>> > one
>>>> > is
>>>> > the fact that its harder to obtain the crucial ID whether its your
>>>> > walking
>>>> > ID or driver's license.
>>>> > Its harder because they closed down a DMV location that was more
>>>> > centralized.
>>>> > I'm not sure how many DMVs were closed, but
>>>> > I'm sure that location was not the only one.
>>>> >
>>>> > If the government of Virginia is requiring photo IDs to vote, then it
>>>> > seems
>>>> >
>>>> > to me they ought to have more places to get that ID card.
>>>> >
>>>> > To those thinking having a photo ID card is too hard, here is this
>>>> > one.
>>>> > How about a requirement to show ID for transit.
>>>> > It's a reality here!
>>>> >
>>>> > Two years back, our paratransit system, Metro Access, made a rule
>>>> > that
>>>> > you
>>>> > cannot take your ride without showing your ID.
>>>> > You are required as a rider to show your Metro access ID prior to
>>>> > boarding
>>>> > the vehicle. How do you obtain this ID?
>>>> > First, you must provide the agency a photo ID. Everyone I know has
>>>> > used
>>>> > their state DMV issued walker's ID card or passport.
>>>> > Second, in your interview to use the paratransit system, they look at
>>>> > your
>>>> > IDS and then take your picture.
>>>> > Your photo is digitally saved.
>>>> > Third, your MetroAccesss Id is printed up for you with the photo
>>>> of you they
>>>> >
>>>> > took.
>>>> > I think this last step is done via mail; they mail you the card.
>>>> >
>>>> > What I'm saying is that it's a requirement to have a state issued
>>>> ID to ride
>>>> >
>>>> > Metro Access because your state ID or federally issued ID in your
>>>> > passport
>>>> > is a prerequisite to your procurement of your Metro Access ID.
>>>> > Drivers have typically accepted another form of photo ID if I
>>>> cannot find my
>>>> >
>>>> > Metro Access one.
>>>> > Drivers are getting strict about this rule. I don't like it being in
>>>> > the
>>>> > cold finding my ID card so I've tried to be more organized lately
>>>> and having
>>>> >
>>>> > it more handy. If my coat has a zippered pocket, I might place it
>>>> > there.
>>>> > Some jackets I have do not have that so that is not an option as I do
>>>> > not
>>>> > want to lose my ID if it falls out.
>>>> > I have always thought this rule was inconvenient and a bit unfair.
>>>> > After all, I believe in equal rights and treatment.
>>>> > Nondisabled riders do not have to prove their identity prior to
>>>> > riding
>>>> > transportation.
>>>> > So, why make the disabled rider do so? I thought about that a while.
>>>> > Its due to past issues.
>>>> > I know drivers have picked up wrong people in the past.
>>>> > Making riders show IDs proves who they are and that the driver has
>>>> > the
>>>> > correct client aboard.
>>>> >
>>>> > As Bob Clark said, IDs are a necessity to function in society.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ashley
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Frank Ventura via acb-chat
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:24 PM
>>>> > To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> > range
>>>> > of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
>>>> whatever comes to
>>>> >
>>>> > mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> > Cc: Frank Ventura
>>>> > Subject: Re: [acb-chat] If it looks like a duck, and walks like a
>>>> > duck...
>>>> >
>>>> > Ashley, in many poor communities those non-drive ID cards are not
>>>> > available
>>>> >
>>>> > for many reasons including:
>>>> > a. Poor people work lon hours and can't go to the DMV when it is open
>>>> > b. They can't afford the hefty fees forthose IDs, when it is a
>>>> > choice
>>>> > between feeding families and getting an ID, well you know no.
>>>> > c. Even if they have the time and money, usually they don't have all
>>>> > of
>>>> > the
>>>> >
>>>> > prerequisite documentation. See my previous messages about birth
>>>> > certificates etc.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Ashley Bramlett via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 2:46 PM
>>>> > To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> > range
>>>> > of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
>>>> whatever comes to
>>>> >
>>>> > mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> > <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> > Cc: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb@earthlink.net>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [acb-chat] If it looks like a duck, and walks like a
>>>> > duck...
>>>> >
>>>> > Frank,
>>>> >
>>>> > That is right. I was going to say this too. They do not just
>>>> accept any form
>>>> >
>>>> > of ID. Your medicare card is not an accepted form of ID.
>>>> > I think having a valid ID is okay.
>>>> > We have to show IDS in Virginia.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob Clark said
>>>> > " Voting is certainly one of the major responsibilities that a person
>>>> > has.
>>>> > Using your example of the elderly, I am sure that they have a
>>>> medicare card,
>>>> >
>>>> > social security card, checking account, etc."
>>>> >
>>>> > While I agree it's a major responsibility, it does come with some
>>>> > requirements.
>>>> > In Virginia this means you cannot have felony convictions within a
>>>> > certain
>>>> > time frame.
>>>> > The voter must be a citizen age 18 or above.
>>>> > You also have to vote at a designated polling place based on your
>>>> > address.
>>>> > You also have to have an ID. A state ID card is accepted. A
>>>> drivers' license
>>>> >
>>>> > is accepted. Also your passport is accepted. I know they also accept
>>>> > government employee issued IDS and military IDS. I'm not sure what
>>>> > else.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think everyone should have a ID card who does not drive.
>>>> > I do think the DMV is a hastle. If you have no familyy members to go
>>>> > with,
>>>> > maybe a social worker or volunteer from some civic group can take
>>>> you to get
>>>> >
>>>> > one.
>>>> > Last time at the DMV to renew my ID, they let me cut in line I
>>>> > noticed.
>>>> > An ID card shows who you are and as Bob said it gets you many
>>>> > services
>>>> > such
>>>> >
>>>> > as for flying and banking.
>>>> >
>>>> > I guess I don't have strong feelings about voting and IDS, its just
>>>> > something we've always done.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ashley
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Frank Ventura via acb-chat
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:52 AM
>>>> > To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> > range
>>>> > of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
>>>> whatever comes to
>>>> >
>>>> > mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> > Cc: Frank Ventura
>>>> > Subject: Re: [acb-chat] If it looks like a duck, and walks like a
>>>> > duck...
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob, in the states that require voter IDs, none of the examples you
>>>> > gave
>>>> > would allow someone to vote. Social security/medicare cards are not
>>>> > acceptable forms of ID for voting (not even photo IDs) and a
>>>> > checking
>>>> > account? Seriously you think someone will write a check and that is
>>>> > acceptable forms of ID? Again no photo ID there. The reason driver
>>>> > licenses
>>>> >
>>>> > are held as the holy graile in voter ID states is that many poor,
>>>> > seniors
>>>> > and minorities don't have them. One of the reasons I like living in
>>>> > MA
>>>> > is
>>>> > that I can vote without such nonsense and if my vote is challenged my
>>>> > passport is proof of ID. In voter ID states that is not the case.
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Bob via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>>>> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:57 AM
>>>> > To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> > range
>>>> > of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
>>>> whatever comes to
>>>> >
>>>> > mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> > <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> > Cc: Bob <buildyourownwealth@gmail.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [acb-chat] If it looks like a duck, and walks like a
>>>> > duck...
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob:
>>>> >
>>>> > I do not want to take away anybody's right to vote. Just another
>>>> > example
>>>> >
>>>> > of a liberal's talking point.
>>>> > What I am saying is that a personal id document is required to do
>>>> > most
>>>> > activities in this country. Why should voting be any different?
>>>> > Voting is certainly one of the major responsibilities that a person
>>>> > has.
>>>> > Using your example of the elderly, I am sure that they have a
>>>> medicare card,
>>>> >
>>>> > social security card, checking account, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob clark
>>>> >
>>>> > On 3/16/18, Bob Hachey via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Bob,
>>>> >> Funny thing, the republicans keep crying voter fraud as they push
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> voter ID laws. Please send to me some hard data indicating more than
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> very small amount of said fraud.
>>>> >> While you and I take the ID for granted, this is not the case for
>>>> >> some
>>>> >> of the more disenfranchised among us. Yes, we are blind, but most on
>>>> >> this list are relatively well connected. Connected to the internet,
>>>> >> friends, colleagues, etc. For many nonwhites who are elderly, its is
>>>> >> not the case.
>>>> >> They spend most of their days alone and often do not have a driver's
>>>> >> license or other form of ID. They have usually lived in the same
>>>> >> place
>>>> >> for a very long time and don't remember when they registered to
>>>> >> vote.
>>>> >> Do you want to take away their votes? I for one do not.
>>>> >> Bob Hachey
>>>> >>
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