Greetings my friend,
I found your following comments very interesting. You said: "...with
this. I may suggest though that you may need to impartially assess
what you read here. I did once to prove to myself the genuineness of
the faith
I found myself born with. I totally dismissed the fact of being Muslim
and I gradually began to critically assess my belief system without
being emotionally
affected. I ultimately reached the conclusion that Islam is
fundamentally constituted on the basis of solidity and consistency..."
In so saying, Mostafa, you make a clear case that it is impossible to
devoid oneself from ones deeply ingrained beliefs, and clear the mind
so as to be totally neutral. I suggest that it is impossible for the
human mind to be rendered to a state of a clean slate.
When I was a "born again" Christian, I could express my Faith exactly
as you have expressed yours. But after years of practicing my Faith
in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I was confronted with
so much evidence disclaiming the very existence of the God that
Mankind worships in His many forms and within so many diverse
religions, that I also stepped back, even as you say you did, into a
neutral corner and examined closely my Faith. And from my neutral
place I came to the conclusion that the God we all worship, in all of
His forms, is Man Made, created by Men. Created for the benefit of
supporting Mans position as the superior creature on Earth. Man over
Woman. Even though it is Woman who gives life, taking the sperm
offered by Man, and transforming it into Life. Caring for that Life
within her body and bringing it into the world where She continues to
care and nurture that Life, shaping and molding and teaching it to
become a part of Life.
But remember, we're talking about our belief that we can take a
neutral stance within our minds, and be objective. I was raised by a
father who was a Marxist and an avowed Atheist. My mother was a
nominal Christian, when I was a child. Later she moved toward
Agnosticism. So, even though I might say that I cleared my mind and
looked objectively at my beliefs, you must admit that I was strongly
influenced by the world around me. My Father and Mother. Not to
mention the Christian influence that was predominant in the USA.
Torn between my Father's Atheism and my Christian environment, I
attempted to clear my mind and become objective. Turning away from my
Father's teachings, I embraced Christianity. But as I said, the
evidence began to pile up indicating that the God we worship is a
Man-Made God. I am willing to debate this Truth with you, but I can
already tell that neither you nor I are really able to be neutral in
our thinking. What we will do is to press home our own position,
declaring the other person's position to be False. Striving to
explain the Wrongness of it. Becoming even deeper entrenched in our
own Beliefs.
In conclusion Mostafa, I would suggest that neither of us knows Truth.
Neither of us have the real knowledge of this complex Universe, how it
came to be, where it is going, and what our role is. Our existence as
a Human Race is far too short to give us enough information. Perhaps,
if we survive our own foolishness, we will know more in a thousand
years. But even then, we are such an insignificant piece of the vast
reaches of whatever this all is, that we may never know.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/8/15, Mostafa <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear respected Pastors and casual recipients, peace be with you. Please, pay
> attention to the subsequent proposition. Today I would like to inshallah
> proceed on dissertating the concept of the son and the sonship. In basic
> terms, the sonship of Christ to God is the most perplexing doctrine for me
> in the Christian creed. For that I do not fathom how Christians believe it.
> At its inception, I would like to initiate my argumentative assertion on
> rational fundamentals. First, what does the term son of God actually mean?
> In order to illustrate on that regard, let us first examine the three types
> of sonship. 1. The sonship of lineage. The sonship of lineage is what we can
> define as offspring generated by procreation. I am uncertain of how to
> comprehend the Christian proclamation of Christ as the merely begotten son
> of God. The verb beget signifies the explicitly physical import of engender
> or making children. Of course, that does not belong to God. I never
> understood them when they say, "Begotten not made". What do you mean? I do
> not think that any sensible individual would agree with that claim. 2. The
> metaphorical sonship. Metaphor is the usage of terms to denote figurative
> meanings for rhetorical emphases. So I could be the son of Egypt or the son
> of the nile. It does not mean I am the son of the land or I am a minor flow
> born out of the river. It just emphasizes my patriotic disposal
> metaphorically. Someone can be defined by the parents of his best friend as
> their son metaphorically. We all could be attributed to God as His children
> in just a metaphorical manner. We are the children of God as being His
> creation and the ones possessed by His mightyness and gracefulness. We are
> the ones that He cares for and He provides sustenance to prolong our
> aliveness. So without any doubtfulness, the second type of sonship is
> enormously repudiated and it certainly cannot be divinely associated. What
> we now have left is the sonship of adoption. 3. The sonship of adoption. The
> sonship of adoption is the legal procedure to solemnly legitimatize the
> parental relationship between persons not related by ancestry. Of course,
> this type of sonship is forbidden in Islam. Could any of that be possibly
> attributed to God? I honestly do not think so. These are the only types of
> sonship. So which one of these would you Christians attribute to God? I
> could not find the perfect solace for Christians in their attempt to explain
> what does the compound term the only begotten son of God actually mean. I
> am attempting to apprehend its significance up and down the line. The Noble
> Koran has constantly encourages me to reflect and to implement my
> intellectual factors. The Koran remarkably reprobates all prejudicial
> assumptions and it certainly appreciates noetic discernment. The Koran asks
> the rhetorical question: How can God bear a son whilst He glory be to Him is
> eminently exalted above any temporal portrayals? But then the Christian
> missionary is going to shout, God can do anything. Well, God does not do
> ungodly things. He only does what is appositely befitting His glorious
> transcendence. But, God still can do anything, the Christian missionary
> insists. Well, can he die? Can God create something that he does not have a
> rule on? Can God betray? Can God lie? I primarily base my argument on
> substantially solid parameters. I do not want to hear typical missionary
> sentiments in response. I would rather want to hear respectful responses.
> Why the Creator, the Sustainer and the Providentially Maintainer of this
> prodominantly vast universe would bear a son? Isn't He Providentially
> Almighty and unambiguously Omnipotent? So, why would He glory be to Him
> need anything like this? Isn't He glory be to Him Providentially Omniscient
> and unevenly Omnipresent? This is a prodominantly demanding precedent so the
> missionary would thoroughly discern the genuine concept of monotheism. God
> Almighty is basically fully able to give us life and He is fully capable to
> make us pass away. He Providentially Cares, Sustains, Maintains and He
> utterly Provides without any secondary discretion. So if He glory be to Him
> is able to do everything independently, why then He can't forgive our sins
> without any discretion? I believe it is a quite valid question to ask. So
> why can't you just think? Think, think, think, please, just think. It is not
> what you know it is what you do with what you know, how much you use your
> head. As a sensible man despite my faith, I have every cause to basically
> disintegrate the tenets you believe to assess them. I am attempting to
> promote the diamonds of the doubtlessly unfeign monotheism. The concept is
> quite distorted in the Christian creed and therefore, I want to decisively
> clarify its implication to lay Christians, to Pastorate Members and to even
> average Muslims. It is indispensable in Islam to learn, to be edified so you
> would devote yourself to worship correctly. It is unforgivable in Islam to
> bear associates with Allah glory be to Him. Lay Christians and pastorale
> mortals may not comprehend this concept properly. Islam advocates for
> coalescing between faith and intellect. Intellect without faith is pride and
> faith without intellect is absurd. Both faith and intellect must go together
> side by side. Christian Theology is held accountable for temporally
> depicting the divine being into terrestrial caricature. It is something I
> as a Muslim consider absolutely blasphemous. I hope this concisely composed
> theological synopsis aided some of you at least to recognise the difference.
> This essay aims to develop elementary comprehension of What Islam teaches
> concerning doctrinal tenets of the monotheistic faith. You may possibly
> agree or disagree with this. I may suggest though that you may need to
> impartially assess what you read here. I did once to prove to myself the
> genuineness of the faith I found myself born with. I totally dismissed the
> fact of being Muslim and I gradually began to critically assess my belief
> system without being emotionally affected. I ultimately reached the
> conclusion that Islam is fundamentally constituted on the basis of solidity
> and consistency. Authoritatively, it stands on a stable platform which
> consists of spiritual concepts, juristic tenets and intellectual
> development. I exhibited simple logic so it can inshallah be fitting to
> impress lay and pastorally individuals simultaneously. Monotheism in Islam
> is quite simple and straightforward. Islamic monotheism is critical of even
> potential association. So in the orthodox Sunnite, it is strictly
> prohibited to pray nearby a tomb so it's to avoid designating minor
> association even potentially. Yes indeed, that's how Islam is quite careful
> and critical of any potentiality of bearing association. I hope that wasn't
> quite lengthy. I hope that wasn't offensive or unsolicited. Eventually, I
> sincerely repent to Allah glory be to Him from every single sin I commited
> either deliberately or incidentally. I pray to Allah to open the portal of
> guidance for everyone who receives this. As we blessedly witness the last
> ten days of Ramadan, we are graciously besieged by Allah's
> inexhaustibleMercy and Forgiveness. Thank you for reading. Thank you for
> your time, attention and courtesy. Peace and blessings be with you. Mostafa
> Almahdy, a formally certified Muslim Theologian from Al-Azhar University. I
> love Allah. I love Egypt. I love my fiance.
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