Absolutely right, Alice. And you said it with far more control than
I. But you see, the entire premise is built upon one lie after
another. I'll pass over my contention that Man...Men, not Women
invented God. Let's say He really is here...or out there...or up
there. So now Mankind divides into groups, each waving a Holy Book
handed down to them by God...or whatever name they call Him.
But anyway, the Europeans came bumping their ships against the big
piles of land that stood between them and the Spice Center of the
world. And there were strange Beings wandering about this huge Land.
And suddenly the Europeans God, both Catholic and the many Protestant
denominations, called out to them saying, "It is good! This is your
Promised Land. Build my temples and worship me forever".
And so it came to pass that the Europeans claimed the Land in the name
of...no, not in the name of God, but in the name of the Kings of the
several nations involved in this Land Grab. Oh sure, they had banners
with crosses on them. They built churches and temples and went forth
each Sunday Morning to Worship God and thank Him for sharing of His
bountiful wealth. But little of what God shared went back to God. It
mostly went back to the Kings living far across the ocean. So moving
right along, after butchering and raping and enslaving all the folks
who had believed they were entitled to live here, the Europeans
grabbed and fought among themselves. Finally a bunch of rascals, the
equivalent to today's Terrorists, kicked the King of England out of
the Land and took over.
And even at that, later on this new nation split and fought among its
own States over the right of men to own other men and women and little
children.
And when that war was over the Industrialist went back to enslaving
the common people by forcing them to work six and seven days a week,
twelve to fourteen hours per day, for barely enough to pay for the
rent and food sold to them by their Bosses.
And here's the real joke. People today would have us believe that
this nation, these United States of America, is a Christian nation.
And we call ourselves intelligent?
Carl Jarvis
On 9/9/15, Alice Dampman Humel <alicedh@verizon.net> wrote:
> and this is precisely what they have no right to do…they are free to not
> have abortions, to not use burt control, to not have homosexual
> relationships, to not shop on whatever holy day their religion binds them
> to, to close their own business on that day if they own a business,
> whatever. But they have no right to impose any of that on the rest of us if
> the law says differently, the secularly defined law, not a religious one…
> and this is what I don't quite understand why there's not more objection,
> louder opposition to, this imposition of somebody else's religious laws on
> others. Kim Davis doesn't believe in gay marriage? Fine. Then she should
> not enter into one. But part of her job is to issue marriage licenses, and
> if the law permits gays to marry, or a man to marry a sheep, or a woman to
> marry a tree, then it is up to her to issue the license whether she likes
> the choice of spouse or not…again, to trot out everyone's favorite
> yardstick: what if she, in 2015, even in Kentucky, refused to issue a
> marriage license to an interracial couple? It's not for her to impose her
> religious views on others, and if she can't overcome herself to uphold civil
> law, then she should find another job.
> Alice
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>> But they've been imposing their will on us, they and the Catholic
>> Bishops.
>> No federal funds for abortion. And that Supreme Court decision last year,
>> didn't that have to do with on the job medical insurance benefits for
>> birth
>> control? And all those state regulations that have eliminated abortion
>> clinics and added on requirements for women before they can get their
>> abortions?
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
>> Humel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:25 AM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: [act-chat] Oops! National Federation
>> of
>> the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination by EEOC
>>
>>
>> Abdulah and all,
>> I get so furious every time I hear yet another story about this sniveling
>> sack of shit Kim Davis and all her brainwashed evangelical cohorts and
>> supporters, including the odious Mike Huckabee.
>> They keep yapping about how their religious freedom is being taken away.
>> And
>> no one contradicts them, no one seems to have the balls to say to them,
>> "You
>> have no idea what the concept of religious freedom even means. You have
>> no
>> idea whatsoever what it means to have no religious freedom. You are free
>> to
>> unobstructed and unchallenged practice any religion you choose, complete
>> with whatever demands it makes of you, to comply with all the dicta
>> attached
>> to that religion, from the standard denominations of the world's
>> religions,
>> even the wacko sects of those religions, right down to pastafarianism.
>> What
>> you are not permitted to do is impose those beliefs and their
>> restrictions
>> on others. We do not live in a theocracy. We are under no obligation to
>> observe any religion's laws if we ourselves do not subscribe to that
>> religion. And you can't make us, no matter how hard you try to shoehorn
>> the
>> concept of religious freedom into this form of tyranny, right up there
>> with
>> fascism of the worst order. The lack of religious freedom means that you
>> will be thrown in jail for mouthing off about your wacko beliefs and/or
>> practicing them. When that happens, then we'll talk about how Christians
>> are
>> being persecuted and you right wing evangelicals are being deprived of
>> your
>> religious freedom. Bullshit. So until then, shut up and go away."
>> Something like that.think I"m ready for prime time yet? :)
>> Alice
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:22 AM, abdulah aga <abdulahhasic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>> Hmmmm So it means that USA as capitalism People like more religion
>> then money?,
>>
>> So Saudi Arabia we know is religion country,
>>
>> but they are work even Fridays,
>>
>> in Saudi Arabia is Fridays weekend,
>>
>> So I don't know then what start going on in USA with people:
>>
>> Maybe they are want to make all USA as Vatican? or what?.
>>
>> Abdulah Hasic.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Frank Ventura
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 11:57 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: [act-chat] Oops! National
>> Federation of the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination by EEOC
>>
>> I wonder what would happen if people refused to work on religious
>> days for Walmart, somehow I dount the EEOC would have the guts to go
>> after
>> Wallyworld.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of abdulah aga
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 4:30 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: [act-chat] Oops! National
>> Federation of the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination by EEOC
>>
>>
>> Hi
>> I don't know where this lead us?
>>
>> When people start use religion to much as esquse for something then
>> is not
>> good:
>>
>> other word that esquse lead us in Couse or some type of mess,
>>
>> I know how looks like and I past true all this things
>>
>> So I would like ask smart NFB why they are didn't do sem thinks in
>> my case with TX comition for the blind?
>> I would like ask smart NFB what would bee hempen if Muslim people
>> say we don't work Fridays, because of are religion?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Miriam Vieni
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 3:11 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: [acb-chat] Oops! National
>> Federation of the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination by EEOC
>>
>> I guess the NFB is a bit narrow in their definition of
>> discrimination? They recognize it only when it happens to blind people?
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Krugman (Redacted sender "ckrugman@sbcglobal.net" for DMARC)
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 3:38 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fwd: [acb-chat] Oops! National
>> Federation of the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination by EEOC
>>
>>
>> and the stupidity award goes to the National Federation of the
>> Blind! I wonder whether the NFB membership will be apprized of this.
>> Chuck
>>
>> From: R. E. Driscoll Sr <mailto:llocsirdsr@att.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:39 AM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Fwd: [acb-chat] Oops! National Federation
>> of the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination by EEOC
>>
>>
>> All:
>> This came in the morning mail. It had rather long "TO and COPY"
>> sections which I have deleted... Further details may be found in the
>> link.
>> R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
>>
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>> National Federation of the Blind Sued for Religious Discrimination
>> by EEOC
>>
>>
>> Advocacy Group Terminated an Employee because He Would Not Work on
>> the Sabbath, Federal Agency Charged
>>
>> BALTIMORE - The National Federation of the Blind, the largest
>> organization of blind and low-vision people in the United States,
>> violated
>> federal law when it refused to allow an employee to observe his Sabbath
>> and
>> instead terminated him because of his religion, the U.S. Equal Employment
>> Opportunity Commission (EEOC) charged in a lawsuit it announced today.
>>
>> According to the lawsuit, Joseph R. Massey II is a practicing Hebrew
>> Pentecostal, a Christian denomination, and abstains from working from
>> sunset
>> Friday to sunset Saturday based on his sincerely-held religious beliefs.
>> The National Federation of the Blind hired Massey for a bookkeeping
>> position at its Baltimore office in November 2013. In January 2014, the
>> Federation told Massey he had to work certain Saturdays. Massey
>> explained
>> he could not work Saturdays due to his religious faith and suggested
>> alternatives such as working on Sundays or working late on week nights
>> other
>> than Fridays. EEOC charged that the Federation refused to provide any
>> reasonable accommodation and instead fired Massey because he could not
>> work
>> Saturdays due to his religious beliefs.
>>
>> Such alleged conduct violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of
>> 1964, which prohibits employers from discriminating against individuals
>> because of their religion and requires employers to reasonably
>> accommodate
>> an employee's sincerely-held religious beliefs unless doing so would
>> impose
>> an undue hardship on the employer. EEOC filed suit (EEOC v. The National
>> Federation of the Blind, Civil Action No. 1:15-cv-02484-GLR) in U.S.
>> District Court for the District of Maryland, Baltimore Division,
>> after first attempting to reach a pre-litigation settlement through its
>> conciliation process.
>>
>> "Employees should not have to choose between their jobs and their
>> religious convictions when a religious accommodation will not unduly
>> burden
>> others,"
>> said EEOC Philadelphia District Director Spencer H. Lewis, Jr.
>>
>> EEOC Regional Attorney Debra M. Lawrence added, "Most religious
>> accommodations are not unduly costly, such as allowing an employee to
>> switch
>> his schedule to observe his Sabbath. No employee should be forced to
>> choose
>> between earning a living and following the dictates of his faith."
>>
>> EEOC's Philadelphia District Office has jurisdiction over
>> Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia and parts of New Jersey
>> and
>> Ohio. Its legal staff also prosecutes discrimination cases arising from
>> Washington, D.C. and parts of Virginia.
>>
>> EEOC enforces federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination.
>> Further information about the agency is available at its website,
>> www.eeoc.gov
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