----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Jarvis" <carjar82@gmail.com>
To: "Blind Democracy Discussion List" <blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage" petition
Good point Roger.
In saying that there is dignity in all labor, I did not include torture or
murder or drone attacks or military actions. I can respect the labor
performed by the local police officers, but be strongly opposed to their
violent attacks on peaceful protesters.
Under our current system, I can respect the bank president's labor in
running an efficient bank, but work to have him tossed in jail for rigging
home loans or for illegal foreclosures. I can also object to his being paid
400 times what his employees are paid.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@aol.com>
To: "Blind Democracy Discussion List" <blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage" petition
Here's hoping that banking does become obsolete. To equate banking with
garbage collecting is like the slave who has just been whipped saying,
"I really respect that slavemaster, He put in a lot of work beating me.
I am in so much pain that I know he put in a lot of work. I have to
respect a man who works that hard."
On 7/25/2013 10:23 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
> In saying that there is dignity in all labor, we do not place value on one
> job or another. We respect *All labor. The bank president, in respecting
> all other's labor, pays a decent living wage to those he/she...not that I
> know of any she bank presidents, but he/she pays out of respect for the
> job
> well done, not for the particular type of work.
> And the bank board pays the bank president out of respect for a job well
> done.
> Rather than try to talk about which labor is more critical to our well
> being, we simply come to understand that All labor is of value, or it will
> become obsolete. The jobs and services that are important to my current
> situation are very different than those for you who live in cities. I do
> not ride the public transit, since it does not run out here. But I see
> the
> value and I respect the drivers who provide that service to others.
> Once a month the Ferrier comes around and trims the horses hooves and puts
> on new shoes. I have great respect for this man's talent and skill. You
> most likely don't need such services, and yet you certainly can respect
> such
> labor.
> I have another thought, but I'll send it later.
> But just think about how the Ruling Class treats labor...and that includes
> you and me.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alice Dampman Humel" <alicedh@verizon.net>
> To: "Blind Democracy Discussion List" <blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage" petition
>
>
> Well, they've certainly done something very different...and let me hasten
> to
> say I am no friend of bank presidents, but the trash collector, who I
> admit,
> day to day performs an extremely valuable and necessary service that
> deserves to be at the very least well-paid and very well-respected, did
> not
> process your mortgage...
> If we're going to say that all labor has value and dignity, then can we
> really pick and choose?
> And, believe you me, I've got some problems applying that dignity thing
> evenly across the board, too...so I'm not getting preachy...but is this
> not
> what we strive toward, respect and dignity for all, not only those who
> agree
> with us? Again, I admit, it's really hard, and I can't do it either...I
> could
> list all kinds of people for whom I have no respect, who I feel don't
> deserve my respect, who by their actions merit my contempt (and get it),
> so...
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Gary Ketler <gketler@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> All I can say is that trash collectors have done more for me than a bank
>> president has.
>>
>> From: R. E. Driscoll Sr
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:57 PM
>> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage" petition
>>
>> Are we now seeing basic raw bias or are we seeing one line ad lib
>> comments?
>> On 7/24/2013 8:50 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:
>>> By all means. Now if that bank president would make himself useful by
>>> hauling a little trash then he might be worth something.
>>> On 7/24/2013 9:46 PM, Gary Ketler wrote:
>>>> The trash collector is more important than the bank president is, as
>>>> far
>>>> as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Roger Loran Bailey
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:44 PM
>>>> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage"
>>>> petition
>>>>
>>>> I would ask, who is to say that the bank president is worth less than
>>>> the guy hauling trash? Well, I, for one, would.
>>>> On 7/24/2013 11:16 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>> Good points. I'm also working on a tight contract that will not go up
>>>>> even
>>>>> if the wage minimum is raised. But these things sort themselves out
>>>>> once
>>>>> the ball gets rolling.
>>>>> As for wondering about unskilled workers making more than me, I repeat
>>>>> my
>>>>> dad's words, "There is dignity in all labor." Who is to say that the
>>>>> fellow
>>>>> hauling trash is more or less valuable to the community than the bank
>>>>> president? In the eye of the Corporate Empire, we are all the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: mailto:ckrugman@sbcglobal.net
>>>>> To: "Blind Democracy Discussion List"
>>>>> mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage"
>>>>> petition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The only problem with raising the minimum wage is that when it is done
>>>>> those
>>>>> people who are on fixed incomes such people on SSI or public
>>>>> assistance
>>>>> are
>>>>> forgotten about as their benefit levels are not raised accordingly so
>>>>> their
>>>>> purchasing power is eroded and they fall deeper below the safety net
>>>>> and
>>>>> exprerience greater challenges to survival. Unless the needs of
>>>>> thispopulation are considered I am very cautious about supporting
>>>>> raises in
>>>>> the minimum. Additionally, as a self employed professional my hourly
>>>>> rate or
>>>>> what I bid on to complete projects does not get raised if I want to
>>>>> stay
>>>>> competitive. Now the final question is whether or not I want people
>>>>> working
>>>>> in an unskilled job making more than I do per hour with lots of
>>>>> aedvanced
>>>>> training? Now that I've sounded like a Republican elitist snob!
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Miriam Vieni
>>>>> To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: FW: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage"
>>>>> petition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: Roger Hickey [mailto:petitions@moveon.org]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:27 PM
>>>>> To: Miriam Vieni
>>>>> Subject: Thank you for signing the "Raise the Minimum Wage"
>>>>> petition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for signing my petition, Raise the Minimum Wage.
>>>>>
>>>>> To really make a difference, we need a lot more people to join in.
>>>>> Can you
>>>>> share this petition with all your friends?
>>>>>
>>>>> Click here to share it on Facebook:
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Then, forward the email below to everyone you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Roger Hickey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a sample message to send to your friends:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour would boost
>>>>> the
>>>>> paychecks of over 30 million workers in the U.S. The majority are
>>>>> adults
>>>>> with full-time jobs, and nearly half have some college education.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the minimum wage had kept pace with inflation since 1968, it
>>>>> would be
>>>>> $10.60 today, not $7.25. By indexing the minimum wage to inflation,
>>>>> this
>>>>> bill prevents the annual erosion of the buying power of millions of
>>>>> hard-working Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>> The tipped minimum wage ($2.13 an hour) has lost 40 percent of its
>>>>> value
>>>>> since 1991. Over the past 22 years, Congress has voted to increase its
>>>>> pay
>>>>> 13 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> The benefits of the increase will reverberate across the economy.
>>>>> According to the Economic Policy Institute, raising the minimum wage
>>>>> to
>>>>> $10.10 will generate $30 billion in economic activity and create
>>>>> 140,000 new
>>>>> jobs over three years.
>>>>>
>>>>> On July 24th, a national coalition of community advocates,
>>>>> workers,
>>>>> online
>>>>> activists, faith and business leade rs are joining for a National Day
>>>>> of
>>>>> Action to Raise Up America, calling on elected officials and low-wage
>>>>> employers to take immediate action to raise wages for millions of
>>>>> America's
>>>>> lowest-paid workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can find details about events in your area here:
>>>>> http://blog.ourfuture.org/july-24th-national-day-of-action-to-raise-up-america
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why I signed a petition to The United States House of
>>>>> Representatives and The United States Senate, which says:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Pass the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2013, which raises the minimum
>>>>> wage to
>>>>> $10.10 an hour and provides the first increase to tipped employees in
>>>>> more
>>>>> than 20 years. It also indexes the minimum wage to the cost of
>>>>> living."
>>>>>
>>>>> Will you sign the petition too? Click here to add your name:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/raise-the-minimum-wage-18?source=s.fwd&r_by=1126864
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
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