Mostafa,
I respectfully submit that we Humans are too focused upon a wish to be
rescued. Christians call it being "Saved" by the blood of the Lamb.
I do not know what your religion calls it, but every religion depends
upon a Strong Powerful Being to guide the Believers. Our Salvation
will only come when we learn to depend upon our own inner being. No
one is going to save us. There is only one life, for certain. If
there is another existence that will come as a bonus,. But what we do
with this life of ours is what counts, because anything else is pure
speculation. We have dreamed of a better place, and we have built up
huge doctrines and holy books and created beliefs that are unprovable.
If any of that exists beyond this Time and Place, we will rejoice
then. But we must get past looking for a Savior, and join with All
Humans in protecting this very special Planet Earth.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/10/15, Mostafa <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the problem in the west is the lack of balance between religion and
> secular life. Both are needed, or at least, in my opinion.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings my friend,
>> I found your following comments very interesting. You said: "...with
>> this. I may suggest though that you may need to impartially assess
>> what you read here. I did once to prove to myself the genuineness of
>> the faith
>> I found myself born with. I totally dismissed the fact of being Muslim
>> and I gradually began to critically assess my belief system without
>> being emotionally
>> affected. I ultimately reached the conclusion that Islam is
>> fundamentally constituted on the basis of solidity and consistency..."
>> In so saying, Mostafa, you make a clear case that it is impossible to
>> devoid oneself from ones deeply ingrained beliefs, and clear the mind
>> so as to be totally neutral. I suggest that it is impossible for the
>> human mind to be rendered to a state of a clean slate.
>> When I was a "born again" Christian, I could express my Faith exactly
>> as you have expressed yours. But after years of practicing my Faith
>> in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I was confronted with
>> so much evidence disclaiming the very existence of the God that
>> Mankind worships in His many forms and within so many diverse
>> religions, that I also stepped back, even as you say you did, into a
>> neutral corner and examined closely my Faith. And from my neutral
>> place I came to the conclusion that the God we all worship, in all of
>> His forms, is Man Made, created by Men. Created for the benefit of
>> supporting Mans position as the superior creature on Earth. Man over
>> Woman. Even though it is Woman who gives life, taking the sperm
>> offered by Man, and transforming it into Life. Caring for that Life
>> within her body and bringing it into the world where She continues to
>> care and nurture that Life, shaping and molding and teaching it to
>> become a part of Life.
>> But remember, we're talking about our belief that we can take a
>> neutral stance within our minds, and be objective. I was raised by a
>> father who was a Marxist and an avowed Atheist. My mother was a
>> nominal Christian, when I was a child. Later she moved toward
>> Agnosticism. So, even though I might say that I cleared my mind and
>> looked objectively at my beliefs, you must admit that I was strongly
>> influenced by the world around me. My Father and Mother. Not to
>> mention the Christian influence that was predominant in the USA.
>> Torn between my Father's Atheism and my Christian environment, I
>> attempted to clear my mind and become objective. Turning away from my
>> Father's teachings, I embraced Christianity. But as I said, the
>> evidence began to pile up indicating that the God we worship is a
>> Man-Made God. I am willing to debate this Truth with you, but I can
>> already tell that neither you nor I are really able to be neutral in
>> our thinking. What we will do is to press home our own position,
>> declaring the other person's position to be False. Striving to
>> explain the Wrongness of it. Becoming even deeper entrenched in our
>> own Beliefs.
>> In conclusion Mostafa, I would suggest that neither of us knows Truth.
>> Neither of us have the real knowledge of this complex Universe, how it
>> came to be, where it is going, and what our role is. Our existence as
>> a Human Race is far too short to give us enough information. Perhaps,
>> if we survive our own foolishness, we will know more in a thousand
>> years. But even then, we are such an insignificant piece of the vast
>> reaches of whatever this all is, that we may never know.
>>
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/8/15, Mostafa <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear respected Pastors and casual recipients, peace be with you. Please,
>>> pay
>>> attention to the subsequent proposition. Today I would like to inshallah
>>> proceed on dissertating the concept of the son and the sonship. In basic
>>> terms, the sonship of Christ to God is the most perplexing doctrine for
>>> me
>>> in the Christian creed. For that I do not fathom how Christians believe
>>> it.
>>> At its inception, I would like to initiate my argumentative assertion on
>>> rational fundamentals. First, what does the term son of God actually
>>> mean?
>>> In order to illustrate on that regard, let us first examine the three
>>> types
>>> of sonship. 1. The sonship of lineage. The sonship of lineage is what we
>>> can
>>> define as offspring generated by procreation. I am uncertain of how to
>>> comprehend the Christian proclamation of Christ as the merely begotten
>>> son
>>> of God. The verb beget signifies the explicitly physical import of
>>> engender
>>> or making children. Of course, that does not belong to God. I never
>>> understood them when they say, "Begotten not made". What do you mean? I
>>> do
>>> not think that any sensible individual would agree with that claim. 2.
>>> The
>>> metaphorical sonship. Metaphor is the usage of terms to denote
>>> figurative
>>> meanings for rhetorical emphases. So I could be the son of Egypt or the
>>> son
>>> of the nile. It does not mean I am the son of the land or I am a minor
>>> flow
>>> born out of the river. It just emphasizes my patriotic disposal
>>> metaphorically. Someone can be defined by the parents of his best friend
>>> as
>>> their son metaphorically. We all could be attributed to God as His
>>> children
>>> in just a metaphorical manner. We are the children of God as being His
>>> creation and the ones possessed by His mightyness and gracefulness. We
>>> are
>>> the ones that He cares for and He provides sustenance to prolong our
>>> aliveness. So without any doubtfulness, the second type of sonship is
>>> enormously repudiated and it certainly cannot be divinely associated.
>>> What
>>> we now have left is the sonship of adoption. 3. The sonship of adoption.
>>> The
>>> sonship of adoption is the legal procedure to solemnly legitimatize the
>>> parental relationship between persons not related by ancestry. Of
>>> course,
>>> this type of sonship is forbidden in Islam. Could any of that be
>>> possibly
>>> attributed to God? I honestly do not think so. These are the only types
>>> of
>>> sonship. So which one of these would you Christians attribute to God? I
>>> could not find the perfect solace for Christians in their attempt to
>>> explain
>>> what does the compound term the only begotten son of God actually mean.
>>> I
>>> am attempting to apprehend its significance up and down the line. The
>>> Noble
>>> Koran has constantly encourages me to reflect and to implement my
>>> intellectual factors. The Koran remarkably reprobates all prejudicial
>>> assumptions and it certainly appreciates noetic discernment. The Koran
>>> asks
>>> the rhetorical question: How can God bear a son whilst He glory be to Him
>>> is
>>> eminently exalted above any temporal portrayals? But then the Christian
>>> missionary is going to shout, God can do anything. Well, God does not
>>> do
>>> ungodly things. He only does what is appositely befitting His glorious
>>> transcendence. But, God still can do anything, the Christian missionary
>>> insists. Well, can he die? Can God create something that he does not have
>>> a
>>> rule on? Can God betray? Can God lie? I primarily base my argument on
>>> substantially solid parameters. I do not want to hear typical missionary
>>> sentiments in response. I would rather want to hear respectful
>>> responses.
>>> Why the Creator, the Sustainer and the Providentially Maintainer of this
>>> prodominantly vast universe would bear a son? Isn't He Providentially
>>> Almighty and unambiguously Omnipotent? So, why would He glory be to Him
>>> need anything like this? Isn't He glory be to Him Providentially
>>> Omniscient
>>> and unevenly Omnipresent? This is a prodominantly demanding precedent so
>>> the
>>> missionary would thoroughly discern the genuine concept of monotheism.
>>> God
>>> Almighty is basically fully able to give us life and He is fully capable
>>> to
>>> make us pass away. He Providentially Cares, Sustains, Maintains and He
>>> utterly Provides without any secondary discretion. So if He glory be to
>>> Him
>>> is able to do everything independently, why then He can't forgive our
>>> sins
>>> without any discretion? I believe it is a quite valid question to ask.
>>> So
>>> why can't you just think? Think, think, think, please, just think. It is
>>> not
>>> what you know it is what you do with what you know, how much you use
>>> your
>>> head. As a sensible man despite my faith, I have every cause to
>>> basically
>>> disintegrate the tenets you believe to assess them. I am attempting to
>>> promote the diamonds of the doubtlessly unfeign monotheism. The concept
>>> is
>>> quite distorted in the Christian creed and therefore, I want to
>>> decisively
>>> clarify its implication to lay Christians, to Pastorate Members and to
>>> even
>>> average Muslims. It is indispensable in Islam to learn, to be edified so
>>> you
>>> would devote yourself to worship correctly. It is unforgivable in Islam
>>> to
>>> bear associates with Allah glory be to Him. Lay Christians and pastorale
>>> mortals may not comprehend this concept properly. Islam advocates for
>>> coalescing between faith and intellect. Intellect without faith is pride
>>> and
>>> faith without intellect is absurd. Both faith and intellect must go
>>> together
>>> side by side. Christian Theology is held accountable for temporally
>>> depicting the divine being into terrestrial caricature. It is something
>>> I
>>> as a Muslim consider absolutely blasphemous. I hope this concisely
>>> composed
>>> theological synopsis aided some of you at least to recognise the
>>> difference.
>>> This essay aims to develop elementary comprehension of What Islam
>>> teaches
>>> concerning doctrinal tenets of the monotheistic faith. You may possibly
>>> agree or disagree with this. I may suggest though that you may need to
>>> impartially assess what you read here. I did once to prove to myself the
>>> genuineness of the faith I found myself born with. I totally dismissed
>>> the
>>> fact of being Muslim and I gradually began to critically assess my
>>> belief
>>> system without being emotionally affected. I ultimately reached the
>>> conclusion that Islam is fundamentally constituted on the basis of
>>> solidity
>>> and consistency. Authoritatively, it stands on a stable platform which
>>> consists of spiritual concepts, juristic tenets and intellectual
>>> development. I exhibited simple logic so it can inshallah be fitting to
>>> impress lay and pastorally individuals simultaneously. Monotheism in
>>> Islam
>>> is quite simple and straightforward. Islamic monotheism is critical of
>>> even
>>> potential association. So in the orthodox Sunnite, it is strictly
>>> prohibited to pray nearby a tomb so it's to avoid designating minor
>>> association even potentially. Yes indeed, that's how Islam is quite
>>> careful
>>> and critical of any potentiality of bearing association. I hope that
>>> wasn't
>>> quite lengthy. I hope that wasn't offensive or unsolicited. Eventually,
>>> I
>>> sincerely repent to Allah glory be to Him from every single sin I
>>> commited
>>> either deliberately or incidentally. I pray to Allah to open the portal
>>> of
>>> guidance for everyone who receives this. As we blessedly witness the
>>> last
>>> ten days of Ramadan, we are graciously besieged by Allah's
>>> inexhaustibleMercy and Forgiveness. Thank you for reading. Thank you for
>>> your time, attention and courtesy. Peace and blessings be with you.
>>> Mostafa
>>> Almahdy, a formally certified Muslim Theologian from Al-Azhar University.
>>> I
>>> love Allah. I love Egypt. I love my fiance.
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
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