Fwd: [acb-chat] Great Society?

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From: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:51:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [acb-chat] Great Society?
To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion
list." <acb-chat@acblists.org>
Cc: Eric Calhoun <eric@pmpmail.com>

So we disagree, Bob. That's what makes the world go round.
First, this world you prefer to live in was once upon a time nothing
more than a dream. If it had not been for Dreamers, we would still be
living under some King or Despot, trembling whenever the Kings
soldiers came to take what the King wanted.
So if you don't like my use of Oligarchy, give me some alternatives
that pleases you more. I call it that because this nation was the
product of some very bright White Men, Landowners who were tired of
having the Kings soldiers take away whatever the King wanted. But
these White Men did not trust what they considered the Riff Raff,
those men who were in the hire of the Landed Gentry. Negroes and
Indians were not to be trusted in the running of the new government.
Nor were women...of any color. Included later on to the ranks of the
excluded were Chinese, Japanese and Mexicans. That left White Men
over 21 years of age, Landholders or possessors of substantial wealth.
In brief, an Oligarchy, a government of the privileged few, ruling
over the rest of the people. Despite all the changes, this government
still serves the Wealthy descendants of those original
Revolutionaries, above the needs of the Masses.
While I have read smatterings of Karl Marx, my favorite mentor is
Howard Zinn. His history book, A People's History of the United
States, clearly lays out how this nation came to be what it is today.
Finally Bob, I too am living in the "real" world. But one thing I
have that you appear not to have are my dreams. I can live here, and
I can still dream of a better life for all mankind. And I can dream
that we Humans have the collective knowledge to maintain Planet Earth
as our Garden of Eden.
Carl Jarvis


On 1/5/18, Eric Calhoun via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
> Will you please explain to Carl why we do not have an oligarchy? What do
> you want in the nw Great Society?
>
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> Original Message:
> From: Bob via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org>
> To: <bkl@ncf.ca>, "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where
> a wide range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
> whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list."
> <acb-chat@acblists.org>
> CC: Bob <buildyourownwealth@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] The Midnight Cry: a voice in the wilderness
> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:16:42 +0000
>
> Hello Carl:
>
> First of all, this country is not an oligarchy. To say so
> demonstrates your ignorance and/or your support for Marxism.
> Rather than responding to opinions and/or philosophies differing
> from yours, you continue to espouse the ramblings of Carl Marx.
> In an earlier email within this thread, I specifically asked you
> your preferred political structure. Rather than responding, you
> ramble on about theories rather than reality. What you claim to
> support is just not reality. We have progressed from an agrarian
> society to an industrial society to now being an information society.
> Bottom line, we will just have to agree to disagree. You can live
> in your theoretical world: I prefer to live in the real world.
> Have a Happy New Year.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 1/5/18, Brian K. Lingard via acb-chat <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>> Ottawa Canada
>>
>> Dear Karen & List:
>> Not sure why electronic verification of In Home Support Services
>> will destroy the lives of people using it, so will accept your
>> word on this. Yes, can foresee people state shopping to live in
>> ones with good or excellent health care. May pit states against
>> each other as they decide they do not wish moochers from other
>> states moving there just to in their opinion, freeload.
>> Brian
>>
>> From: Karen Rose [mailto:rosekm@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday,
>> December 31, 2017 5:12 PM
>> To: bkl@ncf.ca; General discussion list for ACB members and
>> friends where a wide range of topics from blindness to politics,
>> issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is
>> a free form discussion list. <acb-chat@acblists.org>
>>
>> I know someone who moved to Massachusetts just so that she could
>> have healthcare along with her federal Medicare in her old age.
>> It seems to work very well there. Massachusetts is also the only
>> state that has delayed implementation of electronic verification
>> for I HSS. Electronic verification if implemented will destroy
>> the lives of anyone using in-home support services. Karen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Brian K. Lingard via acb-chat
>> <acb-chat@acblists.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ottawa Canada
>>>
>>> Dear Clifford & List:
>>> One Commonwealth with a single payer health care plan is
>> Massachusetts. Not sure about patient satisfaction or costs
>> there. Spoke with a woman at the Mass House of assembly. She
>> briefly explained the plan. I said, Ghee you might start a
>> Revolution! She said well we did, a long time ago. Heard one of
>> the Kennedy family years ago said he wished they could introduce
>> a single payer plan in Massachusetts, however they could not
>> afford it at the time.
>>> Ran my grammar & spelling checker over the previous messages.
>> Have a look at the changes it made. The checkers strongly dislike
>> abbreviations with an apostrophe in them. Also dislikes sentences
>> that begin with But or and other words. Likes to replace them
>> with In addition, however and therefore. Noticed a few words ran
>> together. Running the grammar and spelling checker will help
>> avoid this. Usually you summon the grammarian and spelean with
>> the F-7 key on the keyboard. I habitually run the checkers on
>> everything I write, as otherwise I would come across as barely
>> literate.
>>> Not a criticism, just what I trust are constructive
>> observations. Was applying for a job writing letters to be signed
>> by the Minister of Revenue himself. The Minister does not hope
>> you understand his position, but he trusts you do or that he must
>> follow the law was passed by Parliament. The above comments may
>> be applicable to previous message authors, not just Clifford.
>>>
>>> Bob:
>>> Yes, we need the Captains of Industry to think of the future,
>> not just
>>> This Quarter's Profit. You may sell your factory, leasing space
>> from the new owners. You show a wonderful profit this quarter,
>> however, your monthly cost for workspace and warehouse may
>> increase. I suppose if there are pot holes in the roadway or a
>> sidewalk needs levelling public-minded homeowners could get
>> together and on a Saturday morning pick up a truckload,
>> double-axle, of Hot Patch Asphalt from the Roadbuilder's Yard
>> down the street, and patch the potholes, saving the City the fuss
>> and bother of doing so. If there is a river that requires a
>> bridge, the homeowners on both sides of the river can get
>> together. Draw up blueprints for a brand new bridge, submit them
>> to the city engineer, who will review the plans, specifications
>> etc. If he finds them to meet generally accepted standards for a
>> bridge on a class 100 roadway, will approve the plans and grant a
>> building permit. The neighbors post the permit prominent tly at
>> the building site, rent steam shovels, back hoes, dig the
>> footings, and then erect the reinforcing steel across the river.
>> They build cement f
>>
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