Fwd: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump

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From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:01:09 -0400
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
To: blind-democracy@freelists.org

There's a segment from The Real News in which Peter Cuznick describes
the interaction between FDR and Stalin during the Yalta Conference and
how Truman changed everything and turned, what could have been a
cooperative relationship between Russia and the US, into the cold war.
And it's also probably in the books that he and Oliver Stone have on
Bookshare. I listened to this little tidbit the other day and it made
me ill.

Miriam

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
<blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:56 PM
To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump

I was ten years old when the Second World War ended. My dad had taken
me to several newsreels showing battle scenes during the war. The
last newsreel we saw showed the American troops and the Russian troops
joining together after having driven back the German troops. They
laughed and slapped one another on the backs, and the Russians grabbed
the heads of Americans and kissed them on both cheeks. It was
wonderful for this ten year old boy to see. World War turned into
World Peace. But the year was not over before I heard on the radio
how Joseph Stalin had tricked Roosevelt and Churchill, and how we
Peace Loving Americans couldn't trust those cheating, back stabbing
Commies. And the same people who I'd seen weeping and laughing along
with me, as the American troops and the Russian troops hugged and
kissed, now snarled and cursed those Russians. That was when I
learned the meaning of the expression, fickle minded.
Of course we never sat in class and compared the American Constitution
with the Constitution of the Soviet Union. We just took the honest,
trustworthy word of our Leaders. They were all honest people,
untouched by the money of the Ruling Class.
We knew this because they told us so. And now only the names have
been changed to introduce the latest pack of crooks.
I actually still blush when some of our American political leaders go
off on Russia or China for doing exactly what our nation is doing. It
gives new meaning to the word, Sellout!

Carl Jarvis

On 3/30/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> I never learned anything about the Russian constitution, and I'm sure
> that no one else living in the western world did either. One would
> have had to seek out that information, and it wouldn't have been all
> that easy for most people to do so, before the internet. And if you
> weren't around in 1946 to watch how our government was able to
> demonize the Russian government and its people in the minds of
> Americans, you can see a replay of it right now, starting in 2013 and
> escalating after the presidential election. And although Obama was no
> Stalin, I watched how people blinded themselves to his faults and made
> excuses for him from the day he was elected. I remember having a
> discussion with Joe on the phone, about him back then. Joe was doing what every other Democrat was doing, making excuses for him.
>
> Miriam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:45 PM
> To: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@aol.com>
> Cc: blind-democracy@freelists.org; my blog carl jarvis
> <carjar82.carls@blogger.com>
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
>
> Agreed. And that should be a warning to those who rattle sabers
> without knowing how to secure their goal.
> When others have control over such important areas as education and
> the media, how do we "pre-educate" Americans? How do we undo all of
> the myths, the lies and the misconceptions that have been spun in
> order to keep us distracted and under the boot of those who own the American Empire?
> There were far better men than Joe Stalin, in as far as establishing a
> People's Government. But Stalin knew how to grab power. That should
> be first and foremost in our minds when a change of government begins.
> Given the confusion and distortion hammered into our heads, how do we
> avoid handing ourselves over to the Next Stalin?
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
>
> On 3/29/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Frankly, I think that the most democratic constitution with the most
>> progressive guarantees of human rights that the world has ever known
>> was the constitution of the Soviet Union. It's too bad that the
>> Stalinist government ignored it and it is too bad that the Stalinists
>> took over before it could be fully implemented.
>> ---
>>
>> Carl Sagan
>> " The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with.
>> It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices.
>> It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But
>> our preferences do not determine what's true. "
>> ― Carl Sagan
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/2019 7:20 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
>>> Each of us could probably draw up our own "ten most horrible presidents"
>>> list.
>>> And with only a few exceptions, the lists would be different.
>>> Because the United States of America was a myth, a wonderful Fairy
>>> Tale of Once Upon a Time. The new nation's constitution was an
>>> amazing document, a model parroted by nations down through the years.
>>> But all of its freedoms and all of its human rights were not given
>>> to All of the People. This new document, as wonderful as it read,
>>> was meant only for the White, Male, Landed Gentry. The Working
>>> Class, which was most of the remaining population, had to fight
>>> constantly in order to have access to any of those "Inalienable
>>> Rights" set down in the Constitution. Since the men, all White up
>>> until Barack Obama took office some 238 years later, were owned by
>>> that Oligarchy, including Obama, the selection of presidential
>>> candidates was restricted to a very specific group of right-minded men.
>>> Despite the wide variety of surface differences, these men all
>>> passed the approval of those they would serve. On my "Most
>>> Horrible" list I place Andrew Jackson high. Jackson was a cold,
>>> heartless Racist of the First Order. But Andrew Johnson had to be
>>> elbowing his way toward the top spot, too. Grant was incompetent
>>> and so was Harding...as well as being a womanizer and a crook.
>>> Wilson and Truman were "Chicken Hawks" as well as Racists. Even the
>>> great FDR was a mixed bag, playing footsie with the Dixicrats and
>>> his dealings with the Americans of Japanese descent. Kennedy was a
>>> pretty boy womanizer, along with Clinton. Nixon was a Traitor and a
>>> liar, and Reagan was pressed so closely to the backside of the
>>> wealthy elite that his lips were a permanent brown. The first Bush
>>> was a kinder gentler mass murderer and his son was an idiot mass
>>> murderer(apologies to kind, sane, decent
>>> idiots).
>>> Bill Clinton, like Barack Obama, learned to play ball with the
>>> Establishment. Their major difference was that Bill was/is a big
>>> time womanizer, and Obama is...well...is a "compromiser".
>>> This brings me to Donald Trump, and I'm already about 4 or 5 over my
>>> allotted ten. But that's alright, because Donald Trump, despite the
>>> massess of media coverage he receives, is a run of the mill
>>> professional chiseler. He comes in all colors and fancy clothes.
>>> He smirks at you as he sizes up your total worth. He will cheat, or
>>> give generously...although he can give without giving. Donald Trump
>>> is the poster boy for the New Successful American. Donald Trump is
>>> all the things we are told that we value.
>>> What do you think? Look like a picture of you?
>>>
>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>
>>> On 3/29/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure I care about historians, nor do I care about Marxist
>>>> theory when it comes to judging presidents. and I think we need
>>>> to judge what we have on the basis of the reality in which we find
>>>> ourselves. In my lifetime, given their effects on the well being of
>>>> the majority of people, Trump is the worst. W. Bush is next in line.
>>>> But Reagan started us on this road to hell. Truman sinned against
>>>> humanity by being responsible for dropping the atom bombs and
>>>> starting the cold war. So maybe he's the worst.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Roger Loran
>>>> Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 3:04 PM
>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
>>>>
>>>> I don't necessarily give a lot of credence to bourgeois
>>>> presidential historians because my class perspective is entirely
>>>> different than theirs, but, nevertheless, I understand that until
>>>> now most presidential historians named Herbert Hoover as the worst
>>>> president ever. I have seen some articles that now name Donald
>>>> Trump as having supplanted that position.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Carl Sagan
>>>> " The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with.
>>>> It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held
>>>> prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want
>>>> to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. "
>>>> ― Carl Sagan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/29/2019 12:59 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
>>>>> Mostafa wrote: "He's the worst president to ever operate in the
>>>>> oval office."
>>>>> Sorry Mostafa, Donald Trump is only one of a large number of
>>>>> corrupt, mentally unbalanced men to achieve the presidency.
>>>>> The United States of America has a violent history, which I will
>>>>> not go into here. But if you care to read a fairly objective and
>>>>> accurate account of the growth of this nation, read Howard Zinn's
>>>>> "A People's History of the United States". That Oval Office has
>>>>> seated some very honorable and honest men. But it has also seen
>>>>> corrupt and greedy and self serving men.
>>>>> Personally, I believe that the honest American, who cares about
>>>>> his people and about how we treat the people of the world, still
>>>>> outnumber the cheats and those who worship the Golden Calf.
>>>>> Carl Jarvis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/28/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Some states split their electoral votes. I think Nebraska is one.
>>>>>> Or am I thinking of another midwest state?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl Sagan
>>>>>> " The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple
>>>>>> with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held
>>>>>> prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want
>>>>>> to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true. "
>>>>>> ― Carl Sagan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/28/2019 10:07 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
>>>>>>> Mustafa,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to correct one of the things you said. The majority of
>>>>>>> Americans did not elect Donald Trump. If the president were
>>>>>>> elected as he or she should be, by a majority of the votes cast,
>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton would have won the election. She received 3
>>>>>>> million more votes than Mr. Trump. He became President in the
>>>>>>> same way that George W. Bush did. Their election was due to a
>>>>>>> mechanism called the electoral college. The electoral college
>>>>>>> was developed in order to deny the vote to the ordinary people.
>>>>>>> Each state is allotted a certain number of electoral votes. If
>>>>>>> the majority of the popular vote goes to the Republican party,
>>>>>>> for example, then all of the electoral votes in that particular
>>>>>>> state go to the presidential candidate.
>>>>>>> So if 51% of people in Michigan voted for Trump, he'd get all of
>>>>>>> the electoral votes, not 51% of them. He won because a few key
>>>>>>> states had a majority of Republican votes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many complicated reasons that explain why the US
>>>>>>> government is functioning as it is at this point. But in
>>>>>>> addition to all of the historical, sociological, and financial
>>>>>>> reasons, it is important to recognize that Donald J. Trump is a
>>>>>>> mentally, emotionally disabled man, who, along with having been
>>>>>>> dishonest and sheltered by his wealth from the consequences of
>>>>>>> his actions for all of his life, is not competent to undertake
>>>>>>> the tasks of the presidency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miriam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>>>>>> Almahdy
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:21 PM
>>>>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Donald Trump
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, although I am not American, I'd still like to join the
>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wonder, how would George Washington react if he encountered
>>>>>>> Donald Trump operating in the White House? I bet he would have
>>>>>>> gone mad. He would say, who has brought this hellion here? He
>>>>>>> won't imagine that the majority of Americans are the ones who
>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>> Trump isn't himself the prob, he's just a tool that governs the
>>>>>>> corporal establishment and its material plethora. It is a system
>>>>>>> that aids the rich to constantly become richer and the poor
>>>>>>> shall constantly become poorer.
>>>>>>> As I decisively stated, the practice of lobbyism is the major
>>>>>>> factor by which law enforcement has been perfectly surmounted in
>>>>>>> the States.
>>>>>>> Everyone knew for sure that Trump is a horrific felon, even
>>>>>>> those who categorically defend him.
>>>>>>> Nonetheless, with the power of his copious wealth, he was able
>>>>>>> to either threaten or bribe the special council. Perhaps he has
>>>>>>> done both, who knows? As Cohen has somewhat purported in his
>>>>>>> testimonial to Congress, Trump is besieged by bunch of guardians
>>>>>>> including attorneys etc. He warned people that Trump doesn't
>>>>>>> care about allegiance. He'd rather pay people to protect him and
>>>>>>> to even lie for him if it is necessary. Right now, Trump thinks
>>>>>>> he is wholly protected. No one is higher than him to oppugn his
>>>>>>> deeds. Even congress is bought, and it amply complies to mr
>>>>>>> Trump demands.
>>>>>>> Donald Trump resembles the mass nescience of average Americans
>>>>>>> on a rather broader scale. They elected him after all. Many of
>>>>>>> them are seemingly in favour of his typical impudence and
>>>>>>> inapplicably crude remarks.
>>>>>>> Trump's
>>>>>>> disgraceful rhetoric is not aliened to us. He perennially
>>>>>>> clashed and expressed disapprobation of reporters asking him
>>>>>>> questions. He's just so petulant about that. Donald Trump is
>>>>>>> impeachably caged for explicitly uttering racism. He rudely
>>>>>>> mocked accents of people on stage. He spoke terms that are
>>>>>>> leastwise, quite abhorrent in essence. He easily mortifies
>>>>>>> major rivals. Now, who admitted this incompetent individual to
>>>>>>> act swaggeringly in Oval Office? Well, they're just some bunch
>>>>>>> of racists.
>>>>>>> They're just bunch of outrageous white supremacists who're
>>>>>>> mostly Protestants. They're merely bigots and hate provokers.
>>>>>>> They speak about Islam derogatorily. As they incessantly truckle
>>>>>>> to satisfy the Zionist camp, they relentlessly attempt to
>>>>>>> marginalise, denigrate and demonise Islam out of malice. This is
>>>>>>> how Donald Trump is unremittingly salvaged, despite his
>>>>>>> denotative commission of major offences. He works by and for the
>>>>>>> Zionist lobby and that's quite obvious. Donald Trump has plainly
>>>>>>> breached the longly chanted American principles of democracy,
>>>>>>> ethnic equality and the allegedly promoted prevention of racial disparity.
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> discourteously assaulted immigrants and people of darker complexion.
>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>> the worst president to ever operate in oval office. Many people
>>>>>>> are so lenified with Trump's absonant disposal. They consider
>>>>>>> him somewhat their daddy. Well, he's basically a demagogue. If
>>>>>>> some of you aren't so familiar with this term, he is a political
>>>>>>> leader who seeks endorsement with appealing to popular passions
>>>>>>> and prejudices. This is exactly what Trump does. The nuance of
>>>>>>> longly proclaimed American fundamental principles has been
>>>>>>> utterly ruined in Trump's miserable era. However, there are
>>>>>>> Americans who're quite disappointed with Trump being
>>>>>>> unfortunately their president.
>>>>>>> I knew people who left the States shortly after election results
>>>>>>> have declared him winning the presidential race. Donald Trump
>>>>>>> doesn't necessarily represent many Americans. He neither doesn't
>>>>>>> represent the American dream. It is essentially based on
>>>>>>> genuinely practiced democratic tenets such as freedom of speech,
>>>>>>> freedom of embracement as well as defection of faith or notion.
>>>>>>> I knew people who felicitously live in the States with being
>>>>>>> Muslims. They never felt disparaged until Trump came.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> personally am not so invoked to Americanism. Be that as it may,
>>>>>>> I do not criticise people for their dissension with me. I solely
>>>>>>> repudiate acts that are destined to diminish, slander or
>>>>>>> manipulate my identity. I communicate beautifully with people
>>>>>>> who do not come near my faith and heritage. I tolerate
>>>>>>> difference of opinion and belief. I at the same time won't ever
>>>>>>> neglect my conscience to gratify those of special agenda.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> significantly crucial to recognise that I wholly represent my
>>>>>>> culture and identity and I am not prepared at any rate to alter
>>>>>>> that. Thank you for reading, cordially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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