Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> This is why it's a bad idea to pass legislation banning the sale of guns to
> people on the terror watch list or no fly list.
> Miriam
>
> Outrageous Examples of People Who Really Didn't Belong on the
The terrorist no fly list.
The following article would be funny, if it did not hurt so many
innocent people. But it should stand as a star example of the
indifference the American Corporate Empire holds for the people it is
supposedly protecting. > > ________________________________________
> 10 Outrageous Examples of People Who Really Didn't Belong on the Feds'
> Terror Watch List exandra Rosenmann [1] / AlterNet [2]
> June 16, 2016
> In the wake of the Orlando massacre, even some of the biggest objectors to
> gun control are opening the door to restrictions.
> "I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing
> people on the terrorist watch list, or the no-fly list, to buy guns,"
> Donald
> Trump tweeted [3] Wednesday, surprising both the left and right.
> "For Democrats, however, the move amounts to a strong endorsement of a
> system that civil liberties advocates have called a "Kafkaesque
> bureaucracy," and which some Democrats have previously criticized for being
> secretive, unaccountable, and discriminatory," The Intercept reported [4]
> in
> response to the controversy.
> "According to interagency watchlisting guidelines [5] The Intercept
> published in 2014, it takes neither "concrete facts" nor "irrefutable
> evidence" to add someone's name as a terror suspect. The guidelines allow
> the administration to name individuals as representatives of terrorist
> groups they have no demonstrable connection to and to put entire
> "categories" of people on the no-fly list," said the Intercept.
> The easist way to find out if you're on the "no fly list" is, of course, at
> the airport. This was also the only way to find out if your name appeared
> until [6] just two years ago.
> Here are just 10 of the most outrageous entries in the system:
> 1. US Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
> ''Tried to get on a plane back to Washington,'' Mr. Kennedy explained on
> the
> Senate floor in 2004. '''You can't get on the plane.' I went up to the desk
> and said, 'I've been getting on this plane, you know, for 42 years. Why
> can't I get on the plane?'''
> "Mr. Kennedy said his situation highlighted the odyssey encountered by
> people whose names had mistakenly appeared on terrorist watch lists or
> resembled the names of suspected terrorists on such lists. In April, the
> American Civil Liberties Union sued the government on behalf of seven
> airline passengers who said they had wrongly been placed on no-fly lists or
> associated with names on the lists and could not find a way to clarify
> their
> identities," The New York Times reported [7].
>
> 2. Bolivian President Evo Morales
> The name of the president who has been highly critical of the Obama
> Administration was discovered [8] on the terrorist watch list in 2009.
> "The capitalist system that Obama represents is not a policy that embodies
> the people of the United States, but a policy of the transnational
> corporations, especially of those that commercialize weapons and push for
> an
> arms race," Morales told RT America in 2014.
> "This kind of intervention that the US government provokes is a business to
> them - a business that ends people's lives," Morales added.
> 3. Nelson Mandela
> "Nelson Mandela is being remembered across the world (and political
> spectrum) for his heroic, life-long battle against apartheid and injustice
> in South Africa. But with all the accolades being thrown around, it's easy
> to forget that the U.S., in particular, hasn't always had such a friendly
> relationship with Mandela -- and that in fact, as late as 2008, the Nobel
> Prize winner and former president was still on the U.S. terrorism watch
> list," the Washington Post revealed [9] in 2013. As it turns out, because
> Mandela was part of the African National Congress, the group trying to
> overthrow the white apartheid-supporting government, he was placed on South
> Africa's list, which the US adopted.
> 4 - 6. The James Robinsons
> A former US Attorney General, an airline pilot and a third grader all share
> the name "James Robinson" and are all on the terrorist watch list.
> 7. CNN Reporter Drew Griffin
> Coinidentally, Griffin was also placed on the watch list "shortly after I
> began a series of investigative reports critical of the TSA," he told CNN.
> 8. 6-Year-Old Alyssa Thomas
> "We were puzzled," Dr. Santosh Thomas, Alyssa's father told CNN in 2011.
> The
> family found out at the Continental check-in after having booked a flight
> from Cleveland to Minneapolis. "They said, 'She's on a list,' I said,
> 'Well,
> what does she have to do to get off that list?"
> 9. 8-Year-Old Mikey Hicks
> "My mom thinks that some terrorist has the same name as me and my dad,"
> Hicks told CBS. According to his mother, the family has had to battle with
> this unfortunate discrepency nearly Mikey's entire life.
> 10. Stanford Ph.D Student Rahinah Ibrahim
> In January 2014, a federal judge ruled [10] that, "the Department of
> Homeland Security made a "mistake" when it put a former Stanford University
> PhD student on the government's no-fly terrorist watch list and must give
> her an opportunity to apply for reentry to the United States."
> That was nearly a decade after Ibrahim discovered she was even on the list
> -
> in 2005. Ibrahim's case was "the first and only successful challenge to the
> terrorist watch-listing program, which arose following the 9/11 attacks,"
> Ars Technica confirmed [11].
> Alexandra Rosenmann is an AlterNet associate editor. Follow her
> @alexpreditor [12].
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> Report typos and corrections to 'corrections@alternet.org'. [13]
> [14]
> ________________________________________
> Source URL:
> http://www.alternet.org/investigations/10-outrageous-incidences-people-found
> -terrorist-watch-list
> Links:
> [1] http://www.alternet.org/authors/alexandra-rosenmann
> [2] http://alternet.org
> [3] https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743078235408195584
> [4]
> https://theintercept.com/2016/06/15/democrats-embrace-secretive-flawed-terro
> r-watchlist-in-fight-against-gun-violence/
> [5] https://theintercept.com/2014/07/23/blacklisted/
> [6]
> https://www.aclu.org/blog/victory-no-fly-list-process-ruled-unconstitutional
> [7]
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/us/senator-terrorist-a-watch-list-stops-ke
> nnedy-at-airport.html?_r=0
> [8] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/03/watc-m12.html
> [9]
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/12/07/why-nelson-mandela
> -was-on-a-terrorism-watch-list-in-2008/
> [10]
> http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/19/local/la-me-watch-list-20140120
> [11]
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-seven-years-exactly-one-per
> son-gets-off-the-govt-no-fly-list/
> [12] http://twitter.com/alexpreditor
> [13] mailto:corrections@alternet.org?Subject=Typo on 10 Outrageous Examples
> of People Who Really Didn't Belong on the Feds' Terror Watch List
> [14] http://www.alternet.org/
> [15] http://www.alternet.org/%2Bnew_src%2B
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> By Alexandra Rosenmann [1] / AlterNet [2]
> June 16, 2016
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> In the wake of the Orlando massacre, even some of the biggest objectors to
> gun control are opening the door to restrictions.
> "I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing
> people on the terrorist watch list, or the no-fly list, to buy guns,"
> Donald
> Trump tweeted [3] Wednesday, surprising both the left and right.
> "For Democrats, however, the move amounts to a strong endorsement of a
> system that civil liberties advocates have called a "Kafkaesque
> bureaucracy," and which some Democrats have previously criticized for being
> secretive, unaccountable, and discriminatory," The Intercept reported [4]
> in
> response to the controversy.
> "According to interagency watchlisting guidelines [5] The Intercept
> published in 2014, it takes neither "concrete facts" nor "irrefutable
> evidence" to add someone's name as a terror suspect. The guidelines allow
> the administration to name individuals as representatives of terrorist
> groups they have no demonstrable connection to and to put entire
> "categories" of people on the no-fly list," said the Intercept.
> The easist way to find out if you're on the "no fly list" is, of course, at
> the airport. This was also the only way to find out if your name appeared
> until [6] just two years ago.
> Here are just 10 of the most outrageous entries in the system:
> 1. US Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
> ''Tried to get on a plane back to Washington,'' Mr. Kennedy explained on
> the
> Senate floor in 2004. '''You can't get on the plane.' I went up to the desk
> and said, 'I've been getting on this plane, you know, for 42 years. Why
> can't I get on the plane?'''
> "Mr. Kennedy said his situation highlighted the odyssey encountered by
> people whose names had mistakenly appeared on terrorist watch lists or
> resembled the names of suspected terrorists on such lists. In April, the
> American Civil Liberties Union sued the government on behalf of seven
> airline passengers who said they had wrongly been placed on no-fly lists or
> associated with names on the lists and could not find a way to clarify
> their
> identities," The New York Times reported [7].
> 2. Bolivian President Evo Morales
> The name of the president who has been highly critical of the Obama
> Administration was discovered [8] on the terrorist watch list in 2009.
> "The capitalist system that Obama represents is not a policy that embodies
> the people of the United States, but a policy of the transnational
> corporations, especially of those that commercialize weapons and push for
> an
> arms race," Morales told RT America in 2014.
> "This kind of intervention that the US government provokes is a business to
> them - a business that ends people's lives," Morales added.
> 3. Nelson Mandela
> "Nelson Mandela is being remembered across the world (and political
> spectrum) for his heroic, life-long battle against apartheid and injustice
> in South Africa. But with all the accolades being thrown around, it's easy
> to forget that the U.S., in particular, hasn't always had such a friendly
> relationship with Mandela -- and that in fact, as late as 2008, the Nobel
> Prize winner and former president was still on the U.S. terrorism watch
> list," the Washington Post revealed [9] in 2013. As it turns out, because
> Mandela was part of the African National Congress, the group trying to
> overthrow the white apartheid-supporting government, he was placed on South
> Africa's list, which the US adopted.
> 4 - 6. The James Robinsons
> A former US Attorney General, an airline pilot and a third grader all share
> the name "James Robinson" and are all on the terrorist watch list.
> 7. CNN Reporter Drew Griffin
> Coinidentally, Griffin was also placed on the watch list "shortly after I
> began a series of investigative reports critical of the TSA," he told CNN.
> 8. 6-Year-Old Alyssa Thomas
> "We were puzzled," Dr. Santosh Thomas, Alyssa's father told CNN in 2011.
> The
> family found out at the Continental check-in after having booked a flight
> from Cleveland to Minneapolis. "They said, 'She's on a list,' I said,
> 'Well,
> what does she have to do to get off that list?"
> 9. 8-Year-Old Mikey Hicks
> "My mom thinks that some terrorist has the same name as me and my dad,"
> Hicks told CBS. According to his mother, the family has had to battle with
> this unfortunate discrepency nearly Mikey's entire life.
> 10. Stanford Ph.D Student Rahinah Ibrahim
> In January 2014, a federal judge ruled [10] that, "the Department of
> Homeland Security made a "mistake" when it put a former Stanford University
> PhD student on the government's no-fly terrorist watch list and must give
> her an opportunity to apply for reentry to the United States."
> That was nearly a decade after Ibrahim discovered she was even on the list
> -
> in 2005. Ibrahim's case was "the first and only successful challenge to the
> terrorist watch-listing program, which arose following the 9/11 attacks,"
> Ars Technica confirmed [11].
> Alexandra Rosenmann is an AlterNet associate editor. Follow her
> @alexpreditor [12].
> Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
> Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
> Report typos and corrections to 'corrections@alternet.org'. [13]
> Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.[14]
>
> Source URL:
> http://www.alternet.org/investigations/10-outrageous-incidences-people-found
> -terrorist-watch-list
> Links:
> [1] http://www.alternet.org/authors/alexandra-rosenmann
> [2] http://alternet.org
> [3] https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743078235408195584
> [4]
> https://theintercept.com/2016/06/15/democrats-embrace-secretive-flawed-terro
> r-watchlist-in-fight-against-gun-violence/
> [5] https://theintercept.com/2014/07/23/blacklisted/
> [6]
> https://www.aclu.org/blog/victory-no-fly-list-process-ruled-unconstitutional
> [7]
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/us/senator-terrorist-a-watch-list-stops-ke
> nnedy-at-airport.html?_r=0
> [8] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/03/watc-m12.html
> [9]
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/12/07/why-nelson-mandela
> -was-on-a-terrorism-watch-list-in-2008/
> [10]
> http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/19/local/la-me-watch-list-20140120
> [11]
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-seven-years-exactly-one-per
> son-gets-off-the-govt-no-fly-list/
> [12] http://twitter.com/alexpreditor
> [13] mailto:corrections@alternet.org?Subject=Typo on 10 Outrageous Examples
> of People Who Really Didn't Belong on the Feds' Terror Watch List
> [14] http://www.alternet.org/
> [15] http://www.alternet.org/%2Bnew_src%2B
>
>
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