Subject: Re: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive To Openness
Chuck,
Gates was born into the Upper Class and has risen to become a member of the Ruling Class. His upbringing and interests were never those of the Working Class. But because he is wildly successful and rich beyond our ability to comprehend, we find some people turning to him and listening to his views as if they were handed down from God.
We make this same mistake with other successful people. Doctors and lawyers run for public office and we somehow believe that they have more insight because of their individual success. But in fact, most folks we anoint as successful are very narrowly focused. They have become successful in their specialty, but most often do not have a broad overview of the issues. Of course they have the ability to tell us that they do, but that doesn't make it true.
Remember one thing about Bill Gates. He has become a billionaire from the profits generated through the labor of others, and through the overpriced sales of the product. I am not trying to put down Bill Gates. He is immensely successful by our standards of success. But his success is built upon the sweat of others, and the ability of us to buy his stuff.
Instead of seeing us as partners, Bill Gates sees us as a natural resource, put in place for his purposes. This is not a man I want determining the sort of education my grand children will receive.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----From: ckrugman@sbcglobal.netSent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:46 AMSubject: Re: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive To OpennessFrom what I understand he would like to see schools that are privately run charter schools and his efforts to reform education undermine classroom teachers and unions.Chuck----- Original Message -----From: Carl JarvisSent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:14 PMSubject: Re: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive To OpennessChuck,You state the obvious, but it's worth saying again.Of course Bill Gates is associating with right wing interests. He was never a kid who played stick ball on the empty lot, or collected pop bottles and cans to earn enough to attend the Saturday Matinee.Carl Jarvis----- Original Message -----From: ckrugman@sbcglobal.netSent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:16 PMSubject: Re: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive To Opennessbe very suspect of anything that Bill Gates does or wants in his so-called
philanthropic endeavors. There are lots of ties to right-wing interests and
hidden agendas.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <ccrawford@RCN.com>
To: "Blind Democracy Discussion List" <blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive To
Openness
> Hi Claude and Miriam and all,
>
> The thing about folks knowing how to use their computer search
> engines is a curious thing. I can understand where learning how to search
> for and evaluate the results of a search can be a useful skill and the
> extent to which the user knows what the information received is about; is
> the extent to which that person may well be considered to be educated. In
> short, if a person needs to prepare a research paper on x, y, and z, and
> that person uses a search engine to gain materials which will be
> referenced; what might the problem with that be as long as the person
> understands the context in which the information is being presented?
> Well, thems my convoluted 2 cents.
>
> -- Charlie.
>
> At 10:44 PM 4/7/2012, you wrote:
>>Gotyaa!!
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Claude Everett
>>"I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one man who does
>>absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune of hundreds of
>>millions
>>of dollars, while millions of men and women who work all the days of their
>>lives secure barely enough for a wretched existence."
>>Eugene Victor Debs
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
>>[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
>>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 6:22 PM
>>To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
>>Subject: RE: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive
>>To
>>Openness
>>
>>OK. I listened to Bill Gates. Just a few thoughts. He sounded better than
>>I
>>thought he would in terms of saying that teacher evaluations should not be
>>published in newspapers and in saying that teachers' performance should
>>not
>>be judged on test scores alone. My two big problems with what he said are.
>>1. He and the interviewer assumed that making educational judgements are
>>the
>>same as making business judgments in a corporation. 2. When asked about
>>good
>>teachers he had while growing up, he mentioned that he attended a private
>>school and then proceeded to talk about how some of his teachers had been
>>helpful to him. To equate whatever private school he attended to the
>>schools
>>that the vast majority of our children attend is cynical, to say the
>>least.
>>Our children attend public schools where funding is being cut or charter
>>schools run by for profit corporations. Most of the problems in education
>>that Gates and his reformer friends talk about, have to do with
>>essentially
>>black or Hispanic segregated school systems in under resourced
>>neighborhoods. The problems seen in school are a reflection of our
>>society's
>>treatment of poor people. But they're also not talking about how more and
>>more, the education of most of our children is aimed at producing passive
>>individuals with the skills required by our corporate fascist state. We
>>have
>>a population that knows nothing about history, literature, music, or
>>science. They are, however, very adept at using cell phones and apps. It
>>isn't even necessary to keep facts in their minds anymore. They just use
>>their favorite search engine and what the computer tells them is
>>considered
>>ultimate truth.
>>
>>Miriam
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
>>[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of ted chittenden
>>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 12:40 PM
>>To: blind-democracy
>>Subject: NPR: Bill Gates: Making Teacher Evaluations Public Not Conducive
>>To
>>Openness
>>
>>Hi to all.
>>Of all the oxymorons I've heard over my life, this one has to take the
>>prize
>>for the number of people this policy will affect. I think the audio on
>>site
>>is even more important than the text I've posted below it.
>>
>>I am also becoming more and more convinced that those who have earned
>>money
>>believe they have a right to tell those who haven't earned money what to
>>do.
>>--
>>Ted Chittenden
>>
>>Every story has at least two sides if not more.
>>
>>http://thin.npr.org/s.php?sId=150158412&rId=7&x=1
>>
>>By Eyder Peralta
>>
>>Weekend Edition Saturday, April 7, 2012 . Bill Gates is of course better
>>known as the co-founder of Microsoft. But his foundation, The Bill And
>>Melinda Gates Foundation, which contributes to NPR, is known for pouring
>>millions into education reform.
>>
>>Gates made a splash back in February when he came out against making
>>Teacher
>>Data Reports - or evaluations - public in New York City. Los Angeles
>>Public
>>Schools released similar data.
>>
>>This is a big deal, because his foundation has advocated for tougher
>>accountability standards for teachers, something teachers unions haven't
>>fully embraced.
>>
>>In an interview with Weekend Edition Saturday's host Scott Simon, Gates
>>explained himself.
>>
>>"The goal is to help teachers be better," Gates said. "And when we run
>>personelle systems where we want to be frank with employees about where
>>they
>>need to improve having [evaluations] publicly available is not conducive
>>to
>>openness and a free exchange of views."
>>
>>Scott pushed that point, asking Gates if he could understand this is
>>information might be helpful for parents who want to know how their
>>children's teachers are performing.
>>
>>Gates said parents looking at evaluations could lead to a rush of them
>>trying to get their kids in classrooms with the highly-rated teachers and
>>that's a "zero-sum game," he said, when what we should be doing is helping
>>all teachers improve.
>>
>>Still, Gates said he believed in evaluations. He said if Microsoft didn't
>>have evaluations, "it wouldn't have worked."
>>
>>He said that seniority and educational degrees didn't correlate with "who
>>was writing the best code."
>>
>>Much more of Scott's conversation with Gates will air on Weekend Edition
>>Saturday. Click here to find a station that airs the program. We'll also
>>post the as-aired version of the interview here.
>>
>>
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