Re: [acb-chat] just some food for thought

A good question, Jack. Just who is going to do our menial grunge work
if we keep the Hispanics on the Mexican side of the continent? As far
as American citizens doing the labor in the fields, it's not a
question of being too lazy. It's a question of not earning enough to
afford to exist.
As a child, we would load up the old Hudson and head out to explore
our great state of Washington. In Central Washington, around Yakima,
I remember seeing long rows of what looked like large chicken hatches.
I asked my dad what sort of animals were kept there. "Human animals",
he told me. "Those are the shacks the laborers live in when they're
picking crops.
As a teenager, along with a bunch of school chums, I spent my summers
picking strawberries and beans and pie cherries. Back in 1952 through
1954, I tucked away enough to pay for my first year at college. Of
course back then college was close to free. Tuition for a quarter was
$50. Books ran about $3 or $4 each. I lived at home and spent ten
cents each way on the bus. On a good day I could earn about $12, and
seldom less than $8. Most of the farmers had trucks or buses that
would park early in the morning at the Sears parking lot. Many of the
men from Skid Road would show up, along with large numbers of migrant
workers. Usually the Skid Road men would pick one day and then be
gone for the next two or three days. The migrant workers showed up
every day. Some of them, mostly mothers who were hauling small
children along, could pick about $20 in a day. My best day ever was
$15. Beans paid 2.5 cents a pound. Strawberries paid by the
flat...but I've forgotten how much that was.
It was hard, dirty, hot work. But I was a teenager out with a crowd
of friends. The others were trying to earn enough to survive. They
were not young, and they were not having fun.
Over the years during which I worked in an office with a great number
of white collar folks, there was a tendency to "Put Down" manual
laborers. And among the government workers there was status snobbery.
Supervisors looked down on clerical, managers looked down on their
staffs, and Directors felt superior to everyone. I used to tell my
coworkers that our boss was the state legislature. And the
legislature, mostly self employed or doctors or professors, believed
that all state workers were slugs and whiners. From Director to
Janitor, we were all a blight on humanity.
My dad was fond of saying, "There is dignity in all labor". But we
live in a world whose bottom line is profit. So we screw down on
those beneath us in order to squeeze every extra red cent out of their
labor. We sneer at them and belittle them and tell them that they
made their own bed.
If we truly believe that some of us are superior to others and deserve
to be treated royally, then there is no answer to your question. But
if we believe that together we can assist one another to realize our
maximum potential, then we must take action.
First we need to come together and discuss our common outcomes, our
goals. Then we must discuss how to structure a government that will
support our goals. Then we must plan on the most effective way of
transforming our existing government. This would be nice and easy
except for one sticky little point. Those now in control do not have
any plans to turn over control.

Carl Jarvis



On 1/9/19, Jack Zimmerman via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
> Here is a question I have asked many many times and no one has ever aniwered
> it to my satisfaction so I'll ask it on here.
> Who pray tell, just exactly who, do tell me? Is gonna do the jobs
> immigrants are willing to do, to make money to suppot their families to try
> and MAKE a better life for themselves? Who is gonnd do that work that
> american workers do not want to do or have become TO Lazy or uncarsh to
> do?? THE late John MacCain said something I really liked. And I am not his
> biggest fan but he said, America became great from pulling walls DOWN, not
> building them!
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> Jack and Bex
> :-)
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>> On Jan 8, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Carl Jarvis via acb-chat
>> <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ray, and a special Hello to those Left Wing Mumbo Jumbos.
>> I've never been able to understand why some folks need to discredit
>> the opinions of others. I mean, like, did someone crown them God All
>> Mighty?
>> This goes back to my problem with labeling. We say, "mumbo jumbo" and
>> that labels what the other person says as stupid. If this is how some
>> folks like to be treated, just email me off-list and I'll fill your
>> quota of insults. But on this list we ought to treat others opinions
>> in the manner we want our opinions treated...we don't have to believe
>> them, but we can at least treat them with respect.
>> Ray wrote: "the steady influx of outsiders does nothing more than
>> weaken America."
>> Good comment, Ray. Do you know who first uttered those words? It was
>> Sitting Bull. And was he right! Old SB had been fighting for a wall
>> along the Eastern Seaboard. His fellow Chieftains argued that a few
>> foreigners would be okay for the Buffalo hunts and the smoking of the
>> tons of meat needed for survival over the long cold winters.
>> I think it's just Human Nature that gives us that, "Dog in the Manger"
>> attitude. We got this land and we're damned if we're gonna share.
>>
>> I was talking with Kicks a Hole in the Sky, and Everybody Talks About,
>> the other day outside their brand new Casino and Guest Hotel, right
>> next to their 18 hole golf course.
>> "Let the immigrants come on over," they told me. "You White folk
>> don't want to work, and you're undependable and always bitching about
>> wanting more money."
>> "You got some place to talk," I came back. "Look at all the garbage
>> you guys toss out your doors until it's higher than the houses".
>> "We're just protecting the land," they told me.
>> Damned uppity Indians, anyway!
>>
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 1/8/19, Ray Williams via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>> it would seem that the left wing mumbo jumbo holds sway here also.
>>> did anyone ever stop to think that he may just be correct in trying to
>>> do something about this countrys lax security? after all, the influx
>>> of central and south American people is in fact nothing more than a
>>> slow motion invasion. that is in fact the case no matter how uyoiu
>>> look at it. the steady influx of outsiders does nothing more than
>>> weaken America. and if that is not enough, the demos seem hell-bent
>>> on grabbing total power at any cost. they just don't care about you
>>> or me at all. they want power just for the sake of having power. in
>>> point of fact, they have nothing constructive to add at this point.
>>> all they want is to tear down what has been built at such high const
>>> by those who have gone before us---ray
>>>
>>>> On 1/8/19, Bob Hachey via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>> Thanks for sharing and I stand corrected. Somehow, I thought maybe it
>>>> was
>>>> the cap on state tax deductions that got you.
>>>> This elimination of deductible expenses will be very hard on many folks
>>>> as
>>>> you say and could hit many small businesses very hard if I'm
>>>> understanding
>>>> this stuff correctly. Trump and the Republicans promised to simplify
>>>> the
>>>> tax
>>>> code, but it llooks like they simply created a different set of winners
>>>> and
>>>> losers. This looks to be a more regressive tax code. Hey there,
>>>> Republicans,
>>>> thanks a heap!!!
>>>> Bob Hachey
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Frank Ventura via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:00 PM
>>>> To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> range
>>>> of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever
>>>> comes
>>>> to
>>>> mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> Cc: Frank Ventura
>>>> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] just some food for thought
>>>>
>>>> Bob, I have a great deal of out-of-pocket work related expenses that
>>>> are
>>>> not
>>>> reimbursed by my employer. In the past I have taken them as federal
>>>> deductions. According to my tax accountant, under the new code those
>>>> are
>>>> eliminated in lieu of an increased standard deduction which still is
>>>> considerably less than the deduction I was getting due to those
>>>> expenses.
>>>> With the increase in health care insurance cost (11 percent) and
>>>> reduction
>>>> in pay (2 percent), 2018 was an horrific year financially for me. Don't
>>>> even
>>>> get me started on the rather steep rise in prescription drug costs.
>>>> Can you imagine how bad this will be for folks who have lots of work
>>>> expenses like plumbers or auto technicians? I suspect many working
>>>> folks
>>>> will be pushed into unemployment because it will be too expenseive to
>>>> stay
>>>> working.
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Hachey via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>> To: 'General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> range
>>>> of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever
>>>> comes
>>>> to
>>>> mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.'
>>>> <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> Cc: Bob Hachey <bhachey@verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] just some food for thought
>>>>
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>> I didn't know that the Republican tax cuts actualy raised taxes for
>>>> some.
>>>> Please explain how your tax burden increased by that substantial
>>>> amount.
>>>> Was it because investments you have made substantial gains in 2018? Is
>>>> it
>>>> possible that these tax policy changes were worse than I'd thought? One
>>>> thing is for sure, they have markendly increased our national debt. Our
>>>> taxes were reduced slightly.
>>>> We really do need to return to some of the fairer tax policies we had
>>>> before
>>>> the regan devolution.
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Frank Ventura via acb-chat [mailto:acb-chat@acblists.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 2:28 AM
>>>> To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> range
>>>> of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever
>>>> comes
>>>> to
>>>> mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> Cc: Frank Ventura
>>>> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] just some food for thought
>>>>
>>>> Hmm... lets see my 20188 tax burden will be $18k more than what I paid
>>>> in
>>>> 2017, even though my income was less. Well at least my accountant won't
>>>> have
>>>> so much work to do. RIP poor departed working class.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: William Grussenmeyer via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 6:20 PM
>>>> To: General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
>>>> range
>>>> of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever
>>>> comes
>>>> to
>>>> mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list.
>>>> <acb-chat@acblistsorg>
>>>> Cc: William Grussenmeyer <wdg31415@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] just some food for thought
>>>>
>>>> Trump is great, Helen. You just don't like him because he does not
>>>> want
>>>> to
>>>> give anyone a free handout.
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/6/19, Helen Murphy via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>>> WE HAVE A TOTAL MADMAN IN OFFICE, HE CARES OF NO ONE, WORKERS,
>>>>> DISABLED, THE ELDERLY, CHILDREN, MOTHERS WITH INFANTS, PLEASE WAKE ME
>>>>> UP WHEN THE NIGHTMARE IS ALL OVER , HE IS HURTING THE WORKING PERSON,
>>>>> AS WELL THE MANS JUST PURE EVIL,
>>>>>
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