Re: [blind-democracy] Re: "No Blind Need Apply"...sign on Trump Tower

Carl:
I doubt that Mr. Evans can conceive anything more politically complicated than Islamic Fundamentalism!
Richard

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> On Sep 14, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mostafa and Anyone Else Interested in Defining What a Nation is.
> You wrote, "So, nations are mostly disingenuous until things go
> against their private interest."
> Once again I ask you, what are you referring to when you say, nations?
> The People? The Land lying between artificial borders?
> In my simplified view, a nation exists only so long as it is able to
> defend its artificial borders, either by superior military force or by
> agreements negotiated with its neighboring nations. But within these
> artificial borders there exist a variety of interests that separate
> the citizens of that nation into self interest groups. These groups
> struggle among themselves for dominance. Either one, or a coalition
> take control and set the policies and write and enforce their laws.
> The nation is then seen by other nations in the image of those who
> make up the Ruling Class.
> Within the nation however, a variety of struggles go on. Over time or
> by external force, a nation's Ruling Class changes. How the new face
> of the nation is viewed reflects how its new Ruling Class impacts
> those other nations that must live with it. For example the American
> view of China, in my lifetime, changed from a picture of simple
> peasant farmers, so passive that the aggressive Nipponese(Japanese)
> overran them, to a belief that China had turned into a mindless
> Communist nation, and to our current picture of China being
> our(America's Ruling Classes) greatest competitor.
> The United States, at the time victory was declared from England, was
> ruled by the Landed Gentry. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and
> the people gathered to draft the Constitution were Land Owners,
> Gentlemen Farmers, those men whose wealth allowed them some time to
> give thought to how these Colonies would shoulder their way into the
> World Community.
> As World conditions changed, so did the United States of America's
> Ruling Class. From Land Holders, to Money Lenders. From Money
> Lenders to Military/Industrial Masters.
> Two things that I believe have gone unchanged as this nation expanded
> and became a world threat, first and foremost, the Ruling Class has
> always behaved as an Empire, regardless of who composed the Ruling
> Class. Secondly, the vast majority of Americans, the Working Class
> that did the dirty work of building and maintaining this Empire, this
> Working Class did not change in its basic nature. This major portion
> of Americans have been held in place through manipulation, deception,
> and outright lies. The Ruling Class has controlled its Working Class
> by dividing it into factions, and then turning those factions on one
> another. It has even set up its government as a Straw Man. It has
> successfully divided the Working Class into Classes, the Upper Class,
> the Middle Class, the Working Class, and the Lower Class. The Ruling
> Class bestows various rewards upon these Classes, depending upon how
> well they serve their Masters.
> From this simple look, we could continue into looking at the complex
> workings within each of these Classes, and expand to to explore the
> complexities of the current American Corporate Empire.
> But all of that is an effort in futility. Until we come to realize
> that we are all brothers and sisters, different but One People, we are
> doomed to continue down this path of self destruction. Artificial
> Borders, Classes, Nationalities, Male/Female/Other, Elder, Youth, Rich
> or Poor, we are all Brothers and Sisters. As long as you, Mostafa,
> see me, Carl Jarvis, as an American rather than as a Brother, we will
> continue traveling down the wrong road. As long as either of us place
> our trust in some "Great Being" rather than looking within ourselves,
> we are doomed.
> It's ironic. We rail against the Evils of others, while defending to
> the death the very Forces that are killing us all.
>
> Cordially Yours,
> Carl Jarvis
>
>> On 9/14/18, Mostafa <ebob824@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, each and everyone knows for sure what it means to be an American
>> citizen settling abroad in the current circumstances. Americans chose
>> for themselves. No one coerced them to go to Iraq. I knew it was
>> Bush's decision however, he didn't go there on his own. You may look
>> at polls prior to launching airstrikes on Iraq versus what people said
>> afterward. Double standard is practiced all the time. Likewise are
>> Egyptians, when Sisi committed the ungracious coup against an elected
>> government, people stood with him in his oppression. Now, people hate
>> him not because he murders and imprisons innocents, but because their
>> economic status has substantially exacerbated in his era. So, nations
>> are mostly disingenuous until things go against their private
>> interest. All what we think of as people is food, proper job and
>> shelter. People do not chant anti government sentiment because it is
>> corrupted or because it imposes subjection. We only despise them when
>> things worsen on our side. Note though, I do not fend for the
>> brotherhood party, I just destined to utter the truth.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mustafa
>>
>>
>>> On 9/14/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> That's true. There are blind people who are Trump supporters. They are
>>> misguided. All of the working people and middle income people who voted
>>> for
>>> him and who still support him are deluded, and they don't understand what
>>> is
>>> in their own interests. And it isn't only Evangelical Christians.
>>> However,
>>> if the Democratic Party had been concerned about the needs of the
>>> majority
>>> of people in the US, rather than with pleasing its wealthy supporters,
>>> Bill
>>> Clinton would have been a different kind of President. We wouldn't have
>>> had
>>> a George W. Bush. We wouldn't have had a 9/11 attack or an Iraq war. Our
>>> history might have been very different and Donald Trump would never have
>>> had
>>> a chance to be elected.
>>>
>>> Miriam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:59 PM
>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>; dselset@aol.com;
>>> Jennifer Ford <dandjford88@live.com>
>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: "No Blind Need Apply"...sign on Trump
>>> Tower
>>>
>>> Miriam, Donald Trump is broadly idolised among white southern
>>> evangelists.
>>> There are plenty of pro Trump protagonists within blind faith folks.
>>>
>>>> On 9/13/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> I would love to forward this to every blindness list I'm on for all
>>>> those blind Trump supporters to read. But I just don't feel like
>>>> dealing with the fallout. If you only knew what hysteria there was on
>>>> the BARD Talk list because of the announcement of Woodward's book,
>>>> Fear, first being on Bookshare and then yesterday, on BARD. I have my
>>>> own criticisms of all these books but these people just refuse to
>>>> believe what the books report. First it was Michael Wolff's book, now
>>>> this
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:56 AM
>>>> To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@freelists.org>
>>>> Cc: delores selset <dselset@aol.com>; Jennifer Ford
>>>> <dandjford88@live.com>
>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] "No Blind Need Apply"...sign on Trump Tower
>>>>
>>>> It would be interesting to peek into Donald Trumps mind and see what
>>>> he thinks of America's Blind Citizens. The following note could give
>>>> us a hint.
>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>
>>>> President Donald Trump allegedly ordered an architect not to include
>>>> braille in Trump Tower elevator panels because "no blind people" would
>>>> live in his building—even after being informed that excluding the
>>>> tactile writing system is against federal law.
>>>> The alleged interaction was recounted by Barbara Res, who led
>>>> construction at the Trump Organization, in an opinion piece in the New
>>>> York Daily News on Wednesday.
>>>> "What's this?" Trump, noticing the small raised dots, reportedly asked
>>>> the architect who went to his office to show what the residential
>>>> elevator interiors would look like.
>>>> "Braille," the architect responded.
>>>> Trump apparently demanded that the architect take the feature out.
>>>> "We can't," the architect replied. "It's the law."
>>>> "Get rid of the [expletive] braille. No blind people are going to live
>>>> in Trump Tower," Trump shouted, according to Res. "Just do it."
>>>> The architect pushed back, making Trump yet more mad. The future
>>>> president also apparently called the architect weak, considered
>>>> architects and engineers to be weak unlike construction workers, and
>>>> enjoyed tormenting weak people.
>>>> Trump ordered "outrageous or just plain stupid ideas, both legal and
>>>> illegal. Sometimes those lines were blurred," Res wrote.
>>>>
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