Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Jill Stein

Well Frank, and All, it doesn't take much IQ to figure out that there
is no way Jill Stein or any of the "Lesser Parties" can grab the Brass
Ring. And as for Bernie Sanders being a viable candidate?
Balderdash!
No way the Demopublicans were going to allow the likes of a Socialist,
even a wishy washy one, to run under the Empire's Flag.
Picking Jill Stein was, for me, simply the roll of the dice. The
Green Party platform has good sounding stuff in it. And of course it
will never be put to the test. The Democratic Platform has some
decent verbiage, too. But let's all put aside our Pipes for a moment
and face reality. No matter how we organize, and we should, and no
matter how we demonstrate, and we should, no matter that we have
multiple times the numbers, most of the progressive planks on the
Platform will never be heard from again.
But some folks just can't stop dreaming. And that would be good, if
their dreams were at least grounded to reality. If a rod goes through
the engine of my truck, putting in a new rod is not going to put my
truck on the road. There is damage that has to be fixed.
Putting Hillary Clinton or even Jill Stein in the White House will not
get democracy running.
For me the choice was a simple one. Either I could cast my protest
vote for a candidate who I knew could not ever hope to win, or I could
refuse to vote for president.
The vote I want, but will never be allowed to cast, is for a total
overhaul of our government. As Thomas Jefferson was heard to say, "If
it's broke, then fix it!"
Once upon a time someone shot a hole through one of my living room
windows. Even if I stuck something transparent over the hole, the
cracks that radiated from it were very distracting. In short, the
only way to fix that dead window was to replace it. Just as an aside,
the shattered window came just a day or two after someone laid piles
of newspaper in the shape of a cross, on our back lawn, and set fire
to it.
At our agency for the blind, we had several windows on the ground
floor broken, and finally solved the problem by installing break proof
windows. But with anything that is broken, we normally assess the
damage and decide if the object can be fixed, or if we need to replace
it. Of course there is the other option, do without it. But we keep
agreeing that this government is broke, as far as working and lower
class folks are concerned. At best it was merely tolerant of us. But
here we are again, twelve days away from trying to "fix" the darn
thing. It wouldn't matter if we sent the Easter Bunny to the White
House, nothing short of house cleaning is going to do the trick.

Carl Jarvis


On 10/26/16, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com> wrote:
> For someone who claims to support a living wage and affordable health care
> it appears Ms. Stein is heavily invested in Home Depot and Merc
> Pharmaceuticals, from:
> https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/08/06/19882/9-things-know-about-jill-stein
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:45 PM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Jill Stein
>
>
> Ash writes: "Many of our readers are strongly advocating the candidacy of
> Jill Stein. The problem is that, polling at 2% nationally, she has no
> chance
> whatsoever of being elected. In fact, former New Mexico governor Gary
> Johnson, running under the Libertarian banner, has triple the supporters
> Stein has, and he doesn't even appear to be totally coherent."
>
> Green Party presidential candidate Dr. Jill Stein. (photo: American Herald
> Tribune)
>
>
> Jill Stein
> By Marc Ash, Reader Supported News
> 25 October 16
>
> Many of our readers are strongly advocating the candidacy of Jill Stein.
> The problem is that, polling at 2% nationally, she has no chance whatsoever
> of being elected. In fact, former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, running
> under the Libertarian banner, has triple the supporters Stein has, and he
> doesn't even appear to be totally coherent.
> So it isn't really a candidacy at all that Stein's supporters are
> promoting,
> it's more of an ideal or a lecture on political responsibility. The
> candidacy provides the platform for the ideology.
> The reason Sanders succeeded in being viable as a presidential candidate is
> that he was able to convince progressive Democrats that supporting him
> would
> not open the door to another Richard Nixon or George W. Bush.
> American Green Party activists have long understood that the ranks of
> progressive Democrats held the potential for large numbers of third-party
> recruits. What they never understood was that for progressives to come to
> their movement, there had to be a "safe means of transit."
> The Greens think that just because rank and file Democratic voters resent
> the Democratic Party, they're going to leave and join the Green Party. That
> won't happen until the GP infrastructure is in place.
> In fairness to Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, the platform they
> have crafted is full of wonderful ideas. It's the most socially responsive
> presidential platform of the current candidates. But they knew at the time
> that they crafted it that in all likelihood they would never have to
> materially deliver on any of it. As a result they were free to make a
> purely
> political statement.
> To say that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
> echoes the disastrous memes of 1968 and 2000. No difference between Hubert
> Humphrey and Richard Nixon? No difference between George W. Bush and Al
> Gore?
> The difference was life and death for millions. The choice of political
> leaders always carries great consequence. The higher the office, the
> greater
> the significance.
> What Sanders understood was that he could push the Democratic Party for
> fundamental political change and reform but he had to demonstrate that he
> would not open the door to a Ted Cruz or a Donald Trump.
> Sanders, a well noted Socialist running within the Democratic Party
> structure and vowing not to go rogue with an independent campaign should he
> fail to gain the Democratic nomination, garnered more progressive
> Democratic
> support than all Green Party presidential candidates combined. He did it
> and
> is still doing it without demonizing anyone.
> Demonizing Democrats as a strategy for building a Green Party has always
> failed, and should be declared dead by anyone who really wants to organize.
> What is needed is "honest organizing." When you have no chance of winning
> and you are staying in the race to garner public attention for what you see
> as socially beneficial policies or perhaps to get enough votes to qualify
> for federal funding in the next presidential election, then you need to say
> that. Painting the Democratic candidate as the devil to achieve those ends
> is ludicrous.
> What the Green Party needs is organizing and infrastructure. The Green
> Party
> can't afford an adversarial relationship with the Democrats. They need an
> alliance. Such an alliance would aid, not deter, Green organizing.
> For those who are serious about an American Green Party, follow Sanders'
> lead. Infiltrate the Democratic Party and make change impossible to ignore.
> Collaborate with Our Revolution and similar organizations. Demonstrate the
> kind of leadership that builds confidence by showing confidence in your own
> ideas.
> The American left is hungry for change - build it.
>
> ________________________________________
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> +12 # kyzipster 2016-10-25 12:03
> Well said Marc.
>
> I hate to say it but perhaps real progressives should follow the Tea Party
> example. I'm well aware that the Tea Party was a creation of the media but
> it evolved into a real force challenging establishment Republicans in
> Congress and at the state level. They managed to remove some sane and
> somewhat reasonable Republicans from Congress because they were not
> conservative enough for the Tea Party. It could be argued that Trump came
> out of this extremist movement.
>
> Greens could go after establishment Democrats in the same way in the most
> liberal districts the way that an independent socialist like Sanders
> challenged Clinton within the Democratic Party. Dianne Feinstein in
> California comes to mind.
>
> Sanders was wise to run as a Democrat. He had a much bigger impact on this
> election and on the future than Stein.
>
> It's Congress that a progressive revolution should focus on. Had Sanders
> won
> the nomination (and I supported him fully), there's no reason to think he
> could have accomplished much with this Congress. I'm not a fan of Clinton
> but she is a self serving politician above all else. If elected with a
> progressive Congress in place, she wouldn't resist. In the same way that
> Trump will not resist the Ayn Rand extremism of Paul Ryan if elected.
>
> It largely comes down to the will of the people despite the power of
> corporations. The Conservative Movement is still the number one enemy of
> the
> Progressive Movement, establishment Democrats are #2.
>
>
>
> +7 # Johnny 2016-10-25 13:50
> Like all Hillarybots, Kyzipster and Ash completely ignore Clinton's
> inconvenient promise to establish a "no fly zone" in Syria and to attack
> Iran. But, hey, what's a little thermonuclear war when you can elect the
> first woman president?
>
>
>
> +12 # 74andstillaGadfly 2016-10-25 13:56
> Diane Feinstein a progressive? Ouch
>
>
>
> +18 # John Puma 2016-10-25 12:26
> Actually some think the Green's achieving 5% of the vote - and the public
> funding that goes along with it - would go a long way towards building that
> infrastructure.
>
> Can we expect an actual article about Jill Stein as opposed to yet another
> lecture to the Green Party?
>
> Could RSN's continued shabby treatment be part of the poor polling for the
> Greens?
>
>
>
> +3 # moreover 2016-10-25 13:23
> I just attended a lecture by a political scientist about election
> forecasting and polling: the Greens barely register and there is no
> credible
> poll suggesting they might go above 2%. Wish it were different but looking
> at the existing Green infrastructure (our chapter here has monthly meetings
> with between 4 and 12 attendees) I am not surprised.
>
>
>
> +2 # Ted 2016-10-25 14:33
> All the more reason to continue our support and efforts to build the party.
>
> As more and more true Progressives discover the values and policies (not to
> mention integrity that is NOT to be found within the dems) as laid out on
> the Green Party's website;
>
> GP.ORG
>
> I'm sure this recent surge of support will continue to build for years to
> come.
>
>
>
> +9 # Stilldreamin1 2016-10-25 13:10
> We could do without a lecture. How can Marc Ash bring up 2000 as a
> justification for not voting for a third party? Nader made it closer but
> Gore still won the election- the supreme court stopped the count. We all
> know this- certainly Mr. Ash included. Why no mention of strategic voting.
> If you don't live in a swing state, a vote for the best candidate is
> without
> risk- unless everyone did it. Now that would send a message to the Clinton
> transition team that business as usual will not fly this time.
>
>
>
> -5 # Colleen Clark 2016-10-25 13:21
> If most of the Nader votes had gone to Gore the Supreme Court wouldn't have
> gotten the case and Gore would have won. Self-righteousn ess has no place
> in
> politics.
>
>
>
> -2 # Johnny 2016-10-25 14:01
> Quoting Colleen Clark:
> If most of the Nader votes had gone to Gore the Supreme Court wouldn't have
> gotten the case and Gore would have won. Self-righteousness has no place in
> politics.
>
> Now, there's a self-righteous rant.
>
>
>
> -1 # Lolanne 2016-10-25 14:14
> Quoting Colleen Clark:
> If most of the Nader votes had gone to Gore the Supreme Court wouldn't have
> gotten the case and Gore would have won. Self-righteousness has no place in
> politics.
>
> I don't know why you have negative numbers, Coleen Clark. My thumbs up
> eliminated one of them, at least. My reaction to Stilldreamin1 was exactly
> the same as yours. As one who remembers 2000 all too vividly, I do not
> intend to waste my vote this time as I did then!
>
>
>
> +12 # moreover 2016-10-25 13:31
> I just went back to a 2011 recording I made of Tom Hayden (who died
> Sunday).
> He was talking about the Long War, and how our military budgets are bloated
> beyond belief. This and our war debts prevent even willing politicians to
> move toward meaningful action on progressive agendas.
>
>
>
> +10 # Johnny 2016-10-25 13:47
> Ash is right. There is a difference between Trump and Clinton. Trump is the
> Hitler who destroyed the civil liberties of the German people. Clinton is
> the Hitler who invaded Poland and Russia, and burned Germany to the ground.
> Vote for Jill Stein so you can look your children in the face in the few
> months remaining before Hillary incinerates them in the World War she
> advocates.
>
>
>
> +19 # MichiganProgressive 2016-10-25 13:47
> Strange that you never mention in your article, Marc Ash, that getting
> Stein's Election Day numbers up to 5% is in an of itself a worthwhile goal.
> I'm a Green who voted for Bernie Sanders in the Michigan Democratic
> primary.
>
>
> I do NOT believe Jill Stein will be our next President. I'm not stupid.
> Most
> Greens are pretty smart people. We know that we need to build-up the Green
> Party in order for something like that to become possible down the road,
> and
> one way to do that is to get Jill Stein as many votes as possible on
> November 8th so that the Green Pary will have federal matching funds next
> time. It will take a 5% showing on November 8th. We need to do this. Please
> help, don't hinder! Thank you.
>
>
>
> +12 # 74andstillaGadfly 2016-10-25 13:51
> Sorry Marc, I agree that I don't need a lecture right now. The reason I am
> not voting for Clinton is her no real commitment to climate change. Not
> properly addressing environmental issues Now is already too late. Millions
> of lives are and will continue to be endangered. Clinton's complete silence
> on the Water protectors in North Dakota is pretty clear that she is not
> interested in a healthy future for all living things on this planet. She
> has
> spoken for fracking, pipelines and more gulf oil exploration. throw in her
> hawkish military stands, lives are endanger just as you say.
> I agree with your argument about the dangers of a Trump presidency, but the
> global climate crisis is just as bad if not worse. Yes, this planet will
> survive but all living things on it will not. We are past Peak Oil
> predictions and tumbling quickly into the abyss of greed and head in sand
> mentality. Green Party Jill Stein is the only one still standing that seems
> to see the disaster we are mired in.
> I know she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected but
> provides a small opportunity for voters like me to say... enough! My
> conscious won't let me do less.
> BTW I have never called HRC the devil, I have been very polite to friends
> who are trying to convince me to vote for her. Won't make a speck of
> difference if the First Woman President is elected to the tune of we girls
> are finally out of the kitchen but we all are still cooked.
>
>
>
> +1 # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:22
> Gadfly, I love your moniker .. and your thinking.
>
>
>
> 0 # Victhpooh 2016-10-25 14:23
> How will those lives be if Trump wins, has the GOP agenda behind him and 3
> or so Supreme Court justices in the image of Alito?
>
>
>
> +6 # Polisage 2016-10-25 13:53
> Marc,
>
> It does not matter that Jill Stein has no chance, and that should not be
> what RSN is about. It should not be part of the Hillary machine or the
> Trump
> machine. The operative word is "news."
>
> I am a monthly supporter because I think independent news sources are
> important. The MSM has supported HRC in the most coherent (coordinated?)
> manner. Trump is impulsive and opportunistic. Hillary is organized and
> opportunistic. The two-party system has failed the American people because
> it feels entitled and challenge is not tolerated. Jill and Gary are
> unwelcome in their world. The Donald is an aberration because the two party
> system has failed. We need a third party to break the existing monopoly and
> re-empower the voters. RSN has joined the MSM because it has a "position"
> on
> the election? Marc, get back to first principles of RSN. The election is
> disgusting enough--don't discredit RSN by endorsing some candidates and
> dissing others.
>
>
>
> +3 # Polisage 2016-10-25 14:00
> I quote:
> "NO FUNDING FOR RSN, REALLY? - We have to scratch all month long for what
> minimal budget we function on...Reader Supported News."
>
> There's a message there. Narc, pay attention. You're forgetting the "RS" in
> RSN.
>
>
>
> +4 # Polisage 2016-10-25 14:04
> Sorry Marc, the M and N keys are too close together. Didn't mean to call
> you
> a Narc. What would Freud say?
>
>
>
> +9 # JayaVII 2016-10-25 13:57
> I'm glad that this guy focuses his energy on sending 14 fundraising letters
> a day, not on writing about politics. This is a superficial and
> condescending column, more worthy of the corporate media than a supposedly
> left-wing site. It is the Democratic Party that remains the largest
> obstacle
> to positive change in this society; it is the graveyard of progressivism.
> To
> vote for Hillary Clinton is to endorse her positions, including the Iraq
> War, the Patriot Act and all the other neocon and neoliberal actions she's
> taken. This article fills me with disgust. It feels dirty.
>
>
>
> +9 # Ted 2016-10-25 13:59
> Extremely well written and by far the most convincing arguement to fall in
> line with the duopoly I have read yet.
>
> Unfortunately, the premise is wildly off-target.
>
> The current flocking to the Green Party's values and policies has very
> little to do with a contest between the individuals who are the faces of
> the
> parties. The vast difference between ideologies and priorities of the
> dem/repub party and the Green party, which are rarely if ever discussed by
> the the duopoly party talkingheads are what this is about.
>
> I was actually offended that Marc would stoop to using corporate media poll
> numbers (proven to be tampered with by the wikileak of Podesta emails) in
> his arguement when he should know we could very easily counter those biased
> results with more targeted polls (meetwethepeopl e 31percent overall US, 46
> percent California) that show a vastly different sentiment among
> impassioned
> voters.
>
> Quite frankly, I'm not interested in building a stronger democratic party
> from the bottom up, which I see as fatally corrupt at the controlling top
> end.
>
> For me, the Green Party is offering a clean, honest, fresh start, free of
> the deeply embedded corporate ties and their agenda.
>
> Integrity, honesty, proper priorities and people-focussed policies are what
> I will be voting for this year.
>
> The dems blew it. big time.
>
>
>
> +10 # janie1893 2016-10-25 14:02
> Don't vote for who you think might win! (I have never understood the logic
> behind this rationale).
> Vote for the person or party that you want to run our country and keep on
> voting for them. Eventually they will win recognition.
>
>
>
> -10 # No Go 2016-10-25 14:09
> Trump is a repulsive, racist, misogynistic, megalomaniacal nincompoop, and
> anyone who votes for him falls somewhere within that frame of reference, or
> is just plain stupid.
> Stein has taken odd positions on issues, such as praising the Brexit vote,
> then deleting her praise from her website, raised doubts about the wisdom
> of
> vaccines, then backtracked, and, generally, demonstrated that she is not
> qualified to be President.
> Gary Johnson is loopy, plain and simple, and has amply demonstrated that he
> is unqualified to be President.
> Hillary Clinton is highly qualified to be President, and is supported by
> eminent progressive leaders such as Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, John
> Lewis, and Dolores Huerta, as well as millions of other decent, caring,
> progressive American citizens, and for good reason.
> Hillary has articulated smart and progressive policy positions on numerous
> important issues, which, for anyone who can read and is interested, can be
> found at:
> https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
>
>
>
> +3 # Ted 2016-10-25 14:23
> Just to clarify (again) the twisting of Stein's stand on vaccines..
>
> Dr. Stein has said, and ONLY said, that she advocates for stronger testing
> oversight of vaccine testing, oversight that does NOT include
> representatives of big pharma that stands to profit immensely from the
> testing of those products.
>
> That is the ENTIRETY of DR. Jill Stein's stand on vaccinatination s, all
> else is lies.
>
>
>
> +2 # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:31
> Stein was a practicing physician and followed the vaccination schedule with
> her patients.
>
>
>
> +12 # Old Uncle Dave 2016-10-25 14:14
> Over 90% of the female tennis players stand no chance of beating Serena
> Williams. Should they not bother to enter the tournaments?
>
>
>
> +7 # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:16
> Good grief, Mr. Ash, could you PLEASE tell us what is going on with our
> profile pages and the accounts?
>
> ARE people being censored or banned?
>
> Why can't we see our profile pages? Is that going to change?
>
> Why are posts and threads disappearing? Will you post guidelines?
>
> Is there censoring of anti-Clinton posts?
>
> Why can't RMDC access the site from his/her server? Is s/he banned?
>
>
>
> -3 # alan17b0 2016-10-25 14:18
> I live in Maryland, where HRC has a 30 point
> advantage over DT. Hence I have a Free Vote(TM).
> I plan to vote for Jill Stein, and am urging others
> in my community to do the same. HRC can afford
> to lose 10 points of her advantage, and perhaps
> we can build the Greens here to get 5% oe 8% of
> the vote here.
>
> This argument applies to many many states; e.g.
> MA, NY, CA, IL, . . . A test: if neither HRC or
> DT are campaigning in your state, then your state
> is either solid Blue or solid Red, and you have
> a Free Vote. For those living in Pennsylvania,
> North Carolina, or Florida, drop Jill Stein like
> a hot potato, and beet the bushes for Hillary.
>
> Alan McConnell, in Silver Spring MD.
>
>
>
> -4 # Victhpooh 2016-10-25 14:20
> Thank you Marc, for the guts it took to praise Hillary and point out that
> Stein is not ready to be president. It seems to me that a lot of people are
> 'for Stein' because Bernie lost. Jill Stein is NOT Bernie Sanders. If she
> was, he'd be supporting her. As sorry as I am that Bernie lost, I'm not
> about to vote for someone who is just simply not ready or able to be
> president and hasn't got a chance. I'm also disappointed with her VP choice
> who has said some anti Semitic things and has called Bernie Sanders a
> 'white
> supremacist'. The first choice you make as a candidate is choosing a
> competent and qualified running mate and in my opinion, she failed 'bigly'.
> I'm voting FOR Hillary and at the same time, AGAINST Trump.
>
>
>
> +3 # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:29
> And Hillary's VP is anti-choice, pro-TPP, pro-Wall Street and pro-fracking,
> while HRC is pro-war.
>
> How is THAT not a problem?
>
>
>
> -3 # elizabethf 2016-10-25 14:31
> A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.
>
>
>
> 0 # Ted 2016-10-25 14:37
> Wait! Wait! My turn!
>
> Eating an Apple is actually eating an Orange!
>
>
>
> 0 # Anonymot 2016-10-25 14:36
> MARC ASH:
>
> I think something has gone wrong here and that you need to put in a large
> COMMENT at the top to clarify if the DNC or someone has bugged or hacked
> the
> RSN site.
>
> If you are closing RSN, say so.
>
> If you are banning or censoring, say so.
>
> If there's simply a technical problem, tell your readers.
>
> NOW!
>
>
>
> 0 # guomashi 2016-10-25 14:38
> A disgustingly disingenuous article.
> Example:
>
> "To say that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald
> Trump
> echoes the disastrous memes of 1968 and 2000. No difference between Hubert
> Humphrey and Richard Nixon? No difference between George W. Bush and Al
> Gore?
>
> The difference was life and death for millions. "
>
> So apparently Mr. Ash has been reading comments here, but not understanding
> them.
> No one has said Trump and Clinton are not different. No one.
> As for Mr. Ash's second paragraph: yes, indeed! The difference between
> Trump
> and Clinton will be life and death for millions. Now let's see if Mr. Ash
> can guess which one wants to start WW III and kill millions?
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> Green Party presidential candidate Dr. Jill Stein. (photo: American Herald
> Tribune)
> http://readersupportednews.org/http://readersupportednews.org/
> Jill Stein
> By Marc Ash, Reader Supported News
> 25 October 16
> any of our readers are strongly advocating the candidacy of Jill Stein. The
> problem is that, polling at 2% nationally, she has no chance whatsoever of
> being elected. In fact, former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, running
> under the Libertarian banner, has triple the supporters Stein has, and he
> doesn't even appear to be totally coherent.
> So it isn't really a candidacy at all that Stein's supporters are
> promoting,
> it's more of an ideal or a lecture on political responsibility. The
> candidacy provides the platform for the ideology.
> The reason Sanders succeeded in being viable as a presidential candidate is
> that he was able to convince progressive Democrats that supporting him
> would
> not open the door to another Richard Nixon or George W. Bush.
> American Green Party activists have long understood that the ranks of
> progressive Democrats held the potential for large numbers of third-party
> recruits. What they never understood was that for progressives to come to
> their movement, there had to be a "safe means of transit."
> The Greens think that just because rank and file Democratic voters resent
> the Democratic Party, they're going to leave and join the Green Party. That
> won't happen until the GP infrastructure is in place.
> In fairness to Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, the platform they
> have crafted is full of wonderful ideas. It's the most socially responsive
> presidential platform of the current candidates. But they knew at the time
> that they crafted it that in all likelihood they would never have to
> materially deliver on any of it. As a result they were free to make a
> purely
> political statement.
> To say that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
> echoes the disastrous memes of 1968 and 2000. No difference between Hubert
> Humphrey and Richard Nixon? No difference between George W. Bush and Al
> Gore?
> The difference was life and death for millions. The choice of political
> leaders always carries great consequence. The higher the office, the
> greater
> the significance.
> What Sanders understood was that he could push the Democratic Party for
> fundamental political change and reform but he had to demonstrate that he
> would not open the door to a Ted Cruz or a Donald Trump.
> Sanders, a well noted Socialist running within the Democratic Party
> structure and vowing not to go rogue with an independent campaign should he
> fail to gain the Democratic nomination, garnered more progressive
> Democratic
> support than all Green Party presidential candidates combined. He did it
> and
> is still doing it without demonizing anyone.
> Demonizing Democrats as a strategy for building a Green Party has always
> failed, and should be declared dead by anyone who really wants to organize.
> What is needed is "honest organizing." When you have no chance of winning
> and you are staying in the race to garner public attention for what you see
> as socially beneficial policies or perhaps to get enough votes to qualify
> for federal funding in the next presidential election, then you need to say
> that. Painting the Democratic candidate as the devil to achieve those ends
> is ludicrous.
> What the Green Party needs is organizing and infrastructure. The Green
> Party
> can't afford an adversarial relationship with the Democrats. They need an
> alliance. Such an alliance would aid, not deter, Green organizing.
> For those who are serious about an American Green Party, follow Sanders'
> lead. Infiltrate the Democratic Party and make change impossible to ignore.
> Collaborate with Our Revolution and similar organizations. Demonstrate the
> kind of leadership that builds confidence by showing confidence in your own
> ideas.
> The American left is hungry for change - build it.
>
> Marc Ash is the founder and former Executive Director of Truthout, and is
> now founder and Editor of Reader Supported News.
> Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work.
> Permission
> to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader
> Supported News.
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> No
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> ersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/kyzipster
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> valid.+12 # kyzipster 2016-10-25 12:03
> Well said Marc.
>
> I hate to say it but perhaps real progressives should follow the Tea Party
> example. I'm well aware that the Tea Party was a creation of the media but
> it evolved into a real force challenging establishment Republicans in
> Congress and at the state level. They managed to remove some sane and
> somewhat reasonable Republicans from Congress because they were not
> conservative enough for the Tea Party. It could be argued that Trump came
> out of this extremist movement.
>
> Greens could go after establishment Democrats in the same way in the most
> liberal districts the way that an independent socialist like Sanders
> challenged Clinton within the Democratic Party. Dianne Feinstein in
> California comes to mind.
>
> Sanders was wise to run as a Democrat. He had a much bigger impact on this
> election and on the future than Stein.
>
> It's Congress that a progressive revolution should focus on. Had Sanders
> won
> the nomination (and I supported him fully), there's no reason to think he
> could have accomplished much with this Congress. I'm not a fan of Clinton
> but she is a self serving politician above all else. If elected with a
> progressive Congress in place, she wouldn't resist. In the same way that
> Trump will not resist the Ayn Rand extremism of Paul Ryan if elected.
>
> It largely comes down to the will of the people despite the power of
> corporations. The Conservative Movement is still the number one enemy of
> the
> Progressive Movement, establishment Democrats are #2.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Johnnyhttp://readers
> upportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Johnny
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> # Johnny 2016-10-25 13:50
> Like all Hillarybots, Kyzipster and Ash completely ignore Clinton's
> inconvenient promise to establish a "no fly zone" in Syria and to attack
> Iran. But, hey, what's a little thermonuclear war when you can elect the
> first woman president?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/74andstillaGadflyhtt
> p://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/74andstillaGadfly
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> valid.+12 # 74andstillaGadfly 2016-10-25 13:56
> Diane Feinstein a progressive? Ouch
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/John
> Pumahttp://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/John Puma
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> Actually some think the Green's achieving 5% of the vote - and the public
> funding that goes along with it - would go a long way towards building that
> infrastructure.
>
> Can we expect an actual article about Jill Stein as opposed to yet another
> lecture to the Green Party?
>
> Could RSN's continued shabby treatment be part of the poor polling for the
> Greens?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/moreoverhttp://reade
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> # moreover 2016-10-25 13:23
> I just attended a lecture by a political scientist about election
> forecasting and polling: the Greens barely register and there is no
> credible
> poll suggesting they might go above 2%. Wish it were different but looking
> at the existing Green infrastructure (our chapter here has monthly meetings
> with between 4 and 12 attendees) I am not surprised.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Tedhttp://readersupp
> ortednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Ted
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> # Ted 2016-10-25 14:33
> All the more reason to continue our support and efforts to build the party.
>
> As more and more true Progressives discover the values and policies (not to
> mention integrity that is NOT to be found within the dems) as laid out on
> the Green Party's website;
>
> GP.ORG
>
> I'm sure this recent surge of support will continue to build for years to
> come.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Stilldreamin1http://
> readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Stilldreamin1
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> # Stilldreamin1 2016-10-25 13:10
> We could do without a lecture. How can Marc Ash bring up 2000 as a
> justification for not voting for a third party? Nader made it closer but
> Gore still won the election- the supreme court stopped the count. We all
> know this- certainly Mr. Ash included. Why no mention of strategic voting.
> If you don't live in a swing state, a vote for the best candidate is
> without
> risk- unless everyone did it. Now that would send a message to the Clinton
> transition team that business as usual will not fly this time.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Colleen
> Clarkhttp://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Colleen Clark
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> # Colleen Clark 2016-10-25 13:21
> If most of the Nader votes had gone to Gore the Supreme Court wouldn't have
> gotten the case and Gore would have won. Self-righteousn ess has no place
> in
> politics.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Johnnyhttp://readers
> upportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Johnny
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> # Johnny 2016-10-25 14:01
> Quoting Colleen Clark:
> If most of the Nader votes had gone to Gore the Supreme Court wouldn't have
> gotten the case and Gore would have won. Self-righteousness has no place in
> politics.
>
> Now, there's a self-righteous rant.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Lolannehttp://reader
> supportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Lolanne
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> # Lolanne 2016-10-25 14:14
> Quoting Colleen Clark:
> If most of the Nader votes had gone to Gore the Supreme Court wouldn't have
> gotten the case and Gore would have won. Self-righteousness has no place in
> politics.
>
> I don't know why you have negative numbers, Coleen Clark. My thumbs up
> eliminated one of them, at least. My reaction to Stilldreamin1 was exactly
> the same as yours. As one who remembers 2000 all too vividly, I do not
> intend to waste my vote this time as I did then!
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/moreoverhttp://reade
> rsupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/moreover
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> valid.+12 # moreover 2016-10-25 13:31
> I just went back to a 2011 recording I made of Tom Hayden (who died
> Sunday).
> He was talking about the Long War, and how our military budgets are bloated
> beyond belief. This and our war debts prevent even willing politicians to
> move toward meaningful action on progressive agendas.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Johnnyhttp://readers
> upportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Johnny
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> valid.+10 # Johnny 2016-10-25 13:47
> Ash is right. There is a difference between Trump and Clinton. Trump is the
> Hitler who destroyed the civil liberties of the German people. Clinton is
> the Hitler who invaded Poland and Russia, and burned Germany to the ground.
> Vote for Jill Stein so you can look your children in the face in the few
> months remaining before Hillary incinerates them in the World War she
> advocates.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/MichiganProgressiveh
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> valid.+19 # MichiganProgressive 2016-10-25 13:47
> Strange that you never mention in your article, Marc Ash, that getting
> Stein's Election Day numbers up to 5% is in an of itself a worthwhile goal.
> I'm a Green who voted for Bernie Sanders in the Michigan Democratic
> primary.
>
>
> I do NOT believe Jill Stein will be our next President. I'm not stupid.
> Most
> Greens are pretty smart people. We know that we need to build-up the Green
> Party in order for something like that to become possible down the road,
> and
> one way to do that is to get Jill Stein as many votes as possible on
> November 8th so that the Green Pary will have federal matching funds next
> time. It will take a 5% showing on November 8th. We need to do this. Please
> help, don't hinder! Thank you.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/74andstillaGadflyhtt
> p://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/74andstillaGadfly
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> valid.+12 # 74andstillaGadfly 2016-10-25 13:51
> Sorry Marc, I agree that I don't need a lecture right now. The reason I am
> not voting for Clinton is her no real commitment to climate change. Not
> properly addressing environmental issues Now is already too late. Millions
> of lives are and will continue to be endangered. Clinton's complete silence
> on the Water protectors in North Dakota is pretty clear that she is not
> interested in a healthy future for all living things on this planet. She
> has
> spoken for fracking, pipelines and more gulf oil exploration. throw in her
> hawkish military stands, lives are endanger just as you say.
> I agree with your argument about the dangers of a Trump presidency, but the
> global climate crisis is just as bad if not worse. Yes, this planet will
> survive but all living things on it will not. We are past Peak Oil
> predictions and tumbling quickly into the abyss of greed and head in sand
> mentality. Green Party Jill Stein is the only one still standing that seems
> to see the disaster we are mired in.
> I know she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected but
> provides a small opportunity for voters like me to say... enough! My
> conscious won't let me do less.
> BTW I have never called HRC the devil, I have been very polite to friends
> who are trying to convince me to vote for her. Won't make a speck of
> difference if the First Woman President is elected to the tune of we girls
> are finally out of the kitchen but we all are still cooked.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984http://
> readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984
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> # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:22
> Gadfly, I love your moniker .. and your thinking.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Victhpoohhttp://read
> ersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Victhpooh
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> # Victhpooh 2016-10-25 14:23
> How will those lives be if Trump wins, has the GOP agenda behind him and 3
> or so Supreme Court justices in the image of Alito?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Polisagehttp://reade
> rsupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Polisage
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> # Polisage 2016-10-25 13:53
> Marc,
>
> It does not matter that Jill Stein has no chance, and that should not be
> what RSN is about. It should not be part of the Hillary machine or the
> Trump
> machine. The operative word is "news."
>
> I am a monthly supporter because I think independent news sources are
> important. The MSM has supported HRC in the most coherent (coordinated?)
> manner. Trump is impulsive and opportunistic. Hillary is organized and
> opportunistic. The two-party system has failed the American people because
> it feels entitled and challenge is not tolerated. Jill and Gary are
> unwelcome in their world. The Donald is an aberration because the two party
> system has failed. We need a third party to break the existing monopoly and
> re-empower the voters. RSN has joined the MSM because it has a "position"
> on
> the election? Marc, get back to first principles of RSN. The election is
> disgusting enough--don't discredit RSN by endorsing some candidates and
> dissing others.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Polisagehttp://reade
> rsupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Polisage
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> # Polisage 2016-10-25 14:00
> I quote:
> "NO FUNDING FOR RSN, REALLY? - We have to scratch all month long for what
> minimal budget we function on...Reader Supported News."
>
> There's a message there. Narc, pay attention. You're forgetting the "RS" in
> RSN.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Polisagehttp://reade
> rsupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Polisage
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> # Polisage 2016-10-25 14:04
> Sorry Marc, the M and N keys are too close together. Didn't mean to call
> you
> a Narc. What would Freud say?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/JayaVIIhttp://reader
> supportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/JayaVII
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> # JayaVII 2016-10-25 13:57
> I'm glad that this guy focuses his energy on sending 14 fundraising letters
> a day, not on writing about politics. This is a superficial and
> condescending column, more worthy of the corporate media than a supposedly
> left-wing site. It is the Democratic Party that remains the largest
> obstacle
> to positive change in this society; it is the graveyard of progressivism.
> To
> vote for Hillary Clinton is to endorse her positions, including the Iraq
> War, the Patriot Act and all the other neocon and neoliberal actions she's
> taken. This article fills me with disgust. It feels dirty.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Tedhttp://readersupp
> ortednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Ted
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> # Ted 2016-10-25 13:59
> Extremely well written and by far the most convincing arguement to fall in
> line with the duopoly I have read yet.
>
> Unfortunately, the premise is wildly off-target.
>
> The current flocking to the Green Party's values and policies has very
> little to do with a contest between the individuals who are the faces of
> the
> parties. The vast difference between ideologies and priorities of the
> dem/repub party and the Green party, which are rarely if ever discussed by
> the the duopoly party talkingheads are what this is about.
>
> I was actually offended that Marc would stoop to using corporate media poll
> numbers (proven to be tampered with by the wikileak of Podesta emails) in
> his arguement when he should know we could very easily counter those biased
> results with more targeted polls (meetwethepeopl e 31percent overall US, 46
> percent California) that show a vastly different sentiment among
> impassioned
> voters.
>
> Quite frankly, I'm not interested in building a stronger democratic party
> from the bottom up, which I see as fatally corrupt at the controlling top
> end.
>
> For me, the Green Party is offering a clean, honest, fresh start, free of
> the deeply embedded corporate ties and their agenda.
>
> Integrity, honesty, proper priorities and people-focussed policies are what
> I will be voting for this year.
>
> The dems blew it. big time.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/janie1893http://read
> ersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/janie1893
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> valid.+10 # janie1893 2016-10-25 14:02
> Don't vote for who you think might win! (I have never understood the logic
> behind this rationale).
> Vote for the person or party that you want to run our country and keep on
> voting for them. Eventually they will win recognition.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/No
> Gohttp://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/No Go
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> valid.-10 # No Go 2016-10-25 14:09
> Trump is a repulsive, racist, misogynistic, megalomaniacal nincompoop, and
> anyone who votes for him falls somewhere within that frame of reference, or
> is just plain stupid.
> Stein has taken odd positions on issues, such as praising the Brexit vote,
> then deleting her praise from her website, raised doubts about the wisdom
> of
> vaccines, then backtracked, and, generally, demonstrated that she is not
> qualified to be President.
> Gary Johnson is loopy, plain and simple, and has amply demonstrated that he
> is unqualified to be President.
> Hillary Clinton is highly qualified to be President, and is supported by
> eminent progressive leaders such as Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, John
> Lewis, and Dolores Huerta, as well as millions of other decent, caring,
> progressive American citizens, and for good reason.
> Hillary has articulated smart and progressive policy positions on numerous
> important issues, which, for anyone who can read and is interested, can be
> found at:
> https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Tedhttp://readersupp
> ortednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Ted
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> # Ted 2016-10-25 14:23
> Just to clarify (again) the twisting of Stein's stand on vaccines..
>
> Dr. Stein has said, and ONLY said, that she advocates for stronger testing
> oversight of vaccine testing, oversight that does NOT include
> representatives of big pharma that stands to profit immensely from the
> testing of those products.
>
> That is the ENTIRETY of DR. Jill Stein's stand on vaccinatination s, all
> else is lies.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984http://
> readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984
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> # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:31
> Stein was a practicing physician and followed the vaccination schedule with
> her patients.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Old Uncle
> Davehttp://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Old Uncle Dave
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> Over 90% of the female tennis players stand no chance of beating Serena
> Williams. Should they not bother to enter the tournaments?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984http://
> readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984
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> # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:16
> Good grief, Mr. Ash, could you PLEASE tell us what is going on with our
> profile pages and the accounts?
>
> ARE people being censored or banned?
>
> Why can't we see our profile pages? Is that going to change?
>
> Why are posts and threads disappearing? Will you post guidelines?
>
> Is there censoring of anti-Clinton posts?
>
> Why can't RMDC access the site from his/her server? Is s/he banned?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/alan17b0http://reade
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> # alan17b0 2016-10-25 14:18
> I live in Maryland, where HRC has a 30 point
> advantage over DT. Hence I have a Free Vote(TM).
> I plan to vote for Jill Stein, and am urging others
> in my community to do the same. HRC can afford
> to lose 10 points of her advantage, and perhaps
> we can build the Greens here to get 5% oe 8% of
> the vote here.
>
> This argument applies to many many states; e.g.
> MA, NY, CA, IL, . . . A test: if neither HRC or
> DT are campaigning in your state, then your state
> is either solid Blue or solid Red, and you have
> a Free Vote. For those living in Pennsylvania,
> North Carolina, or Florida, drop Jill Stein like
> a hot potato, and beet the bushes for Hillary.
>
> Alan McConnell, in Silver Spring MD.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Victhpoohhttp://read
> ersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Victhpooh
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> # Victhpooh 2016-10-25 14:20
> Thank you Marc, for the guts it took to praise Hillary and point out that
> Stein is not ready to be president. It seems to me that a lot of people are
> 'for Stein' because Bernie lost. Jill Stein is NOT Bernie Sanders. If she
> was, he'd be supporting her. As sorry as I am that Bernie lost, I'm not
> about to vote for someone who is just simply not ready or able to be
> president and hasn't got a chance. I'm also disappointed with her VP choice
> who has said some anti Semitic things and has called Bernie Sanders a
> 'white
> supremacist'. The first choice you make as a candidate is choosing a
> competent and qualified running mate and in my opinion, she failed 'bigly'.
> I'm voting FOR Hillary and at the same time, AGAINST Trump.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984http://
> readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/librarian1984
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> # librarian1984 2016-10-25 14:29
> And Hillary's VP is anti-choice, pro-TPP, pro-Wall Street and pro-fracking,
> while HRC is pro-war.
>
> How is THAT not a problem?
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/elizabethfhttp://rea
> dersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/elizabethf
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> # elizabethf 2016-10-25 14:31
> A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Tedhttp://readersupp
> ortednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Ted
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> # Ted 2016-10-25 14:37
> Wait! Wait! My turn!
>
> Eating an Apple is actually eating an Orange!
> http://readersupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Anonymothttp://reade
> rsupportednews.org/user-profile/userprofile/Anonymot
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> # Anonymot 2016-10-25 14:36
> MARC ASH:
>
> I think something has gone wrong here and that you need to put in a large
> COMMENT at the top to clarify if the DNC or someone has bugged or hacked
> the
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> # guomashi 2016-10-25 14:38
> A disgustingly disingenuous article.
> Example:
>
> "To say that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald
> Trump
> echoes the disastrous memes of 1968 and 2000. No difference between Hubert
> Humphrey and Richard Nixon? No difference between George W. Bush and Al
> Gore?
>
> The difference was life and death for millions. "
>
> So apparently Mr. Ash has been reading comments here, but not understanding
> them.
> No one has said Trump and Clinton are not different. No one.
> As for Mr. Ash's second paragraph: yes, indeed! The difference between
> Trump
> and Clinton will be life and death for millions. Now let's see if Mr. Ash
> can guess which one wants to start WW III and kill millions?
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> /opinion2/277-75/39822-focus-war-or-peace/opinion2/277-75/39822-focus-war-or
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> FOCUS: War or Peace?
> Dennis Kucinich, World Beyond War
> 22 October 2016
> /opinion2/277-75/39858-focus-bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-politician-i
> n-america/opinion2/277-75/39858-focus-bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-pol
> itician-in-america
> FOCUS: Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America
> Matt Karp, Jacobin
> 24 October 2016
> /opinion2/277-75/39819-documenting-trumps-abuse-of-women/opinion2/277-75/398
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> Documenting Trump's Abuse of Women
> Jane Mayer, The New Yorker
> 22 October 2016
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> on-dakota-access-pipeline-protests/news-section2/318-66/39847-north-dakota-p
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> Protests
> Kit O'Connell, MintPress News
> 23 October 2016
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> /opinion2/277-75/39839-focus-our-hillary/opinion2/277-75/39839-focus-our-hil
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> FOCUS: Our Hillary
> Stephen Eric Bronner, Reader Supported News
> 23 October 2016
> /opinion2/277-75/39829-michael-moore-its-not-just-trump-on-the-ballot-racism
> -and-misogyny-are-also-on-the-ballot-this-year/opinion2/277-75/39829-michael
> -moore-its-not-just-trump-on-the-ballot-racism-and-misogyny-are-also-on-the-
> ballot-this-year
> Michael Moore: It's Not Just Trump on the Ballot. Racism and Misogyny Are
> Also on the Ballot This Year.
> Jason Newman, Rolling Stone
> 22 October 2016
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> ection-day/opinion2/277-75/39857-the-republican-party-owns-donald-trumps-act
> ions-on-election-day
> The Republican Party Owns Donald Trump's Actions on Election Day
> Frank Rich, New York Magazine
> 24 October 2016
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> pipeline-protest/opinion2/277-75/39859-focus-the-truth-about-my-arrest-at-th
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> FOCUS: The Truth About My Arrest at the Dakota Access Pipeline Protest
> Shailene Woodley, Time
> 24 October 2016
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> syria/opinion2/277-75/39848-why-president-hillary-will-not-stop-the-slaughte
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> Why President Hillary Will Not Stop the Slaughter in Syria
> Steve Weissman, Reader Supported News
> 23 October 2016
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