[blind-democracy] Re: Republican Assault on Trump May Only Make Him Stronger

As I heard the story, two young women, members of Black Lives Matter,
blocked Bernie Sanders as he was about to address a gathering at the
West Lake Mall in Seattle, prior to a second speaking engagement on
the U. of W. Campus. Anyway, they urged Bernie to take action, not
just talk. After 20 minutes Sanders was forced to head off to his
second appointment without having spoken.
The upside of this intrusion by the two young women was a plank
drafted that night by Bernie Sanders, and released Sunday, addressing
their concerns. I've not read it yet, but it speaks well of Sanders
intentions to reach out and hear the issues facing Black Americans,
and that he intends to do something about it.
My concern is not over the women using this tactic to get their
message out. They are given little notice by the Empire's Media. But
they should understand that Bernie Sanders is struggling with the same
Media Blackout that they are. Every time they cut him down, that is
one more time the Empire scores in their own effort to blackball
Sanders.
Of course I continue to believe a major part of our inability to
replace the Empire's Ruling Class, is due to our having been divided
in the first place. Young Blacks are suspicious of young White "Do
Gooders". In Seattle, I watched the jockeying between the Blacks and
the Indians. Two disenfranchised groups at the bottom of the social
ladder, turning on one another rather than joining forces. Latinos
were accused of taking jobs away from White workers, rather than
sitting down to plan how to increase jobs and wages and working
conditions. Asians kept to themselves. White collar Labor has always
looked down their noses at Blue Collar Labor. Yet both are working at
the pleasure of the Empire's Corporate Bosses.
Sure, I understand the two young women's need to get their message
out, but why Bernie Sanders? Why not grab the mike away from Donald
Trump? Now that would get some notice!
Anyway, as long as we allow ourselves to be divided we will be at the
mercy of the Empire.
I want to say one other thing, too. In order to preserve our own
dignity and make sense out of what we do and who we are, I believe
that we are too apt to look at how we measure up to the Empire's
status chart.
We've been suckered into adopting the posturing and strutting about,
proclaiming our importance based on unimportant values. Not that I
down play such things as obtaining as much education as possible, or
dedicating a life time to a Cause, or any of the ways we choose to
wrap ourselves in so we can feel better about ourselves. And too
often we lose sight of the real need to uphold one another and to hold
to our values in spite of tremendous pressure from above.
That is why I no longer talk about the normal classes, Lower, Working,
Middle, Upper, and God. I see only two Classes in this world. There
is the Ruling Class and there is all of us who serve the Ruling Class.
We, the Have Nots are seen by the Have's, as a natural resource,
placed on earth for their use. Sure, they sometimes talk to us, like
Donald Trump, but they privately hold us in abject contempt. Well,
maybe not in Trump's big mouthed case. They have control of the game
and make the rules to suit their needs and desires. They have created
a false world which is destroying our Mother Earth. And we go around
debating whether we belong to the Middle Class, or whether our
Master's degree trumps the on-job education of a journeyman carpenter.
Finally, I hope these Black Lives Matter folks understand that while
Bernie Sanders might still be tied to the Establishment, he can be
their friend and supporter. But no candidate who is not part of the
establishment will have even an outside chance of reaching the Brass
Ring.
As a blind man, an activist for much of my blind life, I know first
hand what happens to a Movement that is solely focused on it's own
needs. Rather than joining those other organizations working for
reforms, we blind folks went it alone, believing we could change
societies attitudes. Despite gains, the setbacks were so hard to take
that many of our members simply dropped away. Now, although we have a
large membership in Washington State, our leaders have turned this
once strong, outspoken organization into a big social club. A
Christian Social Club.
But it is one way of having meaning and purpose. And for many of our
members, that is all that holds them together.

Carl Jarvis


On 8/9/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> I haven't heard or seen that story yet. If it's true, if these were young,
> angry black activists, they're not choosing the right candidates to fight.
> They're choosing someone who is an easy target. Given their life
> experience,
> it's difficult for them to know just who the enemy is. After we moved to
> Westbury and I became active in the PTA, there was a meeting of the PTA of
> thepreK through second grade school at my house one night. After the
> meeting
> was over, two women remained. They were two residents of the ghetto area,
> adjacent to the area where I lived. They stayed quite late, drinking
> coffee,
> nibbling cake, and gossiping. They talked about a lot of the people who
> were
> active in the school community, both black and white, and as they let their
> guard down and expressed their true feelings, it became apparent, that they
> felt threatened on every side. People whom I assumed were trusted leaders
> in
> the black vcommunity, were suspect. They talked about plots and
> counterplots
> and suspected ulterior motives. Whatever the true facts may have been, the
> world in which they lived was terrifying and threatening because they felt
> that they couldn't depend on the good intentions or honesty of anyone.
> Given
> the world we live in today, that's probably still true for all of the
> African Americans who live in ghettoes today. If they can't count on a
> black
> President and a black attorney general to protect them, how can they trust
> an old Jewish guy from Vermont?
>
> Miriam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:59 PM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Republican Assault on Trump May Only Make
> Him
> Stronger
>
> Odds say you're right, Miriam. But since the only outside chance of my
> having some part of this government, I'll keep on plugging Bernie Sanders
> until he drops.
> By the way, did you hear that Bernie was blocked from speaking in Seattle
> at
> the West Lake Mall?
> He was able to get the mike later that evening on the U of W campus.
> I didn't get the entire story, and heaven only knows if the media's story
> bore any relationship to the truth, but apparently two activists took the
> mike away and held it for 20 minutes. If I'd been there wanting to listen
> to Sanders, and even though I'm sympathetic to the Black Rights causes, I'd
> have been put out. If this continues it can hurt Sanders. Hurting Sanders
> is not going to help Blacks. The best they can hope for will be Hillary
> Clinton. That is not a good replacement.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
>
> On 8/9/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On the contrary, I think that Taibbi is quite serious. What he is
>> saying is
> Ohaving some part of this government, I'll keep on plugging Bernie Sanders
> until he drops.
>> that when the more mainstream Republicans attack Trump, they are
>> verifying the beliefs of the lunatic fringe that the establishment is
>> monolithic, and that it needs a true rebel, someone who will voice
>> their ideas openly, to oppose it. The Tea Party, the Survivalists, the
>> White Supremacists, the Dominionists, he's their guy. What that means
>> is that it ensures that a right wing Democrat, Clinton, will win the
> election.
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
>> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:22 PM
>> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
>> Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Republican Assault on Trump May Only
>> Make Him Stronger
>>
>> I know that Matt Taibbi is writing tongue in cheek, but still...
>> This entire sham, this "Let's Pretend" debate was exactly what it was
>> intended to be. Entertainment. It was like the old TV show, The
>> Bachelors on steroids. A bunch of egotists strutting their stuff,
>> hoping the pretty bachelorette will select them. Well, maybe Trump
>> was the exception. But I've already written my thoughts on his
>> involvement. I will say in addition, Trump is not, absolutely not a
>> man who cares for the well being of the American People. His contempt
>> for all of us, not just women or Mexicans, hangs out on his face and
>> drips from his sneering lips.
>> But the major contribution of this so called debate was to keep
>> attention off any meaningful discussion of issues. The loyal fans in
>> the audience ate it up, clapping and guffawing and shouting their
>> approval over the blood letting.
>> It did make me laugh, too. But that's my Black Humor. All in all it
>> should scare us.
>>
>> Carl Jarvis
>>
>> On 8/8/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Taibbi writes: "Last night's debate was the funniest political
>>> program in our nation's history. Nothing really comes close."
>>>
>>> Donald Trump was the punching bag at Thursday's Fox News GOP debate.
>>> (photo:
>>> Chip Somodevilla/Getty)
>>>
>>>
>>> Republican Assault on Trump May Only Make Him Stronger By Matt
>>> Taibbi, Rolling Stone
>>> 08 August 15
>>>
>>> Party insiders ganged up on Trump in the first GOP debate, but the
>>> tactic may backfire
>>>
>>> Last night's debate was the funniest political program in our
>>> nation's history. Nothing really comes close.
>>> There have been moments, obviously. Bush ducking a shoe. Admiral
>>> Stockdale saying "Who am I? Why am I here?" Sarah Palin being
>>> interviewed while a man in the background beheaded turkeys was a
>>> classic.
>>> But for comic staying power and sheer WTF factor last night's debate
>>> went beyond 11. By my count there were over a dozen genuine
>>> laugh-out-loud moments. Mike Huckabee bringing pimps into a
>>> presidential debate for the first time ever was a landmark moment.
>>> Jeb Bush's attempt at a one-liner, "They call me Veto Corrleone,"
>>> made millions of adults cringe at the same time. Then there was Megyn
>>> Kelly's brain-busting toss to commercial near the
>>> end:
>>> KELLY: We have to stand you by, because after the break, we're going
>>> to let the candidates make their closing statements, their final
>>> thoughts,
>> and.
>>> God.
>>> Is it really possible we made it this far in the television era
>>> without reaching this point: We'll be right back - with God!
>>> God was really the only character missing from that debate last night.
>>> Almost everyone else was there, in the repartee if not in person:
>>> Rosie O'Donnell, LeBron James, Putin, St. Peter, St. Reagan, Siamese
>>> twins, pigs, dogs, slobs, a gay friend of John Kasich, etc. The list
>>> went on and on. It was a real parade of stars.
>>> Of course the main character was Donald Trump, who dominated the
>>> time-of-possession game and spoke nearly 500 words more than the next
>>> closest competitor. In thinking about what actually happened last
>>> night, i.e. what was meaningful as opposed to merely lurid and
>>> entertaining, you have to start with the performance of Trump, who
>>> might just have lured the Republican Party into a trap from which it
>>> will
>> not escape.
>>> There was clearly an effort last night by Republican party interests
>>> to knock Trump off his frontrunner pedestal. We saw ambush tactics
>>> from the start.
>>> Bret Baier started the whole thing off by asking the candidates to
>>> promise they wouldn't run on a third-party ticket. Trump declined,
>>> highlighting his non-Republican-ness. Megyn Kelly followed up by
>>> asking Trump to defend his record of calling women "fat pigs" and
>>> "disgusting animals" and then made his probable inability to score
>>> female votes in a race against Hillary part of her question.
>>> Later questions targeted Trump's heretical views on abortion and
>>> health care, and his history of donating money to the likes of
>>> Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.
>>> No other candidate got anything near this kind of treatment in the
>>> debate.
>>> A
>>> more typical question was Baier softballing Mike Huckabee, asking:
>>> "Is the government simply too big for any one person, even a
>>> Republican, to shrink?"
>>> Then there was the postgame show. Fox had pollster Frank Luntz come
>>> on and speak with a "focus group" that expressed concern about the
>>> damage Trump will do to the party. One respondent said Trump was
>>> "splitting the
>> party,"
>>> while another said, "If he runs third party, Republicans lose. Period."
>>> The uninspiring showing in the Luntz group contrasted with some other
>>> post-debate surveys, including one on the Drudge Report showing Trump
>>> as the clear winner of the debate.
>>> That Fox and the other "contestants" onstage were ganging up on Trump
>>> was clear enough, but it hasn't stopped there. Trump is now also
>>> seeing a wave of punditry pieces flowing in from traditional
>>> conservative outlets slamming his campaign. The National Review's
>>> Jonah Goldberg wrote a long piece this month, "Trump fans, it's time
>>> for an intervention."
>>> Stung by Trump's criticism of him as a guy who "couldn't buy a pair
>>> of pants," Goldberg blasted Trump as a grifter and a RINO who is
>>> easier to believe as a "stalking horse for his dear friend Hillary"
>>> than as a Republican nominee.
>>> Meanwhile, Rich Lowry at the Review called the debate a "fabulously
>>> awful"
>>> night for Trump. He slobbered over the rest of the field. He said
>>> Bush "made no mistakes, " Christie was "forceful," Carson was "winsome,"
>>> Kasich "more of a presence than I would have thought," and Huckabee
>>> was "incapable of having a bad debate."
>>> Meanwhile, Fox contributor Charles Krauthammer gleefully declared the
>>> debate to be the "end of Trump," saying that he looked "lost." He's
>>> been an ongoing critic of the Donald, along with other Republican
>>> stalwarts like George Will, who not long ago asked, "If Trump were a
>>> Democratic mole, how would his behavior be any different?"
>>> It's not a mystery why this is happening. Every indicator shows that
>>> if Trump gets the nomination, it will result in a monster wipeout at
>>> the hands of a Democrat like Hillary Clinton. Moreover the
>>> embarrassment of having to throw their weight behind a deranged
>>> narcissist might cripple the party for a generation.
>>> Trump, they surely know, will make Barry Goldwater look like Lloyd
>> Bentsen.
>>> The damage he could do with a full general election season behind the
>>> wheel of the Republican brand is almost too awesome to contemplate.
>>> What the Goldbergs and the Wills and Krauthammers of the world
>>> probably don't get is that by singling Trump out for abuse, they're
>>> almost certainly boosting his campaign. First of all, while it might
>>> have looked like a damning image to see Trump alone onstage with his
>>> hand up and refusing to pledge not to run as an Independent, on
>>> another level it was a great Trump moment. As it has been all season,
>>> there was Trump, and everyone else. That scene just made the other
>>> nine guys onstage look like what they are, stooges beholden to their
>>> party and their donors, unable to think for themselves.
>>> The main argument of all of Trump's conservative critics seems to be,
>>> "He's not a real Republican! He'll destroy the party establishment!"
>>> The people making these criticisms seem to assume that conservative
>>> voters will see this as a bad thing.
>>> But there are plenty of Tea Party-type voters out there who hate the
>>> Republican Party establishment almost as much as they hate the
>>> Democrats.
>>> There are also plenty of right-wing voters who think George Will and
>>> Charles Krauthammer are smug media weasels only slightly less
>>> disgusting than the Rachel Maddows and Keith Olbermanns of the world.
>>> A know-it-all is a know-it-all.
>>> Trump's followers are a gang of pissed-off nativists who are tired of
>>> being laughed at, belittled, dismissed, and told who to vote for. So
>>> it seems incredible that the Republican establishment thinks it's
>>> going to get rid of Trump by laughing at, belittling and dismissing
>>> him, and telling his voters who they should be picking.
>>> These hysterical critics are making one of the world's most
>>> irredeemable bullies look persecuted and like a victim, a difficult
>>> feat. The desperation to get rid of him may just feed more and more
>>> into the right wing base's crazy victim complex, and in turn get
>>> Trump even more support.
>>> The numbers aren't out yet, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the
>>> debate last night didn't have exactly the opposite impact that
>>> Krauthammer and Frank Luntz and the rest of those clowns thinks it
>>> had.
>>> Assuming this doesn't all end in Trump becoming president and the
>>> world shortly thereafter ending in nuclear apocalypse, this twist
>>> might end up being the funniest thing to come out of the debate and
>>> the campaign in general.
>>> The Republican party and its allies at Fox, on afternoon radio and in
>>> the blogosphere have spent many years now whipping audiences into
>>> zombie-style bloodlusts. When it suited them, party insiders told
>>> voters across middle America that foreigners were trying to crawl
>>> through their windows to take their wives, and that stuffed suits in
>>> Washington and in the media were conspiring to enslave their children
>>> in
>> Marxist bondage.
>>> Now all of that paranoia is backing up on them. They created this
>>> monster, and it's coming for them now. Trumpenstein lives. He is
>>> loose in the town and on his way to the doctor's castle. We may not
>>> be laughing two years from now, but for the time being, man, what a
>>> show.
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>>> valid.
>>>
>>> Donald Trump was the punching bag at Thursday's Fox News GOP debate.
>>> (photo:
>>> Chip Somodevilla/Getty)
>>> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republican-assault-on-trump
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>>> Republican Assault on Trump May Only Make Him Stronger By Matt
>>> Taibbi, Rolling Stone
>>> 08 August 15
>>> Party insiders ganged up on Trump in the first GOP debate, but the
>>> tactic may backfire ast night's debate was the funniest political
>>> program in our nation's history. Nothing really comes close.
>>> There have been moments, obviously. Bush ducking a shoe. Admiral
>>> Stockdale saying "Who am I? Why am I here?" Sarah Palin being
>>> interviewed while a man in the background beheaded turkeys was a
>>> classic.
>>> But for comic staying power and sheer WTF factor last night's debate
>>> went beyond 11. By my count there were over a dozen genuine
>>> laugh-out-loud moments. Mike Huckabee bringing pimps into a
>>> presidential debate for the first time ever was a landmark moment.
>>> Jeb Bush's attempt at a one-liner, "They call me Veto Corrleone,"
>>> made millions of adults cringe at the same time. Then there was Megyn
>>> Kelly's brain-busting toss to commercial near the
>>> end:
>>> KELLY: We have to stand you by, because after the break, we're going
>>> to let the candidates make their closing statements, their final
>>> thoughts,
>> and.
>>> God.
>>> Is it really possible we made it this far in the television era
>>> without reaching this point: We'll be right back - with God!
>>> God was really the only character missing from that debate last night.
>>> Almost everyone else was there, in the repartee if not in person:
>>> Rosie O'Donnell, LeBron James, Putin, St. Peter, St. Reagan, Siamese
>>> twins, pigs, dogs, slobs, a gay friend of John Kasich, etc. The list
>>> went on and on. It was a real parade of stars.
>>> Of course the main character was Donald Trump, who dominated the
>>> time-of-possession game and spoke nearly 500 words more than the next
>>> closest competitor. In thinking about what actually happened last
>>> night, i.e. what was meaningful as opposed to merely lurid and
>>> entertaining, you have to start with the performance of Trump, who
>>> might just have lured the Republican Party into a trap from which it
>>> will
>> not escape.
>>> There was clearly an effort last night by Republican party interests
>>> to knock Trump off his frontrunner pedestal. We saw ambush tactics
>>> from the start.
>>> Bret Baier started the whole thing off by asking the candidates to
>>> promise they wouldn't run on a third-party ticket. Trump declined,
>>> highlighting his non-Republican-ness. Megyn Kelly followed up by
>>> asking Trump to defend his record of calling women "fat pigs" and
>>> "disgusting animals" and then made his probable inability to score
>>> female votes in a race against Hillary part of her question.
>>> Later questions targeted Trump's heretical views on abortion and
>>> health care, and his history of donating money to the likes of
>>> Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.
>>> No other candidate got anything near this kind of treatment in the
>>> debate.
>>> A
>>> more typical question was Baier softballing Mike Huckabee, asking:
>>> "Is the government simply too big for any one person, even a
>>> Republican, to shrink?"
>>> Then there was the postgame show. Fox had pollster Frank Luntz come
>>> on and speak with a "focus group" that expressed concern about the
>>> damage Trump will do to the party. One respondent said Trump was
>>> "splitting the
>> party,"
>>> while another said, "If he runs third party, Republicans lose. Period."
>>> The uninspiring showing in the Luntz group contrasted with some other
>>> post-debate surveys, including one on the Drudge Report showing Trump
>>> as the clear winner of the debate.
>>> That Fox and the other "contestants" onstage were ganging up on Trump
>>> was clear enough, but it hasn't stopped there. Trump is now also
>>> seeing a wave of punditry pieces flowing in from traditional
>>> conservative outlets slamming his campaign. The National Review's
>>> Jonah Goldberg wrote a long piece this month, "Trump fans, it's time
>>> for an intervention."
>>> Stung by Trump's criticism of him as a guy who "couldn't buy a pair
>>> of pants," Goldberg blasted Trump as a grifter and a RINO who is
>>> easier to believe as a "stalking horse for his dear friend Hillary"
>>> than as a Republican nominee.
>>> Meanwhile, Rich Lowry at the Review called the debate a "fabulously
>>> awful"
>>> night for Trump. He slobbered over the rest of the field. He said
>>> Bush "made no mistakes, " Christie was "forceful," Carson was "winsome,"
>>> Kasich "more of a presence than I would have thought," and Huckabee
>>> was "incapable of having a bad debate."
>>> Meanwhile, Fox contributor Charles Krauthammer gleefully declared the
>>> debate to be the "end of Trump," saying that he looked "lost." He's
>>> been an ongoing critic of the Donald, along with other Republican
>>> stalwarts like George Will, who not long ago asked, "If Trump were a
>>> Democratic mole, how would his behavior be any different?"
>>> It's not a mystery why this is happening. Every indicator shows that
>>> if Trump gets the nomination, it will result in a monster wipeout at
>>> the hands of a Democrat like Hillary Clinton. Moreover the
>>> embarrassment of having to throw their weight behind a deranged
>>> narcissist might cripple the party for a generation.
>>> Trump, they surely know, will make Barry Goldwater look like Lloyd
>> Bentsen.
>>> The damage he could do with a full general election season behind the
>>> wheel of the Republican brand is almost too awesome to contemplate.
>>> What the Goldbergs and the Wills and Krauthammers of the world
>>> probably don't get is that by singling Trump out for abuse, they're
>>> almost certainly boosting his campaign. First of all, while it might
>>> have looked like a damning image to see Trump alone onstage with his
>>> hand up and refusing to pledge not to run as an Independent, on
>>> another level it was a great Trump moment. As it has been all season,
>>> there was Trump, and everyone else. That scene just made the other
>>> nine guys onstage look like what they are, stooges beholden to their
>>> party and their donors, unable to think for themselves.
>>> The main argument of all of Trump's conservative critics seems to be,
>>> "He's not a real Republican! He'll destroy the party establishment!"
>>> The people making these criticisms seem to assume that conservative
>>> voters will see this as a bad thing.
>>> But there are plenty of Tea Party-type voters out there who hate the
>>> Republican Party establishment almost as much as they hate the
>>> Democrats.
>>> There are also plenty of right-wing voters who think George Will and
>>> Charles Krauthammer are smug media weasels only slightly less
>>> disgusting than the Rachel Maddows and Keith Olbermanns of the world.
>>> A know-it-all is a know-it-all.
>>> Trump's followers are a gang of pissed-off nativists who are tired of
>>> being laughed at, belittled, dismissed, and told who to vote for. So
>>> it seems incredible that the Republican establishment thinks it's
>>> going to get rid of Trump by laughing at, belittling and dismissing
>>> him, and telling his voters who they should be picking.
>>> These hysterical critics are making one of the world's most
>>> irredeemable bullies look persecuted and like a victim, a difficult
>>> feat. The desperation to get rid of him may just feed more and more
>>> into the right wing base's crazy victim complex, and in turn get
>>> Trump even more support.
>>> The numbers aren't out yet, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the
>>> debate last night didn't have exactly the opposite impact that
>>> Krauthammer and Frank Luntz and the rest of those clowns thinks it
>>> had.
>>> Assuming this doesn't all end in Trump becoming president and the
>>> world shortly thereafter ending in nuclear apocalypse, this twist
>>> might end up being the funniest thing to come out of the debate and
>>> the campaign in general.
>>> The Republican party and its allies at Fox, on afternoon radio and in
>>> the blogosphere have spent many years now whipping audiences into
>>> zombie-style bloodlusts. When it suited them, party insiders told
>>> voters across middle America that foreigners were trying to crawl
>>> through their windows to take their wives, and that stuffed suits in
>>> Washington and in the media were conspiring to enslave their children
>>> in
>> Marxist bondage.
>>> Now all of that paranoia is backing up on them. They created this
>>> monster, and it's coming for them now. Trumpenstein lives. He is
>>> loose in the town and on his way to the doctor's castle. We may not
>>> be laughing two years from now, but for the time being, man, what a
>>> show.
>>> http://e-max.it/posizionamento-siti-web/socialize
>>> http://e-max.it/posizionamento-siti-web/socialize
>>>
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