This morning I listened to Alternative Radio and heard Noam Chomsky,
whom I hold in the highest regard, tell us that a vote for Jill Stein,
or for any of the Parties outside the "One Party", would be a vote for
Trump.
Okay, so in mathematical terms, Noam is right. But that still will
not move me to cast my vote for Clinton. Noam Chomsky goes on to tell
us that we need to face the fact that in the Real World one of these
two will be our next president. While I know from listening to
Chomsky, that he believes the Capitalist form of government is not
compatible with democracy, nonetheless, he maintains we need to elect
Clinton, and then begin a collective effort to force her to live up to
her more progressive planks in the democratic platform.
Certainly, once she is in office, I will do my part in this respect.
But I am unwilling to attach my support to either Clinton or Trump.
Neither represent the political party I once belonged to.
Below is a link to an interesting interview.
Carl Jarvis
chomsky barsamian — Alternative Radio
www.alternativeradio.org/search?q=chomsky+barsamian
On 10/8/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
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> Home > Most Sanders Democratic Convention Delegates Are Not Ready to Vote
> for Clinton, New Poll Finds
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> Most Sanders Democratic Convention Delegates Are Not Ready to Vote for
> Clinton, New Poll Finds
> By Steven Rosenfeld [1] / AlterNet [2]
> October 7, 2016
> Hillary Clinton has a Bernie Sanders problem-and it's not about the former
> presidential candidate, who is now giving swing-state speeches telling
> people to vote for her. The problem is a sizable slice of his most ardent
> supporters don't want to.
>
> A new survey of 461 Sanders delegates who attended the Democratic National
> Convention found that less than one-fifth said they now planned to
> personally vote for Clinton, whether they lived in a swing state (19
> percent) or a safe state (18 percent). One-sixth (17 percent) said that
> they
> were undecided.
>
> Six percent said they would write in Sanders' name. Six percent said they
> would vote for "none of the above," which could mean not voting. Less than
> one percent said they would vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson, and an even
> smaller fraction of one percent said they would vote for Donald Trump.
>
> However, the percentages for Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential
> candidate, were the widest ranging. In safe states, like California where
> Clinton is expected to easily win, 24 percent of Bernie convention
> delegates
> said they would vote for Stein. In swing states, which Clinton needs to win
> for an electoral college victory, 9 percent said they were going to vote
> for
> Stein.
>
> "The survey reflects Bernie delegates' thoughtful consideration of their
> various voting options tempered by the political realities in their
> states,"
> said Donna Smith, who is also executive director of Progressive Democrats
> of
> America, a group that was one of the first to encourage Sanders to run as a
> Democrat. "They do seem to be highly unified in their rejection of voting
> for Donald Trump."
>
> "Many of those undecided Bernie delegates are no doubt still in the
> decision-making process," she said. "We would need to drill down further to
> determine if there were specific reasons why one-sixth of the Bernie
> delegates who responded remain undecided."
>
> While pollsters repeatedly have been finding that many young voters are
> drawn to either Libertarian Gary Johnson or Green Jill Stein, the survey by
> the Bernie Delegates Network appears to be the first of its kind
> specifically asking Sanders campaign loyalists how they were going to be
> voting this fall.
>
> "We were gathering information," said Norman Solomon, who cofounded the
> Bernie Delegates Network. "The numbers were not particularly what I
> expected. We did the survey. Each delegate was offered one unique link that
> could only be used one time. Speaking personally, I think there is some
> delusion among the Clinton campaign that people are going to fall in line,
> and that's not the case with a substantial number of Bernie delegates."
>
> Solomon, who's from northern California, said he expected a bigger split
> between the percentage of delegates now supporting Clinton in swing and
> safe
> states.
>
> "I expected, and I certainly hoped for, a significant differentiation
> between plans to vote Hillary Clinton in swing states and plans to vote for
> Hillary Clinton in safe states, " he said, then elaborating: "If I lived in
> a swing state, like Ohio or Florida, I would absolutely vote for Hillary
> Clinton in November. If I lived in California, I'd see no intention of
> voting for Hillary Clinton. But that differential outlook is not reflected
> in the numbers we got back from the survey."
>
> "Bernie has been campaigning for Hillary and making it clear that he
> supports the Clinton-Kaine ticket," Smith said. "It may be that Bernie
> delegates are reflecting indecision that is more widely felt by the
> American
> electorate."
>
> Since late September, Sanders has been telling supporters that they must
> elect Clinton and beat Trump. That started at a joint event in New
> Hampshire
> where Clinton embraced Sanders' call for free tuition at public
> universities
> and refinancing student loan rates.
>
> "Now, during the campaign, the primary campaign, Secretary Clinton had some
> very strong proposals. I had a different approach," he said in that
> September event. "But we came together after the campaign and reached an
> agreement that says that every family in this country earning $125,000 or
> less-that is 83 percent of our population-should be able to send their kids
> to public colleges and universities tuition-free. And make no mistake about
> it: This is a revolutionary proposal for the future of our country with
> wide-reaching implications."
>
> Since that speech telling supporters to vote for Clinton, Sanders has been
> to Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. The Clinton campaign has issued
> media alerts saying Sanders will appear in coming days in New Hampshire,
> Maine and Pennsylvania.
>
> "Our job right now seems pretty clear to me: ... to defeat and to defeat
> badly the worst candidate for president in the modern history of the United
> States, Donald Trump," Sanders said this week in Minneapolis. "Our job is
> to
> elect Hillary Clinton as president but to also understand that our job is
> not done just by electing Secretary Clinton. On the day after, we continue
> the movement. [As Rep.] Keith Ellison told you-Keith Ellison told you that
> we, working with the Clinton campaign, passed the most progressive
> platform,
> Democratic platform, in the history of our country. Our job under President
> Hillary Clinton is to see that that platform is implemented."
>
> But impassioned words like these are not quite moving Sanders supporters,
> Solomon said. "I've heard people say anecdotally, 'Well, let's just see how
> the voting is.' On the phone, people from Florida or Ohio, told me that.
> They're just going to wait and see."
>
> The Bernie Delegate Network numbers do suggest, however, that Sanders
> supporters in swing states want their votes to matter-as evidenced by the
> finding that only 9 percent said they would vote for Stein, compared to 24
> percent in safe states.
>
> "There's always been a wide range of Bernie delegates," Solomon said. "The
> comfort level of voting for Jill Stein isn't notably high in swing states,
> because you can see that twice as many people have not made up their minds.
> My overall supposition is that a lot of these delegates in swing states are
> going to wait and see how the polling looks right before the election."
>
> Were these Stein supporters being too principled?
>
> "It would be a broad generalization to say that all Bernie delegates
> choosing to vote for Jill Stein or any other candidate are doing so due to
> one factor alone," Smith said. "Some Bernie delegates may be considering
> the
> political implications of a Stein vote while others may be doing so because
> of Green Party platform positions."
>
> "I agree with what Noam Chomsky has said," Solomon said. "It's the context.
> You know people don't honor their principles when they put gas in their car
> if they are against climate change. We all do, if you will, make choices
> between options that we don't believe are inclusive of the options we would
> want. But people will deal with this in different ways."
>
> Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet, including
> America's retirement crisis, democracy and voting rights, and campaigns and
> elections. He is the author of "Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting"
> (AlterNet Books, 2008).
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> Hillary Clinton has a Bernie Sanders problem-and it's not about the former
> presidential candidate, who is now giving swing-state speeches telling
> people to vote for her. The problem is a sizable slice of his most ardent
> supporters don't want to.
>
> A new survey of 461 Sanders delegates who attended the Democratic National
> Convention found that less than one-fifth said they now planned to
> personally vote for Clinton, whether they lived in a swing state (19
> percent) or a safe state (18 percent). One-sixth (17 percent) said that
> they
> were undecided.
>
> Six percent said they would write in Sanders' name. Six percent said they
> would vote for "none of the above," which could mean not voting. Less than
> one percent said they would vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson, and an even
> smaller fraction of one percent said they would vote for Donald Trump.
>
> However, the percentages for Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential
> candidate, were the widest ranging. In safe states, like California where
> Clinton is expected to easily win, 24 percent of Bernie convention
> delegates
> said they would vote for Stein. In swing states, which Clinton needs to win
> for an electoral college victory, 9 percent said they were going to vote
> for
> Stein.
>
> "The survey reflects Bernie delegates' thoughtful consideration of their
> various voting options tempered by the political realities in their
> states,"
> said Donna Smith, who is also executive director of Progressive Democrats
> of
> America, a group that was one of the first to encourage Sanders to run as a
> Democrat. "They do seem to be highly unified in their rejection of voting
> for Donald Trump."
>
> "Many of those undecided Bernie delegates are no doubt still in the
> decision-making process," she said. "We would need to drill down further to
> determine if there were specific reasons why one-sixth of the Bernie
> delegates who responded remain undecided."
>
> While pollsters repeatedly have been finding that many young voters are
> drawn to either Libertarian Gary Johnson or Green Jill Stein, the survey by
> the Bernie Delegates Network appears to be the first of its kind
> specifically asking Sanders campaign loyalists how they were going to be
> voting this fall.
>
> "We were gathering information," said Norman Solomon, who cofounded the
> Bernie Delegates Network. "The numbers were not particularly what I
> expected. We did the survey. Each delegate was offered one unique link that
> could only be used one time. Speaking personally, I think there is some
> delusion among the Clinton campaign that people are going to fall in line,
> and that's not the case with a substantial number of Bernie delegates."
>
> Solomon, who's from northern California, said he expected a bigger split
> between the percentage of delegates now supporting Clinton in swing and
> safe
> states.
>
> "I expected, and I certainly hoped for, a significant differentiation
> between plans to vote Hillary Clinton in swing states and plans to vote for
> Hillary Clinton in safe states, " he said, then elaborating: "If I lived in
> a swing state, like Ohio or Florida, I would absolutely vote for Hillary
> Clinton in November. If I lived in California, I'd see no intention of
> voting for Hillary Clinton. But that differential outlook is not reflected
> in the numbers we got back from the survey."
>
> "Bernie has been campaigning for Hillary and making it clear that he
> supports the Clinton-Kaine ticket," Smith said. "It may be that Bernie
> delegates are reflecting indecision that is more widely felt by the
> American
> electorate."
>
> Since late September, Sanders has been telling supporters that they must
> elect Clinton and beat Trump. That started at a joint event in New
> Hampshire
> where Clinton embraced Sanders' call for free tuition at public
> universities
> and refinancing student loan rates.
>
> "Now, during the campaign, the primary campaign, Secretary Clinton had some
> very strong proposals. I had a different approach," he said in that
> September event. "But we came together after the campaign and reached an
> agreement that says that every family in this country earning $125,000 or
> less-that is 83 percent of our population-should be able to send their kids
> to public colleges and universities tuition-free. And make no mistake about
> it: This is a revolutionary proposal for the future of our country with
> wide-reaching implications."
>
> Since that speech telling supporters to vote for Clinton, Sanders has been
> to Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. The Clinton campaign has issued
> media alerts saying Sanders will appear in coming days in New Hampshire,
> Maine and Pennsylvania.
>
> "Our job right now seems pretty clear to me: ... to defeat and to defeat
> badly the worst candidate for president in the modern history of the United
> States, Donald Trump," Sanders said this week in Minneapolis. "Our job is
> to
> elect Hillary Clinton as president but to also understand that our job is
> not done just by electing Secretary Clinton. On the day after, we continue
> the movement. [As Rep.] Keith Ellison told you-Keith Ellison told you that
> we, working with the Clinton campaign, passed the most progressive
> platform,
> Democratic platform, in the history of our country. Our job under President
> Hillary Clinton is to see that that platform is implemented."
>
> But impassioned words like these are not quite moving Sanders supporters,
> Solomon said. "I've heard people say anecdotally, 'Well, let's just see how
> the voting is.' On the phone, people from Florida or Ohio, told me that.
> They're just going to wait and see."
>
> The Bernie Delegate Network numbers do suggest, however, that Sanders
> supporters in swing states want their votes to matter-as evidenced by the
> finding that only 9 percent said they would vote for Stein, compared to 24
> percent in safe states.
>
> "There's always been a wide range of Bernie delegates," Solomon said. "The
> comfort level of voting for Jill Stein isn't notably high in swing states,
> because you can see that twice as many people have not made up their minds.
> My overall supposition is that a lot of these delegates in swing states are
> going to wait and see how the polling looks right before the election."
>
> Were these Stein supporters being too principled?
>
> "It would be a broad generalization to say that all Bernie delegates
> choosing to vote for Jill Stein or any other candidate are doing so due to
> one factor alone," Smith said. "Some Bernie delegates may be considering
> the
> political implications of a Stein vote while others may be doing so because
> of Green Party platform positions."
>
> "I agree with what Noam Chomsky has said," Solomon said. "It's the context.
> You know people don't honor their principles when they put gas in their car
> if they are against climate change. We all do, if you will, make choices
> between options that we don't believe are inclusive of the options we would
> want. But people will deal with this in different ways."
> Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet, including
> America's retirement crisis, democracy and voting rights, and campaigns and
> elections. He is the author of "Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting"
> (AlterNet Books, 2008).
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