Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

another stream of nonsense. 
Curious Carl
 

Frank,
Talk about eye conditions.  Prejudice is one we don't mention often enough. 
Macular Degeneration blurs images as it advances in the Macula.  Faces become fuzzy, colors often fade to shades of gray and black.  But prejudice effects the eye differently, it alters images completely, turning an Italian fellow into a Mexican or a Black man.  Prejudice can't distinguish between two people of the same ethnicity, either.  A short Black man looks just the same as a tall, thin light skinned Black man.  I am speaking of men because I do not know the real depth of the impact prejudice has on women. 
But lest we think it is only blindness toward people of color, prejudice also impacts blind people.  Statements like, "All You people" come from prejudice, not from understanding. 
I clambered onto the bus one morning and a new driver said, "Hey!  What are you doing out here in the South End?" 
"I live just up the hill and take this bus every morning," I assured him. 
"Don't you live in Laurelhurst?" 
"In my wildest dreams", I replied.  Laurelhurst is a very upscale neighborhood. 
"Where's your dog?" he went on as if I had never uttered a word. 
"I have a cat, no dog", I mumbled, giving up totally. 
It came to me just who this blind bus driver was confusing me with. 
A friend of mine, 20 years my senior, 6 inches shorter, much rounder in the middle, and a dog guide user, lived in Laurelhurst and often rode the bus. 
When I told him the story later, he said he was flattered.  I said I wanted my key to the front door. 
 
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [acb-chat] [acai-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

Ashley, nope I actually am *NOT* Hispanic. I am a third generation Italian-American. However, because I *look* Hispanic I trigger that prejudicial thinking. Although we were talking about voting. The worst example of that form of racial profiling was of course when I was alone in a motor vehicle. Driving while Hispanic is considered a crime by LEOs just the same as driving while black.

Frank

 

From: Ashley Bramlett [mailto:bookwormahb@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:58 PM
To: Frank Ventura
Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

 

Frank, so are you hispanic?

 

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

 

Carl, could be the difference. I am a short, dark skinned, very Hispanic looking guy who isn't nearly as pretty as you are….

 

From: Carl Jarvis [mailto:carjar82@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:47 PM
To: Frank Ventura; alice dampman humel
Cc: acb-l@acb.org
Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

 

Frank,

Like Alice, I've never been asked.  Not only am I White, six feet two inches and two hundred fifty pounds, but I'm big, too...and damned good looking.  Just ask anyone. 

 

Carl Jarvis

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 3:49 PM

Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

 

Never been asked for ID at the polling place? How white you are.
Frank


-----Original Message-----
From: alice dampman humel [mailto:alicedh@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:39 AM
To: Frank Ventura; Ashley Bramlett; John Huffman; Karen Rose; 'Claude Everett'; 'Kevin LaRose'; 'Baracco, Andrew W'; acb-l@acb.org
Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

I thought that attempt at disenfranchisement had failed...I've never been asked for ID at my polling place.
alicedh@verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com>
To: "alice dampman humel" <alicedh@verizon.net>; "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb@earthlink.net>; "John Huffman"
<j73.huffman@comcast.net>; "Karen Rose" <rosekm@earthlink.net>; "'Claude Everett'" <ceverett@dslextreme.com>; "'Kevin LaRose'"
<kevin@night-light.org>; "'Baracco, Andrew W'"
<Andrew.Baracco@va.gov>; <acb-l@acb.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:30 AM
Subject: RE: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide


Alice, every red state and a few blue ones as well now require ID at polls. Some states even require two forms of ID, including a driver's license. Can you say, keep em poor people from voting.

-----Original Message-----
From: acb-l-bounces@acb.org [mailto:acb-l-bounces@acb.org] On Behalf Of alice dampman humel
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:34 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett; John Huffman; Karen Rose; 'Claude Everett'; 'Kevin LaRose'; 'Baracco, Andrew W'; acb-l@acb.org
Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access was, Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

Show ID? Don't think so...unless some states have indeed been successful in pushing through this discriminatory practice...
alicedh@verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb@earthlink.net>
To: "John Huffman" <j73.huffman@comcast.net>; "Karen Rose"
<rosekm@earthlink.net>; "'Claude Everett'"
<ceverett@dslextreme.com>; "'Kevin LaRose'"
<kevin@night-light.org>; "'Baracco, Andrew W'"
<Andrew.Baracco@va.gov>; <acb-l@acb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access
was,Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide


Seems like an argument for  sake of arguing. Karen, you probably
know this, but you do not, not have to bring a reader to the
polls. That is what poll workers are for! You check in, show ID
like everyone else, and say you need assistance casting the
ballot. Then they help you. I did this for the election of GW
Bush before  I ever heard of or saw accessible voting machines.
It's a pretty painless process.
They will help you and it takes less than a minute to vote.

From: John Huffman
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:29 PM
To: Karen Rose ; 'Claude Everett' ; 'Ashley Bramlett' ; 'Kevin
LaRose' ; 'Baracco, Andrew W' ; acb-l@acb.org
Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access
was,Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

No, Karen, that's not a tax.  If you like to try to change that,
you're free to lobby Congress for the change, or file a lawsuit
in Federal court and see how far it gets.  JH

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Karen Rose
  To: 'Claude Everett' ; 'Ashley Bramlett' ; 'Kevin LaRose' ;
'Baracco, Andrew W' ; acb-l@acb.org
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access
was,Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide

  So, if I were required to pay a reader in order to vote, is
this not a form of tax?



  Karen



  From: Claude Everett [mailto:ceverett@dslextreme.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:03 PM
  To: 'Ashley Bramlett'; 'Kevin LaRose'; 'Karen Rose'; 'Baracco,
Andrew W'; acb-l@acb.org
  Subject: RE: [acb-l] Voting Rights, was: Public Library Access
was,Re: Blindness and the Digital Divide



  Let me wade in here.  The primary Voting right was granted in
the 14th amendment and subsequent amendments. However, the secret
ballot was not specifically mentioned. If anyone has reference to
either state or federal legislation to the secret ballot please
provide it.

  I did find this about the secret ballot from Wikipedia:

  The secret ballot is a voting method in which a voter's choices
in an election or a referendum are anonymous. The key aim is to
ensure the voter records a sincere choice by forestalling
attempts to influence the voter by intimidation or bribery. The
system is one means of achieving the goal of political privacy.

  Secret ballots are suitable for many different voting systems.
The most basic form may be blank pieces of paper, upon which each
voter writes only his or her choice. Without revealing their
votes to anyone, the electors place the ballots into a sealed
box, which is emptied later for counting.

  In the modern world one of the most common forms of the secret
ballot involves pre-printed ballot papers with the name of the
candidates or questions and respective checkboxes. Provisions are
made at the polling place for the voters to record their
preferences in secret. The ballots are specifically designed to
eliminate bias and to prevent anyone from linking voter to
ballot. This system is also known as the Australian ballot,
because it originated in Australia during the 1850s. In the
United States, it is also known as the Massachusetts ballot since
Massachusetts was the first U.S. state to use the secret ballot.

  Constitutional amendments related to voting.

  Amendment XIII

  (The proposed amendment was sent to the states Feb. 1, 1865, by
the Thirty-eighth Congress. It was ratified Dec. 6, 1865.)

  Section 1

  [Slavery prohibited.]

  Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly
convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place
subject to their jurisdiction.

  Section 2

  [Congress given power to enforce this article.]

  Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.



  Amendment XIV

  (The proposed amendment was sent to the states June 16, 1866,
by the Thirty-ninth Congress. It was ratified July 9, 1868.)

  Section 1

  [Citizenship defined; privileges of citizens.]

  All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make
or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or
immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State
deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction
the equal protection of the laws.



  Section 2

  [Apportionment of Representatives.]

  Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number
of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when
the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for
President and Vice President of the United States,
Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers
of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied
to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one
years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way
abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime,
the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the
proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such
State.



  Section 3

  [Disqualification for office; removal of disability.]

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or
elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office,
civil or military, under the United States, or under any State,
who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or
as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State
Legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State,
to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have
engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given
aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a
vote of two thirds of each House, remove such disability.



  Section 4

  [Public debt not to be questioned; payment of debts and claims
incurred in aid of rebellion forbidden.]

  The validity of the public debt of the United States,
authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of
pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or
rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States
nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred
in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or
any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such
debts, obligations, and claims shall be held illegal and void.



  Section 5

  [Congress given power to enforce this article.]

  The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate
legislation, the provisions of this article.



  Amendment XV

  (The proposed amendment was sent to the states Feb. 27, 1869,
by the Fortieth Congress. It was ratified Feb. 3, 1870.)

  Section 1

  [Right of certain citizens to vote established.]

  The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be
denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on
account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.



  Section 2

  [Congress given power to enforce this article.]

  The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.



  Amendment XIX

  (The proposed amendment was sent to the states June 4, 1919, by
the Sixty-sixth Congress. It was ratified Aug. 18, 1920.)



  [The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied because of
sex.]

  The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be
denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on
account of sex.





  [Congress given power to enforce this article.]

  Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.



  Amendment XXIV

  (The proposed amendment was sent to the states Aug. 27, 1962,
by the Eighty-seventh Congress. It was ratified Jan. 23, 1964.)

  Section 1

  [Payment of poll tax or other taxes not to be prerequisite for
voting in federal elections.]

  The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any
primary or other election for President or Vice President, for
electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or
Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by
the United States or any State by reasons of failure to pay any
poll tax or other tax.



  Section 2

  [Congress given power to enforce this article.]

  The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.



  Amendment XXVI

  (The proposed amendment was sent to the states Mar. 23, 1971,
by the Ninety-second Congress. It was ratified July 1, 1971.)

  Section 1

  [Voting for 18-year-olds.]

  The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of
age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the
United States or by any state on account of age.



  Section 2

  [Congress given power to enforce this article.]

  The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.



  © 2000-2012 Pearson Education, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

  Regards,
  Claude Everett
  "I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one
man who does absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune
of hundreds of millions of dollars, while millions of men and
women who work all the days of their lives secure barely enough
for a wretched existence."
  Eugene Victor Debs






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  From: acb-l-bounces@acb.org [mailto:acb-l-bounces@acb.org] On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:00 PM
  To: Kevin LaRose; Karen Rose; 'Baracco, Andrew W';
acb-l@acb.org
  Subject: Re: [acb-l] Public Library Access was,Re: Blindness
and the Digital Divide

  right, nothing in the constitution about ballots. And if Karen
thinks ther is, I challenge her to site the section where it
stipulates that.



  From: Kevin LaRose

  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:38 PM

  To: Karen Rose ; 'Ashley Bramlett' ; 'Baracco, Andrew W' ;
acb-l@acb.org

  Subject: Re: [acb-l] Public Library Access was,Re: Blindness
and the Digital Divide



  Karen, I might be wrong here, but a few years ago I remember
researching this, and there isn't actually anywhere in the
Constitution where it guarantees  *secret* ballot. In fact, up
until the beginning of the twentieth century it was commonplace
for people to go into their voting precincts and simply shout out
their name and who they were voting for. Nothing secret about
that, but it was certainly accessible for all. I think over the
years the secret ballot became an implied, rather than a literal,
guarantee.

  KL



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