Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump

Each of us could probably draw up our own "ten most horrible presidents" list.
And with only a few exceptions, the lists would be different. Because
the United States of America was a myth, a wonderful Fairy Tale of
Once Upon a Time. The new nation's constitution was an amazing
document, a model parroted by nations down through the years. But all
of its freedoms and all of its human rights were not given to All of
the People. This new document, as wonderful as it read, was meant
only for the White, Male, Landed Gentry. The Working Class, which was
most of the remaining population, had to fight constantly in order to
have access to any of those "Inalienable Rights" set down in the
Constitution. Since the men, all White up until Barack Obama took
office some 238 years later, were owned by that Oligarchy, including
Obama, the selection of presidential candidates was restricted to a
very specific group of right-minded men.
Despite the wide variety of surface differences, these men all passed
the approval of those they would serve. On my "Most Horrible" list I
place Andrew Jackson high. Jackson was a cold, heartless Racist of
the First Order. But Andrew Johnson had to be elbowing his way toward
the top spot, too. Grant was incompetent and so was Harding...as well
as being a womanizer and a crook. Wilson and Truman were "Chicken
Hawks" as well as Racists. Even the great FDR was a mixed bag,
playing footsie with the Dixicrats and his dealings with the Americans
of Japanese descent. Kennedy was a pretty boy womanizer, along with
Clinton. Nixon was a Traitor and a liar, and Reagan was pressed so
closely to the backside of the wealthy elite that his lips were a
permanent brown. The first Bush was a kinder gentler mass murderer
and his son was an idiot mass murderer(apologies to kind, sane, decent
idiots).
Bill Clinton, like Barack Obama, learned to play ball with the
Establishment. Their major difference was that Bill was/is a big time
womanizer, and Obama is...well...is a "compromiser".
This brings me to Donald Trump, and I'm already about 4 or 5 over my
allotted ten. But that's alright, because Donald Trump, despite the
massess of media coverage he receives, is a run of the mill
professional chiseler. He comes in all colors and fancy clothes. He
smirks at you as he sizes up your total worth. He will cheat, or give
generously...although he can give without giving. Donald Trump is the
poster boy for the New Successful American. Donald Trump is all the
things we are told that we value.
What do you think? Look like a picture of you?

Carl Jarvis

On 3/29/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> I'm not sure I care about historians, nor do I care about Marxist theory
> when it comes to judging presidents. and I think we need to judge what we
> have on the basis of the reality in which we find ourselves. In my lifetime,
> given their effects on the well being of the majority of people, Trump is
> the worst. W. Bush is next in line. But Reagan started us on this road to
> hell. Truman sinned against humanity by being responsible for dropping the
> atom bombs and starting the cold war. So maybe he's the worst.
>
> Miriam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
> (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 3:04 PM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com>
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Donald Trump
>
> I don't necessarily give a lot of credence to bourgeois presidential
> historians because my class perspective is entirely different than theirs,
> but, nevertheless, I understand that until now most presidential historians
> named Herbert Hoover as the worst president ever. I have seen some articles
> that now name Donald Trump as having supplanted that position.
>
> ---
>
> Carl Sagan
> " The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may
> be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be
> consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do
> not determine what's true. "
> ― Carl Sagan
>
>
> On 3/29/2019 12:59 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
>> Mostafa wrote: "He's the worst president to ever operate in the oval
>> office."
>> Sorry Mostafa, Donald Trump is only one of a large number of corrupt,
>> mentally unbalanced men to achieve the presidency.
>> The United States of America has a violent history, which I will not
>> go into here. But if you care to read a fairly objective and accurate
>> account of the growth of this nation, read Howard Zinn's "A People's
>> History of the United States". That Oval Office has seated some very
>> honorable and honest men. But it has also seen corrupt and greedy and
>> self serving men.
>> Personally, I believe that the honest American, who cares about his
>> people and about how we treat the people of the world, still outnumber
>> the cheats and those who worship the Golden Calf.
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>>
>> On 3/28/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>> Some states split their electoral votes. I think Nebraska is one. Or am
>>> I thinking of another midwest state?
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Carl Sagan
>>> " The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It
>>> may
>>> be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not
>>> be
>>> consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences
>>> do
>>> not determine what's true. "
>>> ― Carl Sagan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/28/2019 10:07 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
>>>> Mustafa,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to correct one of the things you said. The majority of
>>>> Americans
>>>> did not elect Donald Trump. If the president were elected as he or she
>>>> should be, by a majority of the votes cast, Hillary Clinton would have
>>>> won
>>>> the election. She received 3 million more votes than Mr. Trump. He
>>>> became
>>>> President in the same way that George W. Bush did. Their election was
>>>> due
>>>> to a mechanism called the electoral college. The electoral college was
>>>> developed in order to deny the vote to the ordinary people. Each state
>>>> is
>>>> allotted a certain number of electoral votes. If the majority of the
>>>> popular vote goes to the Republican party, for example, then all of the
>>>> electoral votes in that particular state go to the presidential
>>>> candidate.
>>>> So if 51% of people in Michigan voted for Trump, he'd get all of the
>>>> electoral votes, not 51% of them. He won because a few key states had a
>>>> majority of Republican votes.
>>>>
>>>> There are many complicated reasons that explain why the US government
>>>> is
>>>> functioning as it is at this point. But in addition to all of the
>>>> historical, sociological, and financial reasons, it is important to
>>>> recognize that Donald J. Trump is a mentally, emotionally disabled man,
>>>> who, along with having been dishonest and sheltered by his wealth from
>>>> the
>>>> consequences of his actions for all of his life, is not competent to
>>>> undertake the tasks of the presidency.
>>>>
>>>> Miriam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>>>> <blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org> On Behalf Of Mostafa Almahdy
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:21 PM
>>>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>>>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Donald Trump
>>>>
>>>> Well, although I am not American, I'd still like to join the discussion.
>>>> I
>>>> wonder, how would George Washington react if he encountered Donald
>>>> Trump
>>>> operating in the White House? I bet he would have gone mad. He would
>>>> say,
>>>> who has brought this hellion here? He won't imagine that the majority
>>>> of
>>>> Americans are the ones who did.
>>>> Trump isn't himself the prob, he's just a tool that governs the
>>>> corporal
>>>> establishment and its material plethora. It is a system that aids the
>>>> rich
>>>> to constantly become richer and the poor shall constantly become
>>>> poorer.
>>>> As I decisively stated, the practice of lobbyism is the major factor by
>>>> which law enforcement has been perfectly surmounted in the States.
>>>> Everyone knew for sure that Trump is a horrific felon, even those who
>>>> categorically defend him.
>>>> Nonetheless, with the power of his copious wealth, he was able to
>>>> either
>>>> threaten or bribe the special council. Perhaps he has done both, who
>>>> knows? As Cohen has somewhat purported in his testimonial to Congress,
>>>> Trump is besieged by bunch of guardians including attorneys etc. He
>>>> warned
>>>> people that Trump doesn't care about allegiance. He'd rather pay people
>>>> to
>>>> protect him and to even lie for him if it is necessary. Right now,
>>>> Trump
>>>> thinks he is wholly protected. No one is higher than him to oppugn his
>>>> deeds. Even congress is bought, and it amply complies to mr Trump
>>>> demands.
>>>> Donald Trump resembles the mass nescience of average Americans on a
>>>> rather
>>>> broader scale. They elected him after all. Many of them are seemingly
>>>> in
>>>> favour of his typical impudence and inapplicably crude remarks. Trump's
>>>> disgraceful rhetoric is not aliened to us. He perennially clashed and
>>>> expressed disapprobation of reporters asking him questions. He's just
>>>> so
>>>> petulant about that. Donald Trump is impeachably caged for explicitly
>>>> uttering racism. He rudely mocked accents of people on stage. He spoke
>>>> terms that are leastwise, quite abhorrent in essence. He easily
>>>> mortifies
>>>> major rivals. Now, who admitted this incompetent individual to act
>>>> swaggeringly in Oval Office? Well, they're just some bunch of racists.
>>>> They're just bunch of outrageous white supremacists who're mostly
>>>> Protestants. They're merely bigots and hate provokers. They speak about
>>>> Islam derogatorily. As they incessantly truckle to satisfy the Zionist
>>>> camp, they relentlessly attempt to marginalise, denigrate and demonise
>>>> Islam out of malice. This is how Donald Trump is unremittingly
>>>> salvaged,
>>>> despite his denotative commission of major offences. He works by and
>>>> for
>>>> the Zionist lobby and that's quite obvious. Donald Trump has plainly
>>>> breached the longly chanted American principles of democracy, ethnic
>>>> equality and the allegedly promoted prevention of racial disparity. He
>>>> discourteously assaulted immigrants and people of darker complexion.
>>>> He's
>>>> the worst president to ever operate in oval office. Many people are so
>>>> lenified with Trump's absonant disposal. They consider him somewhat
>>>> their
>>>> daddy. Well, he's basically a demagogue. If some of you aren't so
>>>> familiar
>>>> with this term, he is a political leader who seeks endorsement with
>>>> appealing to popular passions and prejudices. This is exactly what
>>>> Trump
>>>> does. The nuance of longly proclaimed American fundamental principles
>>>> has
>>>> been utterly ruined in Trump's miserable era. However, there are
>>>> Americans
>>>> who're quite disappointed with Trump being unfortunately their
>>>> president.
>>>> I knew people who left the States shortly after election results have
>>>> declared him winning the presidential race. Donald Trump doesn't
>>>> necessarily represent many Americans. He neither doesn't represent the
>>>> American dream. It is essentially based on genuinely practiced
>>>> democratic
>>>> tenets such as freedom of speech, freedom of embracement as well as
>>>> defection of faith or notion. I knew people who felicitously live in
>>>> the
>>>> States with being Muslims. They never felt disparaged until Trump came.
>>>> I
>>>> personally am not so invoked to Americanism. Be that as it may, I do
>>>> not
>>>> criticise people for their dissension with me. I solely repudiate acts
>>>> that are destined to diminish, slander or manipulate my identity. I
>>>> communicate beautifully with people who do not come near my faith and
>>>> heritage. I tolerate difference of opinion and belief. I at the same
>>>> time
>>>> won't ever neglect my conscience to gratify those of special agenda. It
>>>> is
>>>> significantly crucial to recognise that I wholly represent my culture
>>>> and
>>>> identity and I am not prepared at any rate to alter that. Thank you for
>>>> reading, cordially.
>>>>
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