Re: [blind-democracy] Re: "No Blind Need Apply"...sign on Trump Tower

Mostafa and Anyone Else Interested in Defining What a Nation is.
You wrote, "So, nations are mostly disingenuous until things go
against their private interest."
Once again I ask you, what are you referring to when you say, nations?
The People? The Land lying between artificial borders?
In my simplified view, a nation exists only so long as it is able to
defend its artificial borders, either by superior military force or by
agreements negotiated with its neighboring nations. But within these
artificial borders there exist a variety of interests that separate
the citizens of that nation into self interest groups. These groups
struggle among themselves for dominance. Either one, or a coalition
take control and set the policies and write and enforce their laws.
The nation is then seen by other nations in the image of those who
make up the Ruling Class.
Within the nation however, a variety of struggles go on. Over time or
by external force, a nation's Ruling Class changes. How the new face
of the nation is viewed reflects how its new Ruling Class impacts
those other nations that must live with it. For example the American
view of China, in my lifetime, changed from a picture of simple
peasant farmers, so passive that the aggressive Nipponese(Japanese)
overran them, to a belief that China had turned into a mindless
Communist nation, and to our current picture of China being
our(America's Ruling Classes) greatest competitor.
The United States, at the time victory was declared from England, was
ruled by the Landed Gentry. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and
the people gathered to draft the Constitution were Land Owners,
Gentlemen Farmers, those men whose wealth allowed them some time to
give thought to how these Colonies would shoulder their way into the
World Community.
As World conditions changed, so did the United States of America's
Ruling Class. From Land Holders, to Money Lenders. From Money
Lenders to Military/Industrial Masters.
Two things that I believe have gone unchanged as this nation expanded
and became a world threat, first and foremost, the Ruling Class has
always behaved as an Empire, regardless of who composed the Ruling
Class. Secondly, the vast majority of Americans, the Working Class
that did the dirty work of building and maintaining this Empire, this
Working Class did not change in its basic nature. This major portion
of Americans have been held in place through manipulation, deception,
and outright lies. The Ruling Class has controlled its Working Class
by dividing it into factions, and then turning those factions on one
another. It has even set up its government as a Straw Man. It has
successfully divided the Working Class into Classes, the Upper Class,
the Middle Class, the Working Class, and the Lower Class. The Ruling
Class bestows various rewards upon these Classes, depending upon how
well they serve their Masters.
From this simple look, we could continue into looking at the complex
workings within each of these Classes, and expand to to explore the
complexities of the current American Corporate Empire.
But all of that is an effort in futility. Until we come to realize
that we are all brothers and sisters, different but One People, we are
doomed to continue down this path of self destruction. Artificial
Borders, Classes, Nationalities, Male/Female/Other, Elder, Youth, Rich
or Poor, we are all Brothers and Sisters. As long as you, Mostafa,
see me, Carl Jarvis, as an American rather than as a Brother, we will
continue traveling down the wrong road. As long as either of us place
our trust in some "Great Being" rather than looking within ourselves,
we are doomed.
It's ironic. We rail against the Evils of others, while defending to
the death the very Forces that are killing us all.

Cordially Yours,
Carl Jarvis

On 9/14/18, Mostafa <ebob824@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, each and everyone knows for sure what it means to be an American
> citizen settling abroad in the current circumstances. Americans chose
> for themselves. No one coerced them to go to Iraq. I knew it was
> Bush's decision however, he didn't go there on his own. You may look
> at polls prior to launching airstrikes on Iraq versus what people said
> afterward. Double standard is practiced all the time. Likewise are
> Egyptians, when Sisi committed the ungracious coup against an elected
> government, people stood with him in his oppression. Now, people hate
> him not because he murders and imprisons innocents, but because their
> economic status has substantially exacerbated in his era. So, nations
> are mostly disingenuous until things go against their private
> interest. All what we think of as people is food, proper job and
> shelter. People do not chant anti government sentiment because it is
> corrupted or because it imposes subjection. We only despise them when
> things worsen on our side. Note though, I do not fend for the
> brotherhood party, I just destined to utter the truth.
>
>
>
> Mustafa
>
>
> On 9/14/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> That's true. There are blind people who are Trump supporters. They are
>> misguided. All of the working people and middle income people who voted
>> for
>> him and who still support him are deluded, and they don't understand what
>> is
>> in their own interests. And it isn't only Evangelical Christians.
>> However,
>> if the Democratic Party had been concerned about the needs of the
>> majority
>> of people in the US, rather than with pleasing its wealthy supporters,
>> Bill
>> Clinton would have been a different kind of President. We wouldn't have
>> had
>> a George W. Bush. We wouldn't have had a 9/11 attack or an Iraq war. Our
>> history might have been very different and Donald Trump would never have
>> had
>> a chance to be elected.
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:59 PM
>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>; dselset@aol.com;
>> Jennifer Ford <dandjford88@live.com>
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: "No Blind Need Apply"...sign on Trump
>> Tower
>>
>> Miriam, Donald Trump is broadly idolised among white southern
>> evangelists.
>> There are plenty of pro Trump protagonists within blind faith folks.
>>
>> On 9/13/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> I would love to forward this to every blindness list I'm on for all
>>> those blind Trump supporters to read. But I just don't feel like
>>> dealing with the fallout. If you only knew what hysteria there was on
>>> the BARD Talk list because of the announcement of Woodward's book,
>>> Fear, first being on Bookshare and then yesterday, on BARD. I have my
>>> own criticisms of all these books but these people just refuse to
>>> believe what the books report. First it was Michael Wolff's book, now
>>> this
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:56 AM
>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>> Cc: delores selset <dselset@aol.com>; Jennifer Ford
>>> <dandjford88@live.com>
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] "No Blind Need Apply"...sign on Trump Tower
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to peek into Donald Trumps mind and see what
>>> he thinks of America's Blind Citizens. The following note could give
>>> us a hint.
>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>
>>> President Donald Trump allegedly ordered an architect not to include
>>> braille in Trump Tower elevator panels because "no blind people" would
>>> live in his building—even after being informed that excluding the
>>> tactile writing system is against federal law.
>>> The alleged interaction was recounted by Barbara Res, who led
>>> construction at the Trump Organization, in an opinion piece in the New
>>> York Daily News on Wednesday.
>>> "What's this?" Trump, noticing the small raised dots, reportedly asked
>>> the architect who went to his office to show what the residential
>>> elevator interiors would look like.
>>> "Braille," the architect responded.
>>> Trump apparently demanded that the architect take the feature out.
>>> "We can't," the architect replied. "It's the law."
>>> "Get rid of the [expletive] braille. No blind people are going to live
>>> in Trump Tower," Trump shouted, according to Res. "Just do it."
>>> The architect pushed back, making Trump yet more mad. The future
>>> president also apparently called the architect weak, considered
>>> architects and engineers to be weak unlike construction workers, and
>>> enjoyed tormenting weak people.
>>> Trump ordered "outrageous or just plain stupid ideas, both legal and
>>> illegal. Sometimes those lines were blurred," Res wrote.
>>>
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