Re: [acb-chat] [POTENTIAL SPAM] - [EXTERNAL] Re: This is a good start

This is Carl Jarvis, responding to John's note regarding the TPP.
First, I have not read the TPP document. It is long and mostly out of
reach by me, since there seems to be no Braille copy. And think of
how much space this huge document would take, if it were in Braille.
But yes, I do believe TPP will impact American jobs. And for certain
it will have an impact on the wages of working class Americans. Read
what Senator Elizabeth Warren and Rosa DeLauro have to say:
******

By Elizabeth Warren and Rosa DeLauro   MAY 11, 2015

CONGRESS IS in an intense debate over trade bills that will shape the
course of the US economy for decades. Much of this debate has been
characterized
as a fight over whether international trade itself creates or destroys
American jobs. There is, however, another major concern — that modern
"trade" agreements
are often less about trade and more about giant multinational
corporations finding new ways to rig the economic system to benefit
themselves. Hillary Clinton
has said that the "United States should be advocating a level and fair
playing field, not special favors" for big business, in our trade
deals. We agree
with this blunt assessment – and believe every member of Congress
should consider this carefully before voting to help advance these
agreements.

Advocates of the pending Trans-Pacific Partnership, a massive
12-country agreement, sell this proposal as a free trade deal — but
the United States already
has free trade agreements with half of the countries at the
negotiating table, and only five of the treaty's 29 draft chapters
reportedly deal with traditional
trade issues. While reducing traditional barriers to trade with
countries like Japan will facilitate some international commerce, the
TPP is about more
than reducing tariffs.
The president argues that the TPP is about who will "write the rules"
for 40 percent of the world's economy — the United States or China.
But who is writing
the TPP? The text has been classified and the public isn't permitted
to see it, but 28 trade advisory committees have been intimately
involved in the negotiations.
Of the 566 committee members, 480, or 85 percent, are senior corporate
executives or representatives from industry lobbying groups. Many of
the advisory
committees are made up entirely of industry representatives.

A rigged process leads to a rigged outcome. For evidence of that tilt,
look at a key TPP provision: Investor-State Dispute Settlement where
big companies
get the right to challenge laws they don't like in front of
industry-friendly arbitration panels that sit outside of any court
system. Those panels can
force taxpayers to write huge checks to big corporations — with no
appeals. Workers, environmentalists, and human rights advocates don't
get that special
right.


On 1/25/17, Tod Fassl via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
> So why are you posting it then? Koch Bros paying you? I like to think so,
> I'd hate to think you're doing their dirty work for free. It's a totally
> chickenshit thing to say, "It's not me saying this sh*t, I'm just reporting
> what I've read.." Right out of Rush Limbaugh's playbook.
>
>
> Tod Fassl == fassl.tod@gmail.com
>
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Demaya, Diego via acb-chat
>> <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>
>> You keep missing out John. It is not me talking when I post articles. I am
>> not a blogger. I may concur or disagree by a comment or observation, but
>> again, the articles posted were not written by me. Perhaps you should
>> voice your concerns to those writers?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Heim via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:32 AM
>> To: issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are 'welcome.' This is a
>> free form discussion 'list.
>> Cc: John Heim
>> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] [POTENTIAL SPAM] - [EXTERNAL] Re: This is a good
>> start
>>
>> The point is that, as usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are
>> talking about.
>>
>> You don't know the first thing about the TPP but that doesn't stop you
>> from bloviating about it. Your claim to have an open mind on this issue,
>> any issue for that matter, is ludicrous as everyone on this list has
>> seen. Facts don't matter to you.
>>
>>
>> Your claim to have an open mind on this issue, any issue for that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 01/25/2017 09:05 AM, Demaya, Diego via acb-chat wrote:
>>> John, I read everything with an open mind! How about you? Are you going
>>> to seriously tell me that people remember the idiotic provisions of an
>>> international trade agreement? Hahahahahahahahahahahehehehh!
>>>
>>> Last I checked, they don't even require such a foolish thing in college!
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Heim via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 7:17 AM
>>> To: issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are 'welcome.' This is a
>>> free form discussion 'list.
>>> Cc: John Heim
>>> Subject: [POTENTIAL SPAM] - [EXTERNAL] Re: [acb-chat] This is a good
>>> start
>>>
>>> Diego, what exactly do you know about the TPP? Right now, as you read
>>> this, can you name even one provision? Can you name the other countries
>>> in the TPP? I doubt you can name more than 2 or 3 and even those would be
>>> guesses. This is just another victory for ignorance and superstition. I
>>> don't know what else to call an irrational fear of the TPP but a
>>> superstition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You know what made up most of the TPP treaty? Agreements for other
>>> countries to bring their standards more in line with ours. Stuff like
>>> wages, shorter work weeks, overtime, child labor regulations, safety and
>>> pollution controls. What did we give up? Practically nothing. All the
>>> countries in the TPP are already members of the WTO and therefore we
>>> already have a free trade agreement with them. So you're asking, if we
>>> give up nothing, why did *they* sign? The answer is that they are hoping
>>> the next time Apple or Dell Computers builds a factory overseas, instead
>>> of building it in China, they build it in their country. Tearing up the
>>> TPP is the best thing President Trump could have done for China. Happy
>>> day after the inauguration, China!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/23/2017 03:01 PM, Demaya, Diego via acb-chat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trump Signs Executive Order Killing Obama's Legacy Trade Deal
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Pickrell
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dailycaller.com_author_ryan-2Dpickrell_&d=DwMFAg&c=cBOA5YEoZuz9KdLvh38YxdrPtfJt83ckXekfBgq5xB0&r=CK8oOj7-JYZnTDmB5orNTVZXar6NrsnGtGHfQ5m79Do&m=p3yUpmKsFIyc-vvBnO1v6RS-kFXMZaXoKwIex2lxKqM&s=UCwn3PVpqd0niOLRFlcvWKKiTPHV-mYThP02ogXfv5Y&e=>
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>>>
>>>
>>> 12:06 PM 01/23/2017
>>>
>>> 4689
>>>
>>> 31
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> President Donald Trump signed an executive order Monday withdrawing
>>> from the legacy trade agreement former President Barack Obama worked on
>>> for years.
>>>
>>> Trump withdrew
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_AP_status_823573493132525568&d=DwMFAg&c=cBOA5YEoZuz9KdLvh38YxdrPtfJt83ckXekfBgq5xB0&r=CK8oOj7-JYZnTDmB5orNTVZXar6NrsnGtGHfQ5m79Do&m=p3yUpmKsFIyc-vvBnO1v6RS-kFXMZaXoKwIex2lxKqM&s=h2-T1X5iqsbanMxeVLV6PmGBSpRMHSMQt_vX3KZ7sH8&e=>
>>> from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), fulfilling a campaign promise.
>>> The withdrawal was among the first orders of the day.
>>>
>>> The Trump administration intends to pursue "trade deals working for
>>> all Americans." According to the updated White House website
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitehouse.gov_trade-2Ddeals-2Dworking-2Dall-2Damericans&d=DwMFAg&c=cBOA5YEoZuz9KdLvh38YxdrPtfJt83ckXekfBgq5xB0&r=CK8oOj7-JYZnTDmB5orNTVZXar6NrsnGtGHfQ5m79Do&m=p3yUpmKsFIyc-vvBnO1v6RS-kFXMZaXoKwIex2lxKqM&s=wwNdYDnnt8UK-myv4ZJftgkgsuYR3xt5ybGoPHYZh48&e=>
>>> , "this strategy starts by withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
>>> and making certain that any new trade deals are in the interests of
>>> American workers."
>>>
>>> On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly criticized the TPP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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