Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Hillary Clinton: 'I Will Talk Only to White People ...'

We Humans are silly Geese. You would think blind people would relate
to that, "All You People", remark as an insult.
And you would think that none of us blind people would be so blind as
to refer to other minority groups as, "All You People".
But I can positively say to, "All You Sociologist", you like to
complicate the subject with charts, grafts, theories, and piles of
papers, pointing out why we lump people into groups that we can then
say, "All You People".
But the fact of the matter is that it is because we have become lazy.
Maybe even brain dead.
At least dull and lazy, because it just does not take a great deal of
brain energy to realize that all of us fall into any number of groups
where we become, "All You People".
Forget the idea that this lumping is for convenience sake. It is a
put down, pure and simple. It dismisses our individuality. We are
just another cow in the herd, another sheep in the flock.
Trump lumps "All Illegals" and can then send them all home. Just a
faceless herd of cattle. Easy to ship out all you 11 million
faceless, nameless nuisances. Easy to sit in a safe room in Colorado
and push a button that takes out nameless, faceless Terrorists. Not
someone's brother, or son, or grandmother, or daughter. Not a person.
"All You People", is one step closer to being able to do with us as
the Masters see fit.
Do not ever allow yourself to be labelled as, "All You People". And
never, ever make the mistake of thinking of others in that light. We
are each of us special individuals. We deserve respect. We are
charged with paying respect to others.
Carl Jarvis



On 8/26/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
> When the movie theater owner threw me and my guide dog out of the movie
> theater in Westbury back in the early 80's, he said, "I know all about you
> people".
>
> Miriam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:37 AM
> To: blind-democracy@freelists.org
> Subject: [blind-democracy] Hillary Clinton: 'I Will Talk Only to White
> People ...'
>
> "Hillary argues: all we've ever done is try to help you people"
> Whenever I hear the words, "You People", whether they are tied to Blacks,
> GLTB's, women, or goat herders, I can safely say that the speaker of such
> words knows absolutely nothing of value on the subject. As a Blind Man, I
> have had those very words laid on me and my friends, over and over again
> with nothing of value ever coming out of them. "All of the politicians who
> resort to such words are of absolutely no help. And that's the good news.
> Usually the speaking of these patronizing words constitute the beginning of
> trouble. When we were working for the passage of our Commission for the
> Blind in Washington State, a long-time state senator grabbed my hand with
> his pudgy, wet hand and said, "You People deserve everything you're asking
> for". And then he went into the senate and voted against our bill.
> "You People", is a way of dismissing those we do not want to deal with. I
> have come to the place where I reply, "There is only one People talking to
> you. I am not, you people. I will call you by your name, and request that
> you call me by mine. I would never be so rude, so thoughtless as to refer
> to you as, you people. Please show me the same respect."
>
> Do not be afraid to demand respect. It may be the only way you'll get it.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
>
> On 8/25/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Boardman writes: "After listening awhile, Hillary Clinton pettishly
>> told a quintet of respectful Black Lives Matter activists that, 'Yeah,
>> well, respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to
>> white people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem.'
>> More than being nonsensical, she was actually trying to avoid the
>> reality that white violence against black people is an offense that
>> only white people can stop."
>>
>> Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. (photo:
>> Charlie
>> Neibergall/AP)
>>
>>
>> Hillary Clinton: 'I Will Talk Only to White People ...'
>> By William Boardman, Reader Supported News
>> 25 August 15
>>
>> Black Lives Matter activists push edges that need pushing
>>
>> After listening awhile, Hillary Clinton pettishly told a quintet of
>> respectful Black Lives Matter activists that, "Yeah, well,
>> respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white
>> people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem." More
>> than being nonsensical, she was actually trying to avoid the reality
>> that white violence against black people is an offense that only white
>> people can stop. And she was also avoiding her own, very real role in
>> promoting federal policies that have made black lives matter less and
>> less over the past two decades.
>> Hillary Clinton's meeting with Daunasia Yancey, Julius Jones, and
>> others of Black Lives Matter began well enough on August 11 in Keene,
>> New Hampshire, after an early glitch. The Secret Service kept the
>> activists out of the room where Clinton was speaking because the room
>> was full (they heard her speak with others in an overflow room). But
>> then the Clinton campaign arranged the after-event meeting at which
>> cordiality and calm were the rule.
>> This was in sharp contrast to the Social Security rally in Seattle on
>> August 9, where Bernie Sanders was interrupted by other Black Lives
>> Matter activists. There, two women took over the podium as the
>> candidate began to speak. They waved their arms and shouted, silencing
>> Sanders. Bernie held out his hand to shake one of theirs. Then came
>> the tip-off: no one took his hand. As Sanders gave way, these Black
>> Lives Matter women took over the event and shut it down. On their
>> website they had posted a comment echoing Malcolm X in 1964, who had
>> echoed Jean-Paul Sartre:
>> There is no business as usual while Black lives are lost.
>> We will ensure this by any means necessary.
>> After the event, Sanders issued a statement expressing his
>> disappointment "that two people disrupted a rally attended by
>> thousands" in support of Social Security. He added that "on criminal
>> justice reform and the need to fight racism, there is no other candidate
> who will fight harder than me."
>> The next day, Sanders published his detailed racial justice platform.
>> The question for Hillary Clinton: Have you changed?
>> The echo of revolutionary rhetoric was absent from the 16-minute
>> exchange with Hillary Clinton in Keene (the full videotape was released
> August 19).
>> Both Yancey and Jones spoke quietly and coherently, but they were
>> substantively much more militant than the sloganeers of Seattle. After
>> a friendly-looking handshake and some shoulder-touching from the
>> candidate, Daunasia Yancey of Black Lives Matter in Boston read from
>> her iPhone as she asked about the difference, if any, between the
>> Hillary Clinton of twenty years ago and the Hillary now:
>> … you and your family have been personally and politically responsible
>> for policies that have caused health and human services disasters in
>> impoverished communities of color through the domestic and
>> international war on drugs that you championed as First Lady, Senator
>> and Secretary of State.
>> And so I just want to know how you feel about your role in that
>> violence and how you plan to reverse it?
>> For the next fifteen minutes, Clinton ignored the question and refused
>> to offer any plan to ameliorate the suffering caused by US drug
>> policy, or any other policy. Her body language was stiff, leaning back,
> "listening hard"
>> but appearing unreceptive. Everything she had to say was contained in
>> her empty and opaque first sentence in irrelevant response:
>> Well, you know, I feel strongly, which is why I had this town hall today.
>> Clinton never came close to addressing her own actions. She
>> filibustered, in effect, for a minute or so about "concern" and
>> "re-thinking" and "different circumstances" and "looking at the world
>> as it is today," without actually saying anything specific or
>> meaningful. She was talking down to her listener, almost lecturing,
>> without content. Hillary Clinton seemed to be suggesting that the
>> policy she and her husband supported in the 1990s was good then, but
>> maybe, just maybe, it needed to be re-thought in some ways now.
>> Yancey replied politely, with Clinton interrupting: "Yeah, and I would
>> offer that it didn't work then, either, and that those policies were
>> actually extensions of white supremacist violence against communities
>> of color. And so, I just think I want to hear a little bit about that,
>> about the fact that actually while … those policies were being
>> enacted, they were ripping apart families … and actually causing
>> death.
>> "Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with you," Clinton replied. She's not sure?
>> She's had twenty years to think about race in America and she's not
>> sure whether she helped or hurt? She running for president and she's
>> not sure what she thinks is real? Next she said, "I'm not sure I
>> disagree that any kind of government action often has consequences,"
>> which means nothing and is unresponsive. That was Clinton's choice, to
>> be unresponsive, rather than admit she'd been wrong twenty years ago,
>> when "there was a very serious crime wave that was impacting primarily
>> communities of color and poor people."
>> Hillary argues: all we've ever done is try to help you people From
>> there, Clinton slid into a meandering but empty defense of Clinton
>> administration actions as a response to real community concerns. Doing
>> so, she evaded the reality that the Clinton response was a top-down
>> answer, that community involvement in solving its own problems was
>> something to be tolerated as little as possible. She continued in the
>> same vein in addressing the present, mentioning "systemic issues of
>> race and justice that go deeper than any particular law" without
>> particularity. Clinton seemed at a loss for anything to say until she
>> seemed to stumble on the old pat-on-the-head, patronizing flattery for
>> the critic who objects to cops killing black people:
>> What you're doing, as activists and as people who are constantly
>> raising these issues, is really important. So I applaud and thank you
>> for that, I really do, because we can't get change unless there's
>> constant
> pressure.
>> But
>> now the next step, so, you know – part of you need to keep the
>> pressure on and part of you need to help figure out what do we do now,
>> how are we gonna do it? [emphasis in original] Slick moves. Praise the
>> victims for objecting to their victimhood.
>> Compliment them on their efforts to end victimization. Tell them it's
>> up to them to bring authority to heel, and to heal. And put the
>> responsibility on the victims to figure out what the victimizers
>> should do differently. And be extra careful not to come close to even
>> implying that the president or the cops or anyone in between has any
>> personal or institutional responsibility for victimizing people in the
>> first place. Good job, Hillary Clinton.
>> Six minutes into the empty rhetoric, Clinton has answered no questions
>> and offered no solutions, but bloviated "sympathetically" to get to this:
>> We need a whole comprehensive plan that I am more than happy to work
>> with you guys on, to try to figure out, OK, we know black lives
>> matter, we need to keep saying it so that people accept it, what do we do
> next?
>> Julius Jones tried to get Hillary Clinton to address specifics As
>> Clinton began to ramble on along this track, Julius Jones, founder of
>> Black Lives Matter in Worcester, Massachusetts, gently, almost
>> tentatively intervened to say how honored he was to have Hillary
>> Clinton talking to him, and such, but mass incarceration hasn't
>> worked, like so much else:
>> The truth is that there's an extremely long history of unfortunate
>> government practices that don't work, that particularly affect black
>> people and black families. And until we, as a country, and then the
>> person who's in the seat that you seek, actually addresses the
>> anti-blackness current that is America's first drug – we're in a
>> meeting about drugs, right?
>> America's first drug is free black labor and turning black bodies into
>> profit, and the mass incarceration system mirrors an awful lot like
>> the prison plantation system. It's a similar thread, right? And until
>> someone takes that message and speaks that truth to white people in
>> this country, so that we can actually take on anti-blackness as a
>> founding problem in this country, I don't believe that there is going
>> to be a solution....
>> Jones pointed out that there's a lot of money in prisons, that the US
>> spends more money on prisons than it spends on schools. Throughout,
>> Clinton was keeping a sober face and going "Mmmm" as if agreeing to
>> his points. She seemed to agree when he said that African-American
>> people were suffering more than others. And Jones expressed the fear
>> that the plantation evolving into the prison system would evolve into
>> new horrors unless something changed. So he returned to Yancey's
>> original question in a different form:
>> You know, I genuinely want to know – you and your family have been, in
>> no uncertain way, partially responsible for this, more than most,
>> right? Now, there may have been unintended consequences. But now that
>> you understand the consequences, what in your heart has changed that's
>> going to change the direction in this country? Like, what in you –
>> like, not your platform, not what you're supposed to say – like,how do
>> you actually feel that's different than you did before? Like, what
>> were the mistakes? And how can those mistakes that you made be lessons
>> for all of America for a moment of reflection on how we treat black
>> people in this country? [emphasis added] How does Hillary Clinton
>> "actually feel that's different" from before?
>> This is a potentially devastating moment for candidate Clinton.
>> Without missing a beat, a staff member interrupts, breaks the flow,
>> and says something about keeping on schedule. Jones objected to the
>> interruption and the staffer even said, "I'm not interrupting," but
>> he'd given the candidate another 20 seconds to frame her answer:
>> "Well, obviously it's a very thoughtful question that deserves a
> thoughtful answer."
>> Then Clinton vamped on her "commitment" to make things better, going
>> into a long riff on how she had spent much of her life trying to make
>> things better for kids, all kinds of kids. She agreed that "there has
>> to be a reckoning,"
>> but also a "positive vision." Once you face the truth of racial
>> history, she said, then most people will say: so what am I supposed to
>> do about it?
>> That's what I'm trying to put together in a way that I can explain it
>> and I can sell it ¬– because in politics, you can't explain it and you
>> can't sell it, it stays on the shelf.
>> Clinton then referred to other movements – civil rights, women's
>> rights, gay rights – and started a mini-lecture on how these movements
>> had plans in place so that, once they had raised consciousness, they
>> could get laws passed. Her spiel was self-servingly ahistorical,
>> comparing the year-old Black Lives Matter to other movements that took
>> decades to evolve. Her point was that Black Lives Matter needed a
>> plan, which is undeniable. The point she didn't make clear was that
>> she had nothing to contribute. She covered that absence by saying:
>> Your analysis is totally fair. It's historically fair. It's
>> psychologically fair. It's economically fair. But you're going to have
>> to come together as a movement and say, "Here's what we want done
>> about it," because you can get lip service from as many white people
>> as you can pack into Yankee Stadium and a million more like it, who
>> are going to say, "Oh, we get it. We get it.
>> We're going to be nicer." OK? That's not enough, at least in my book.
>> That's
>> not how I see politics.
>> So, the consciousness raising, the advocacy, the passion, the youth of
>> your movement is so critical. But now all I'm suggesting is, even for
>> us sinners, find some common ground on agendas that can make a
>> difference right here and now in people's lives. And that's what I
>> would love to, you know, have your thoughts about, because that's what
>> I'm trying to figure out how to do…."
>> [emphasis added]
>> If the "analysis is totally fair," why is Clinton's response so pallid?
>> Clinton spent another minute or so making the same point in another
>> way, once again absolving herself of commitment to any particular
>> goal, or strategy, and once more laying it on the victims to deal with
>> their victimization by the white culture she represents and helped
>> shape in its present form. They had been talking about 14 minutes by
>> then and Hillary Clinton had answered no questions and had offered
>> nothing. A staffer interrupted, saying it was time to go.
>> But Julius Jones quietly refused to accept the patronizing pat on the
>> head with the implied promise of a bone to be tossed at some
>> indefinite time in the future. With quiet patience he opened up the
>> only meaningful dialogue of the encounter, as reported on Democracy
>> NOW!:
>> JULIUS JONES: Respectfully, the piece that's most important – and I
>> stand here in your space, and I say this as respectfully as I can –
>> but if you don't tell black people what we need to do, then we won't
>> tell you all what you need to do. Right?
>> HILLARY CLINTON: I'm not telling you; I'm just telling you to tell me.
>> JULIUS JONES: What I mean to say is that this is, and has always been,
>> a white problem of violence. It's not– there's not much that we can do
>> to stop the violence against us. [emphasis added throughout] That is
>> the moment of truth. Blacks are almost powerless to stop white people
>> from killing them. Blacks have always been almost powerless to stop
>> white people from killing them. White people need to decide that
>> killing black people is wrong and will no longer be allowed by the
>> white power structure. Clinton must know this, it's so obvious. She
>> said, "I understand what you're saying," but she gave no evidence that
>> she understands. And when Jones tried to pursue his argument, she cut
>> him off, her voice rising peevishly, sarcastically echoing
>> "respectfully" with no respect:
>> JULIUS JONES: And then, we are also, respectfully, respectfully—
>> HILLARY CLINTON: Yeah, well, respectfully, if that is your position,
>> then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal
>> with a very real problem.
>> JULIUS JONES: That's not what I mean. That's not what I mean. That's
>> not what I mean.
>> HILLARY CLINTON: Well—
>> JULIUS JONES: But like, what I'm saying is you –what you just said was
>> a form of victim blaming.Right? You were saying that what the Black
>> Lives Matter movement … needs to do to change white hearts is to come
>> up with a policy change.
>> HILLARY CLINTON: No, I'm not talking about—look, I don't believe you
>> change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of
>> resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change
> every heart….
>> In the end, Clinton promised nothing – so you know what to expect
>> Clinton creates a straw man argument – Jones didn't say "change every
>> heart." Then she uses that falsehood to say again what she's been
>> saying all along, to say what Jones said she said. Once again Clinton
>> puts the responsibility for creating change on the people with the
>> least power to create change. This is nothing but bad faith. (Even
>> Bill Clinton has apologized, at the N.A.A.C.P. convention, for
>> increasing the mass incarceration of black young men: "I signed a bill
>> that made the problem
>> worse.")
>> Ironically, Hillary Clinton's nasty suggestion that "I will talk only
>> to white people" actually implies a more relevant tactic. She has no
>> intention of doing anything like that, it seems. But it would be a
>> start for Hillary Clinton to talk to her 1990s self and say, out loud,
>> that mass incarceration for profit was a morally and economically
>> corrupt idea and today I reject it. Then today's Hillary Clinton might
>> have more credibility when she expressed sympathy for people oppressed
>> in part by her own past policies.
>> (A
>> sometimes hilarious pro-Hillary version of this event by Maggie
>> Haberman appeared on page one of the August 20 New York Times.) What
>> happened in Keene was that she concluded with her voice reaching an
>> almost angry intensity, with her finger pointing at the black man's
>> chest, and with her message reiterated that, if America fails to
>> change, it's the victims' fault.
>> So maybe she really is talking only to white people. Hillary Clinton
>> has been in public life for decades. How can she possibly be so
>> unaware of racial reality as she presents herself. How can she
>> possibly know at least some of the things that need to be done to
>> improve Black lives and all lives? Her message – or really, her lack
>> of message – is certainly what a whole lot of white people want to hear.
>> In that respect, she's little different from Scott Walker, who
>> responded to a reporter asking him if he would meet with Black Lives
>> Matter by calling the question "ridiculous." Walker added: "I'm here
>> to talk to voters in New Hampshire about things that matter."
>> Does Black Lives Matter matter enough to enough people?
>> For Scott Walker, suggesting that Black Lives Matter is something that
>> doesn't matter is designed to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or one
>> could say that Walker continues the grand old tradition of
>> marginalizing the marginalized. And no wonder, since Black Lives
>> Matter is a conscious, conscientious threat to Walker and all his ilk.
>> Black Lives Matter describes itself as:
>> … an ideological and political intervention; we are not controlled by
>> the same political machine we are attempting to hold accountable. In
>> the year leading up to the elections, we are committed to holding all
>> candidates for Office accountable to the needs and dreams of Black
>> people. We embrace a diversity of tactics. We are a decentralized
>> network aiming to build the leadership and power of black people….
>> Historically, all political parties have participated in the
>> systematic disenfranchisement of Black people. Anti-black racism,
>> especially that sanctioned by the state, has resulted in the loss of
>> healthy and thriving Black life and well-being. Given that, we will
>> continue to hold politicians and political parties accountable for
>> their policies and platforms. We will also continue to demand the
> intentional dismantling of structural racism.
>> So far, Hillary Clinton only pretends to be interested in thinking
>> about that. She has better rhetoric and a more flexible and subtle
>> approach to racial issues than Walker and his fellow Republicans. She
>> seems to offer more sympathy to victims of the American system, but
>> it's hard to see how she's offering a presidency that would deliver
>> very much better results than any of theirs.
>> The official position of the Sanders campaign on racial justice (9
>> pages) is unequivocal in principle:
>> We must pursue policies that transform this country into a nation that
>> affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing
>> the four central types of violence waged against black and brown
> Americans:
>> physical, political, legal and economic….
>> It is an outrage that in these early years of the 21st century we are
>> seeing intolerable acts of violence being perpetuated by police, and
>> racist terrorism by white supremacists.
>> Hillary Clinton, face-to-face with Black Lives Matter people speaking
>> truth to would-be power, offered nothing better than equivocation and
>> victim blaming.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> William M. Boardman has over 40 years experience in theatre, radio,
>> TV, print journalism, and non-fiction, including 20 years in the
>> Vermont judiciary. He has received honors from Writers Guild of
>> America, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Vermont Life magazine,
>> and an Emmy Award nomination from the Academy of Television Arts and
>> Sciences.
>> Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work.
>> Permission
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>> Supported News.
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>> Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. (photo:
>> Charlie
>> Neibergall/AP)
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>> Hillary Clinton: 'I Will Talk Only to White People ...'
>> By William Boardman, Reader Supported News
>> 25 August 15
>> Black Lives Matter activists push edges that need pushing fter
>> listening awhile, Hillary Clinton pettishly told a quintet of
>> respectful Black Lives Matter activists that, "Yeah, well,
>> respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white
>> people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem." More
>> than being nonsensical, she was actually trying to avoid the reality
>> that white violence against black people is an offense that only white
>> people can stop. And she was also avoiding her own, very real role in
>> promoting federal policies that have made black lives matter less and
>> less over the past two decades.
>> Hillary Clinton's meeting with Daunasia Yancey, Julius Jones, and
>> others of Black Lives Matter began well enough on August 11 in Keene,
>> New Hampshire, after an early glitch. The Secret Service kept the
>> activists out of the room where Clinton was speaking because the room
>> was full (they heard her speak with others in an overflow room). But
>> then the Clinton campaign arranged the after-event meeting at which
>> cordiality and calm were the rule.
>> This was in sharp contrast to the Social Security rally in Seattle on
>> August 9, where Bernie Sanders was interrupted by other Black Lives
>> Matter activists. There, two women took over the podium as the
>> candidate began to speak. They waved their arms and shouted, silencing
>> Sanders. Bernie held out his hand to shake one of theirs. Then came
>> the tip-off: no one took his hand. As Sanders gave way, these Black
>> Lives Matter women took over the event and shut it down. On their
>> website they had posted a comment echoing Malcolm X in 1964, who had
>> echoed Jean-Paul Sartre:
>> There is no business as usual while Black lives are lost.
>> We will ensure this by any means necessary.
>> After the event, Sanders issued a statement expressing his
>> disappointment "that two people disrupted a rally attended by
>> thousands" in support of Social Security. He added that "on criminal
>> justice reform and the need to fight racism, there is no other candidate
> who will fight harder than me."
>> The next day, Sanders published his detailed racial justice platform.
>> The question for Hillary Clinton: Have you changed?
>> The echo of revolutionary rhetoric was absent from the 16-minute
>> exchange with Hillary Clinton in Keene (the full videotape was released
> August 19).
>> Both Yancey and Jones spoke quietly and coherently, but they were
>> substantively much more militant than the sloganeers of Seattle. After
>> a friendly-looking handshake and some shoulder-touching from the
>> candidate, Daunasia Yancey of Black Lives Matter in Boston read from
>> her iPhone as she asked about the difference, if any, between the
>> Hillary Clinton of twenty years ago and the Hillary now:
>> … you and your family have been personally and politically responsible
>> for policies that have caused health and human services disasters in
>> impoverished communities of color through the domestic and
>> international war on drugs that you championed as First Lady, Senator
>> and Secretary of State.
>> And so I just want to know how you feel about your role in that
>> violence and how you plan to reverse it?
>> For the next fifteen minutes, Clinton ignored the question and refused
>> to offer any plan to ameliorate the suffering caused by US drug
>> policy, or any other policy. Her body language was stiff, leaning back,
> "listening hard"
>> but appearing unreceptive. Everything she had to say was contained in
>> her empty and opaque first sentence in irrelevant response:
>> Well, you know, I feel strongly, which is why I had this town hall today.
>> Clinton never came close to addressing her own actions. She
>> filibustered, in effect, for a minute or so about "concern" and
>> "re-thinking" and "different circumstances" and "looking at the world
>> as it is today," without actually saying anything specific or
>> meaningful. She was talking down to her listener, almost lecturing,
>> without content. Hillary Clinton seemed to be suggesting that the
>> policy she and her husband supported in the 1990s was good then, but
>> maybe, just maybe, it needed to be re-thought in some ways now.
>> Yancey replied politely, with Clinton interrupting: "Yeah, and I would
>> offer that it didn't work then, either, and that those policies were
>> actually extensions of white supremacist violence against communities
>> of color. And so, I just think I want to hear a little bit about that,
>> about the fact that actually while … those policies were being
>> enacted, they were ripping apart families … and actually causing
>> death.
>> "Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with you," Clinton replied. She's not sure?
>> She's had twenty years to think about race in America and she's not
>> sure whether she helped or hurt? She running for president and she's
>> not sure what she thinks is real? Next she said, "I'm not sure I
>> disagree that any kind of government action often has consequences,"
>> which means nothing and is unresponsive. That was Clinton's choice, to
>> be unresponsive, rather than admit she'd been wrong twenty years ago,
>> when "there was a very serious crime wave that was impacting primarily
>> communities of color and poor people."
>> Hillary argues: all we've ever done is try to help you people From
>> there, Clinton slid into a meandering but empty defense of Clinton
>> administration actions as a response to real community concerns. Doing
>> so, she evaded the reality that the Clinton response was a top-down
>> answer, that community involvement in solving its own problems was
>> something to be tolerated as little as possible. She continued in the
>> same vein in addressing the present, mentioning "systemic issues of
>> race and justice that go deeper than any particular law" without
>> particularity. Clinton seemed at a loss for anything to say until she
>> seemed to stumble on the old pat-on-the-head, patronizing flattery for
>> the critic who objects to cops killing black people:
>> What you're doing, as activists and as people who are constantly
>> raising these issues, is really important. So I applaud and thank you
>> for that, I really do, because we can't get change unless there's
>> constant
> pressure.
>> But
>> now the next step, so, you know – part of you need to keep the
>> pressure on and part of you need to help figure out what do we do now,
>> how are we gonna do it? [emphasis in original] Slick moves. Praise the
>> victims for objecting to their victimhood.
>> Compliment them on their efforts to end victimization. Tell them it's
>> up to them to bring authority to heel, and to heal. And put the
>> responsibility on the victims to figure out what the victimizers
>> should do differently. And be extra careful not to come close to even
>> implying that the president or the cops or anyone in between has any
>> personal or institutional responsibility for victimizing people in the
>> first place. Good job, Hillary Clinton.
>> Six minutes into the empty rhetoric, Clinton has answered no questions
>> and offered no solutions, but bloviated "sympathetically" to get to this:
>> We need a whole comprehensive plan that I am more than happy to work
>> with you guys on, to try to figure out, OK, we know black lives
>> matter, we need to keep saying it so that people accept it, what do we do
> next?
>> Julius Jones tried to get Hillary Clinton to address specifics As
>> Clinton began to ramble on along this track, Julius Jones, founder of
>> Black Lives Matter in Worcester, Massachusetts, gently, almost
>> tentatively intervened to say how honored he was to have Hillary
>> Clinton talking to him, and such, but mass incarceration hasn't
>> worked, like so much else:
>> The truth is that there's an extremely long history of unfortunate
>> government practices that don't work, that particularly affect black
>> people and black families. And until we, as a country, and then the
>> person who's in the seat that you seek, actually addresses the
>> anti-blackness current that is America's first drug – we're in a
>> meeting about drugs, right?
>> America's first drug is free black labor and turning black bodies into
>> profit, and the mass incarceration system mirrors an awful lot like
>> the prison plantation system. It's a similar thread, right? And until
>> someone takes that message and speaks that truth to white people in
>> this country, so that we can actually take on anti-blackness as a
>> founding problem in this country, I don't believe that there is going
>> to be a solution....
>> Jones pointed out that there's a lot of money in prisons, that the US
>> spends more money on prisons than it spends on schools. Throughout,
>> Clinton was keeping a sober face and going "Mmmm" as if agreeing to
>> his points. She seemed to agree when he said that African-American
>> people were suffering more than others. And Jones expressed the fear
>> that the plantation evolving into the prison system would evolve into
>> new horrors unless something changed. So he returned to Yancey's
>> original question in a different form:
>> You know, I genuinely want to know – you and your family have been, in
>> no uncertain way, partially responsible for this, more than most,
>> right? Now, there may have been unintended consequences. But now that
>> you understand the consequences, what in your heart has changed that's
>> going to change the direction in this country? Like, what in you –
>> like, not your platform, not what you're supposed to say – like,how do
>> you actually feel that's different than you did before? Like, what
>> were the mistakes? And how can those mistakes that you made be lessons
>> for all of America for a moment of reflection on how we treat black
>> people in this country? [emphasis added] How does Hillary Clinton
>> "actually feel that's different" from before?
>> This is a potentially devastating moment for candidate Clinton.
>> Without missing a beat, a staff member interrupts, breaks the flow,
>> and says something about keeping on schedule. Jones objected to the
>> interruption and the staffer even said, "I'm not interrupting," but
>> he'd given the candidate another 20 seconds to frame her answer:
>> "Well, obviously it's a very thoughtful question that deserves a
> thoughtful answer."
>> Then Clinton vamped on her "commitment" to make things better, going
>> into a long riff on how she had spent much of her life trying to make
>> things better for kids, all kinds of kids. She agreed that "there has
>> to be a reckoning,"
>> but also a "positive vision." Once you face the truth of racial
>> history, she said, then most people will say: so what am I supposed to
>> do about it?
>> That's what I'm trying to put together in a way that I can explain it
>> and I can sell it ­– because in politics, you can't explain it and you
>> can't sell it, it stays on the shelf.
>> Clinton then referred to other movements – civil rights, women's
>> rights, gay rights – and started a mini-lecture on how these movements
>> had plans in place so that, once they had raised consciousness, they
>> could get laws passed. Her spiel was self-servingly ahistorical,
>> comparing the year-old Black Lives Matter to other movements that took
>> decades to evolve. Her point was that Black Lives Matter needed a
>> plan, which is undeniable. The point she didn't make clear was that
>> she had nothing to contribute. She covered that absence by saying:
>> Your analysis is totally fair. It's historically fair. It's
>> psychologically fair. It's economically fair. But you're going to have
>> to come together as a movement and say, "Here's what we want done
>> about it," because you can get lip service from as many white people
>> as you can pack into Yankee Stadium and a million more like it, who
>> are going to say, "Oh, we get it. We get it.
>> We're going to be nicer." OK? That's not enough, at least in my book.
>> That's
>> not how I see politics.
>> So, the consciousness raising, the advocacy, the passion, the youth of
>> your movement is so critical. But now all I'm suggesting is, even for
>> us sinners, find some common ground on agendas that can make a
>> difference right here and now in people's lives. And that's what I
>> would love to, you know, have your thoughts about, because that's what
>> I'm trying to figure out how to do…."
>> [emphasis added]
>> If the "analysis is totally fair," why is Clinton's response so pallid?
>> Clinton spent another minute or so making the same point in another
>> way, once again absolving herself of commitment to any particular
>> goal, or strategy, and once more laying it on the victims to deal with
>> their victimization by the white culture she represents and helped
>> shape in its present form. They had been talking about 14 minutes by
>> then and Hillary Clinton had answered no questions and had offered
>> nothing. A staffer interrupted, saying it was time to go.
>> But Julius Jones quietly refused to accept the patronizing pat on the
>> head with the implied promise of a bone to be tossed at some
>> indefinite time in the future. With quiet patience he opened up the
>> only meaningful dialogue of the encounter, as reported on Democracy
>> NOW!:
>> JULIUS JONES: Respectfully, the piece that's most important – and I
>> stand here in your space, and I say this as respectfully as I can –
>> but if you don't tell black people what we need to do, then we won't
>> tell you all what you need to do. Right?
>> HILLARY CLINTON: I'm not telling you; I'm just telling you to tell me.
>> JULIUS JONES: What I mean to say is that this is, and has always been,
>> a white problem of violence. It's not– there's not much that we can do
>> to stop the violence against us. [emphasis added throughout] That is
>> the moment of truth. Blacks are almost powerless to stop white people
>> from killing them. Blacks have always been almost powerless to stop
>> white people from killing them. White people need to decide that
>> killing black people is wrong and will no longer be allowed by the
>> white power structure. Clinton must know this, it's so obvious. She
>> said, "I understand what you're saying," but she gave no evidence that
>> she understands. And when Jones tried to pursue his argument, she cut
>> him off, her voice rising peevishly, sarcastically echoing
>> "respectfully" with no respect:
>> JULIUS JONES: And then, we are also, respectfully, respectfully—
>> HILLARY CLINTON: Yeah, well, respectfully, if that is your position,
>> then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal
>> with a very real problem.
>> JULIUS JONES: That's not what I mean. That's not what I mean. That's
>> not what I mean.
>> HILLARY CLINTON: Well—
>> JULIUS JONES: But like, what I'm saying is you –what you just said was
>> a form of victim blaming.Right? You were saying that what the Black
>> Lives Matter movement … needs to do to change white hearts is to come
>> up with a policy change.
>> HILLARY CLINTON: No, I'm not talking about—look, I don't believe you
>> change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of
>> resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change
> every heart….
>> In the end, Clinton promised nothing – so you know what to expect
>> Clinton creates a straw man argument – Jones didn't say "change every
>> heart." Then she uses that falsehood to say again what she's been
>> saying all along, to say what Jones said she said. Once again Clinton
>> puts the responsibility for creating change on the people with the
>> least power to create change. This is nothing but bad faith. (Even
>> Bill Clinton has apologized, at the N.A.A.C.P. convention, for
>> increasing the mass incarceration of black young men: "I signed a bill
>> that made the problem
>> worse.")
>> Ironically, Hillary Clinton's nasty suggestion that "I will talk only
>> to white people" actually implies a more relevant tactic. She has no
>> intention of doing anything like that, it seems. But it would be a
>> start for Hillary Clinton to talk to her 1990s self and say, out loud,
>> that mass incarceration for profit was a morally and economically
>> corrupt idea and today I reject it. Then today's Hillary Clinton might
>> have more credibility when she expressed sympathy for people oppressed
>> in part by her own past policies.
>> (A
>> sometimes hilarious pro-Hillary version of this event by Maggie
>> Haberman appeared on page one of the August 20 New York Times.) What
>> happened in Keene was that she concluded with her voice reaching an
>> almost angry intensity, with her finger pointing at the black man's
>> chest, and with her message reiterated that, if America fails to
>> change, it's the victims' fault.
>> So maybe she really is talking only to white people. Hillary Clinton
>> has been in public life for decades. How can she possibly be so
>> unaware of racial reality as she presents herself. How can she
>> possibly know at least some of the things that need to be done to
>> improve Black lives and all lives? Her message – or really, her lack
>> of message – is certainly what a whole lot of white people want to hear.
>> In that respect, she's little different from Scott Walker, who
>> responded to a reporter asking him if he would meet with Black Lives
>> Matter by calling the question "ridiculous." Walker added: "I'm here
>> to talk to voters in New Hampshire about things that matter."
>> Does Black Lives Matter matter enough to enough people?
>> For Scott Walker, suggesting that Black Lives Matter is something that
>> doesn't matter is designed to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or one
>> could say that Walker continues the grand old tradition of
>> marginalizing the marginalized. And no wonder, since Black Lives
>> Matter is a conscious, conscientious threat to Walker and all his ilk.
>> Black Lives Matter describes itself as:
>> … an ideological and political intervention; we are not controlled by
>> the same political machine we are attempting to hold accountable. In
>> the year leading up to the elections, we are committed to holding all
>> candidates for Office accountable to the needs and dreams of Black
>> people. We embrace a diversity of tactics. We are a decentralized
>> network aiming to build the leadership and power of black people….
>> Historically, all political parties have participated in the
>> systematic disenfranchisement of Black people. Anti-black racism,
>> especially that sanctioned by the state, has resulted in the loss of
>> healthy and thriving Black life and well-being. Given that, we will
>> continue to hold politicians and political parties accountable for
>> their policies and platforms. We will also continue to demand the
> intentional dismantling of structural racism.
>> So far, Hillary Clinton only pretends to be interested in thinking
>> about that. She has better rhetoric and a more flexible and subtle
>> approach to racial issues than Walker and his fellow Republicans. She
>> seems to offer more sympathy to victims of the American system, but
>> it's hard to see how she's offering a presidency that would deliver
>> very much better results than any of theirs.
>> The official position of the Sanders campaign on racial justice (9
>> pages) is unequivocal in principle:
>> We must pursue policies that transform this country into a nation that
> ..> affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing
> the
>> four central types of violence waged against black and brown Americans:
>> physical, political, legal and economic….
>> It is an outrage that in these early years of the 21st century we are
>> seeing intolerable acts of violence being perpetuated by police, and
>> racist terrorism by white supremacists.
>> Hillary Clinton, face-to-face with Black Lives Matter people speaking
>> truth to would-be power, offered nothing better than equivocation and
>> victim blaming.
>>
>> William M. Boardman has over 40 years experience in theatre, radio,
>> TV, print journalism, and non-fiction, including 20 years in the
>> Vermont judiciary. He has received honors from Writers Guild of
>> America, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Vermont Life magazine,
>> and an Emmy Award nomination from the Academy of Television Arts and
>> Sciences.
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