Good Wednesday Morning All You Irrational Blind People!
Jessie wrote in part, "...does blind equal irrational and sight equals rational? ... that's a new way to diagnose or detect it ".
In fact, it is the oldest way and is a major piece of the misunderstanding that exists between sighted and blind people.
And, in truth it is how we Humans deal with any people or customs that are not familiar to us.
Everything from mimicking the strange accents of others, to poking fun at how they dress or walk, or their different customs.
Perhaps some of it is tied to a need to feel superior to others, to let them know that they are in the presence of Culture. But some of it is a way of hiding our discomfort and even fear of that which we do not understand.
But also, we tend to see the world from within our own heads. "normal" stops at the tip of our nose. Since my behavior is rational, naturally your different behavior is irrational.
But not to worry, my dear blind brothers and sisters. Our irrational behavior can be treated. Intensive training and a few sessions with a psychiatrist and we will be almost as good as regular sighted folks. Almost, except for that naggy little problem of not being able to see. But hey, we can "look" sighted, even if we are sightless. And with expensive tools we can actually do some sorts of productive work.
But before we fly into a blind rage or go off groping in the dark, just remember that we blind folk do exactly the same thing to our sighted neighbors as they do to us. They just happen to outnumber us.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----From: J.RaylTo: Carl JarvisCc: Acb ListSent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:37 AMSubject: Re: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blindWell, Carl, you're correct and this is certainly a difficult one to be rationale over. I'm sorry, when people are being irrational, sometimes its just pretty dang difficult to expect others to respond "rationally", but of course we are supposed too? Seems like I just had that little discussion with "professionals" today in regards to some other issues of my own about their irrationale behavior, yet of course I was the one not being "rational". Sure.So now, I wonder: does blind equal irrational and sight equals rational? Yeah, that's a new way to diagnose or detect it but one would think so.----- Original Message -----From: Carl JarvisTo: Pia ; Ashley BramlettCc: Acb ListSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:50 PMSubject: Re: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blindPia and All,Absolutely, walking away dead right!!!over the years I've seen too many blind couples harassed by CPA and Social Workers, to clear up any doubt regarding the underlying motivation for their actions. In one word it is, Prejudice.It takes all of my powers as a kindly elder not to go ballistic over the arrogant, snooty, tight assed behavior of some of these little twits. And that's me talking on a good day.I have sat with parents while they cried their hearts out because of threats to seize their babies on the basis that they were unable to properly care for them because they were both blind.I have sat in CPA offices and requested the statistical proof that blind people are a greater risk to children's well being than are sighted parents. No such proof can be found.I have invited these Over Educated Idiots into my home back when I was a single parent, challenging them to find where I was endangering my children. None ever came.Our state organization has stood up in support for many blind parents over the years. And we never lost a single child to the calloused clutches of those unfeeling, uncaring drones.But I probably should hold this until a time when I feel that I can speak more frankly.Carl Jarvis----- Original Message -----From: PiaTo: Ashley BramlettCc: Acb ListSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:31 PMSubject: Re: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blindThe thing is, its none of their business. We don't demand that they
explain their parenting techniques to us unless they are abusing their
kids. They should not make us prove we are competent parents unless there
has been evidence in the same vein as evidence presented against a
sighted, non disabled person, that we are not.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Frank,
> I wonder. I suppose a seminar with CPS about the techniques blind people use
> to live and raise children would help and a video too.
> Yes we need to be proactive.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: frank M. Hernandez
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:04 PM
> To: Ken Metz ; Acb List
> Subject: Re: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blind
>
> Ken,
> I really can't talk about my personal experiences with CPS and
> foster care, because we're in the mitst of a sad case right now
> but after reading your post I'm wondering how WE can help to
> educate CPS?
>
> The CPS staff I have had the pleasure of working with have never
> made my total blindness a big issue. We have fostered several
> children. A 15-year-old, a 2 year old a one-year-old and a
> 7-day-old. Two of these children are still placed with us.
>
> I would like to put it out there, how can we, people who are
> blind be a positive force in changing some of the miss
> perseptions in CPS.
> I also raised two biological children, the oldest is 18 and the
> other is 12.
>
> Sometimes I feel that as the blind community we wait till
> something happens to one of us and then we react. Why can't we
> act prier to a child being removed from his or her blind parents?
>
> Frank M. Hernandez.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Metz" <kenmetz1946@gmail.com
> To: "'alice dampman humel'" <alicedh@verizon.net>,"'J.Rayl'"
> <thedogmom63@frontier.com>, "'Yvonne'" <yvonne625@verizon.net
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:43:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blind
>
> Hi Yvonne.
>
> My ex and I were both totally blind and had two children without
> problems.
> This was in the 70's. A few years ago just South of San
> Francisco, CPS tried
> to get a child away from a blind couple before they even left the
> hospital
> with the baby. Why? Because the Father was nervous when putting
> on a diaper
> at the hospital. The hospital staff reported the parents to CPS
> who tried to
> take the baby away. I'm willing to bet that a lot of these folks
> in CPS
> aren't even parents, but have learned from TV and books from
> ancient times
> that persons who are blind are stupid. Sight automatically makes
> you smart.
> That's why all the child abuse cases you hear of are from sighted
> parents.
> I'm not saying a blind parent couldn't be a bad parent as we are
> all
> supposed to be human beings with either good or bad tendencies,
> but we are
> portrayed in a manner called stupid.
>
> KEN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-l-bounces@acb.org [mailto:acb-l-bounces@acb.org] On
> Behalf Of
> alice dampman humel
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:15 PM
> To: J.Rayl; Yvonne
> Cc: Acb List
> Subject: Re: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blind
>
> now this is truly a blindness-related issue, and I think Jessie
> is
> absolutely right. God, how I loathe meddling busybodies who
> think they know
> everything about what blind people can and should do, how they
> should do it,
> etc.
> Yvonne, I hope you can get people to help you in advocating
> against the
> meddlers who reported you and getting CPS off your back, because,
> as we all
> have seen over and over again, once they sink their teeth into
> something,
> they can and often do turn your whole life into a living hell and
> rip your
> life apart, destroy lives, and meanwhile, the family who should
> be the
> recipients of their attention ends up with a kid in the hospital,
> or, worse,
> dead. Remember that case not too terribly long ago when the
> authorities
> wanted to remove the child from his blind parents for no other
> reason than
> that the parents were blind, although the child was
> well-cared-for, etc?
> This is a blatant violation of the civil rights of blind people,
> and it is
> the thin edge of the wedge: if they get away with telling you you
> can't
> watch these two kids because you're legally blind, where will it
> end?
> Check out the people Jessie mentioned, I hope others can also
> help you and
> good luck!
> Alice
> alicedh@verizon.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.Rayl" <thedogmom63@frontier.com
> To: "Yvonne" <yvonne625@verizon.net
> Cc: "Acb List" <acb-l@acb.org
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 8:13 PM
> Subject: [acb-l] Cps and people who are blind
>
>
> Wait a minute!
> I'm not even engaging this other absurd buisness on list because
> its
> nothing more than a bunch of immature drama. Sorry.
> Yvonne, this is a very, very serious issue, however.
> Someone called CPS because you were watching two children and
> they,
> actually, told you that you can watch one and not the other?
> This is
> in total violation of their Policy and you need to involve ACB's
> Advocacy commitee ASAP.
> We've had, fought, battled and won many other such incidents and
> this
> confounded BS with the Department needs to end!
> CPS cannot, absolutely cannot, make these kinds of rulings
> unless they
> can prove outright neglect and/or abuse. They cannot make that
> ruling
> based solely on physical or intellectual disability and they
> darn well
> know this.
> I would absolutely, positively, encourage you to get hold of
> Chris
> Bell immediately and get this moving.
>
> Jessie Rayl
> thedogmom63@frontier.com
> www.facebook.com/Eaglewings10
> www.pathtogrowth.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yvonne" <yvonne625@verizon.net
> To: "'Pia'" <pmikeal@comcast.net>; "'Eric Calhoun'"
> <eric@pmpmail.com
> Cc: <acb-l@acb.org
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [acb-l] Eric strikes back, and will not back down!
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> I really have not been following this thread much since I have
> seen
> this email many times and to be honest it is not a blind thing.
> I grew
> up sighted in the times mentioned and it was fun, and I am
> saddened
> when I think that the children of today cannot play and be as
> free as
> we once were. My niece and her 2 kids live with me and I can
> only
> watch the 5 year old because she is afraid children and youth
> will get
> called. The sad thing is that they were called a few months
> ago, we
> guess by a neighbor, because they thought I can't watch a child
> because I am legally blind.
>
> So to get back to the original email, it is just reminiscing how
> free
> our society once was.
> Yvonne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-l-bounces@acb.org [mailto:acb-l-bounces@acb.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Pia
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:20 PM
> To: Eric Calhoun
> Cc: acb-l@acb.org
> Subject: Re: [acb-l] Eric strikes back, and will not back down!
>
> Just out of curiosity, why did that post offend you so badly? I
> don't
> get it, because growing up in the 80's I see a lot of light
> hearted
> truth in it.
> As blind people it is even more important to learn the kind of
> independence talked about in that post and so am glad my parents
> let
> me fully experience the 80's as outlined in that post the same
> as my
> siblings did instead of treating me different because I am
> blind.
> What if the way society has changed does negatively effect newer
> generations if their parents are not careful enough to teach
> them that
> kind of independence in the way they raise them? I know some
> blind
> kids when I was a kid were treated in a coddled way because of
> being
> blind, and so it is kinda scary to think all kids in general are
> too
> coddled now adays by society, because the few kids I knew who
> were
> raised in a coddled way have a really difficult time making it
> now as
> adults.
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, Eric Calhoun wrote:
>
> Do you know how grumpy I am right now? Do you know how highly
> upset
> I am right now? It's because of a poster on this list, who
> insults
> my intelligence in sending this "ignorant" pos t about blind
> people
> over
> 34 oughta be dead! Shame on us for commenting on this forward.
> Shame on us for having the poster in trouble!
>
> You need to think of people, whom you might offend in cases like
> this.
> When I said the forward left a bad taste in my mouth, why did
> some of
> you add more fuel to the fire! Bob, thank you for stepping in!
> And
> to the poster who posted this forward, you owe me, Mr. Hachey,
> Mrs.
> Parsons, and Mr. Larose an apology! STOP TRYING TO INSULT MY
> INTELLIGENCE!
>
> Eric
> ..
>
> ..
>
> Eric Calhoun. Be kind to your dogs and play with them. Don't
> forget
> to cuddle with them and let your give you lots of hugs and
> kisses!
> Read to your dog. Play music for your dog. Never forget: Dogs
> love
> us unconditionally! Eric Calhoun on Facebook: eric@pmpmail.com.
>
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