The Rain on Our Parade: A Letter to My Dismal Allies

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Carl Jarvis

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: The Rain on Our Parade: A Letter to My Dismal Allies

Ted,

 

No argument .  Doesn't it seem that this all adds up to a controlled political environment? 

So my choices are none.  I either march to the Right, which will never happen, or I march to the Middle)formerly the Left) and hope for the best. 

Some of the Native Tribes tried that method, going along with the flow.  It didn't make any difference.  Sure, some of them lived longer than the Tribes that fought back, but many of them were double crossed, cheated out of their property and left dying alongside the trails. 

More than likely they figured that if they went along, they might salvage some of the promised benefits.  Maybe their women and children would fare better than those who stood their ground. 

 

And the Great White Father just kept rolling along. 

 

Carl Jarvis

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ted chittenden

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:23 AM

Subject: Re: The Rain on Our Parade: A Letter to My Dismal Allies

I agree with Miriam. Consider the following:

1) No third party candidate has ever won a U.S. Presidential election.

2) If third party candidates do receive a significant number of votes, those votes will come at the expense of one of the two top candidates.

3) If a third party candidate were to ever be elected U.S. President, he/she would face a shower of hostility from a Congress headed by one or the other of the two main parties. The result would be that absolutely nothing would ever get done.

4) If any sustainable revolt came after the election, it will come from the right, not the left. It is the right that has been arming itself for just such a task and not the left.
--
Ted Chittenden

Every story has at least two sides if not more.
---- joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@comcast.net> wrote:
Dear Miriam,

While I will likely vote for Obama, and would today if we had early voting,
for the reasons and more that you cite here I think you are too harsh on
those who take another view.

Just my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@optonline.net>
To: "'Blind Democracy Discussion List'" <blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: The Rain on Our Parade: A Letter to My Dismal Allies


> No, I think about some of the lesbian couples whom I helped adopt children
> and who really wanted to be married so that both partners would have equal
> legal parental rights without jumping through all sorts of hoops and with
> Obama's support, and our New York laws, I personally feel that I know
> families for whom something has improved. And, if things don't get screwed
> up with a Republican sweept, the donut hole in Medicare part D will be
> closed by the Affordable Health Care Act and that will be one less thing I
> need to worrry about because I take a huge amount of medication. So right
> there, off the top of my head, I can tell you that it isn't true that we
> are
> powerless and cut off from decisions made by some far away Gods on
> Olympus.
> Your rhetoric is misleading because it is discouraging. It causes people
> to
> feel that it's OK to give up on the system because the system doesn't live
> up to our hopes and ideals. My God, if everyone does that, if all the
> disappointed Democrats and swing voters and Progressives stay home because
> Obama didn't fulfill their dreams and just went ahead and acted like most
> U.S. presidents, we're going to end up with a government more extreme than
> the Bush administration which stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, allowed
> us
> to be attacked because it was so focused on Iraq that it paid no attention
> to all the loud, clear warnings about an AlQaeda attack, and then used
> that
> attack to begin to install a police state. And the people responsible for
> this are waiting in the wings, are Romney advisors, are waiting to take
> over
> so the war with Iran can begin and Social Security can be privatized, not
> cut, but privatized, and Medicare and Medicaid can be ended. People will
> stay home or vote for the Green Party of the SWP or whatever, and abortion
> will be criminalized, birth control made illegal, and laws formulated by
> ALEC will rule the land. And all of you revolutionaries can smugly smile
> and
> say that things are good because now we're one step closer to the
> revolution.
>
> Miriam
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
> [mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:16 PM
> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
> Subject: Re: The Rain on Our Parade: A Letter to My Dismal Allies
>
>
> Bob and Miriam,
> We can't level the playing field because it is not our playing field, nor
> is
> it even our game.
> We are observers, at best, and at worst we are underwriting the game that
> is
> not our game.
> We watch the teams battle back and forth on the field, both sides playing
> dirty while screaming that it is only the others who refuse to play by the
> rules.
> Suddenly they all stop and look at us sitting along the field's edge.
> "Come and play, we need you", they shout.  And even knowing that we can't
> begin to match their skills and their powers, we begin to try deciding
> which
> side would be the better for us to join.
> We take a deep breath and step out upon the field.  The whistle blows and
> the game begins again.  Only now we feel that we must do something.  But
> before we even figure out what it is that we might do, we are crushed and
> beaten into the turf.  And the two teams go on with their raging battle.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Hachey <mailto:bhachey@verizon.net>
> To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
> <mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: The Rain on Our Parade: A Letter to My Dismal Allies
>
> Hi Miriam,
> I too was a bit surprised by Carl's vehemence upon first read. For a
> moment,
> I thought that he might have been displaying his sarcastic wit once
> again.
> But, thinking about what Obama promised and what has come to pass, I
> surely
> do feel his pain. I was especially disappointed by Obama's economic
> appointments and the increased drone strikes.
> I must say that this article did make very good points. Voting for
> president
> this time around will be an incredible conundrum for me. this system
> is so
> flawed that we need an outside party to take over. But, the
> Republicans have
> swung so far to the right that a Romney victory, especially if
> combined with
> a Republican House and senate will cause a lot of pain for a lot of
> people
> here and abroad.
> The points made about the supreme Court might just cause me to fall
> back
> into voting for the lesser of evils.
> AS for the environment, there is no doubt in my mind that our
> environment
> will fare better under Obama than it would under Romney.
> One more point here about the ADA. Ted, you are right on track with
> your
> views on the ADA. I have just as much respect for civil rights as
> anyone,
> but, let's face it. Making society accessible for PWD is not cheap
> and,
> given tight budgets and the shameful accrual of wealth at the very
> top, I
> can se how we don't have the accessibility we need, especially in
> older
> cities like Boston with very narrow streets. Making improvements to
> accessibility is just one of the many things that we need to do
> along with
> putting people back to work, fixing infrastructure, restoring former
> levels
> of teachers, etc. WE know where to find the money. It's at the top,
> in
> corporate welfare and in our bloated military.
> Bob Hachey
>
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