can agnostics and atheists have the love of God?

Gigi, Mostafa and All Who Know in their hearts the love of God. 

 

I suppose that some folks would doubt that it is possible for an Agnostic or an Atheist to possess the Love that is God.  But if we don't, then it would stand to reason that Atheists and Agnostics would be the most shallow and thoughtless and self serving people on Earth.  And yet, there are thousands of examples where Agnostics and Atheists perform acts of heroism, and prove themselves to be Selfless and giving. 

When I was a Born Again Christian, I was no more caring than I am today as an Agnostic.  Just as Jesus wept, I weep for the suffering, especially for the little children, around the world. 

All I'm trying to say is that I can see no difference between the devout Believer and the loving Agnostic or Atheist. 

Certainly, my acts toward my fellow human beings are not motivated by some Evil Satan, since I do not believe that such an abomination ever existed. 

And so, as we come into these High Holy Days, I, the Agnostic, open wide my arms and reach out to embrace my loving fellow human beings of all Faiths.  I accept you within your Faith and ask only that you accept one another, and me, openly, lovingly, and honestly. 

Our differences are only in our heads.  For we are all cut from the same piece of cloth. 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mostafa Al'mahdy

To: acb-chat@acb.org

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 4:26 PM

Subject: Re: [acb-chat] acb-chat Digest, Vol 21, Issue 263

Peace and blessings be upon you. Gigi, I never ranted or bashed. I presented
my viewpoint informatively. I never said something awful about your
religion. I am discussing the scriptural texts scientifically. If you can
refute my statement instructively, feel free too. Here is the broadcasted
transcript of the written document we just shared.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc&feature=related
I studied biblical scriptures at competent classes, and I never assaulted
anyone. Allah is the word which refers to the creator of earth and heaven.
Show me on the Christian bible where Jesus says; "I am God, I created this
universe, worship me." Show me where he peace and blessings be upon him said
that decisively. Mostafa.
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>   1. Re: Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
>      message_about_Christmas. (Gigi)
>   2. FW: [thefamilyoffaith] JC One-Liner (Eric Calhoun)
>   3. FW: [PnaiOr-Phila] Hey Hey, NRA, How many kids did you kill
>      today? (Eric Calhoun)
>   4. Re: FW: Fw: No Tax Hikes - Period! (Claude Everett)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:22:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Gigi <cjm0806@comcast.net>
> To: Mostafa <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com>
> Cc: acb-chat@acb.org
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
> message_about_Christmas.
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>
> See, everyone, this is with which I find fault!! ? Many listers defend
> Mostafa for posting his beliefs.? Stomping on another's does not fall
> under sharing your own beliefs!!? I resent this, Mostafa.? You're free to
> state why you follow Allah and practice Islam, but you are not free to
> bash that which I believe and then proclaim you wish peace !!
>
>
>
> I, as a Catholic Christian have NEVER disputed your beliefs, and I'm
> requesting that you stop doing that to my faith!!
>
>
>
> While you're wishing blessings upon all, t he things you sneak in here,
> are the very reason there are such divisions, conflicts and wars!! ? I've
> not desecrated your religion, and I'm asking you to stop doing it to
> mine!!
>
>
>
> I hope others?understand my views...that this has *nothing* to do with
> religious freedom, or freedom of speech.? It has to do with respect! ?
> There's no reason for anyone to pick apart what others believe, and I'm
> very upset at Mostafa's apparent sheep's clothing, as he ensues in bashing
> others' faiths while spewing peace and blessings !!
>
>
>
> It saddens and upsets me that he does this, when I've not seen any
> Christian to that to him or his religion!!
>
>
>
> Gigi?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:42:23 PM
> Subject: Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
> message_about_Christmas.
>
>
> In the name of Allah, the gracious clement, the grand merciful. Dear all,
> upon you be peace and blessings. I hope you all are doing perfectly. On
> today's sentimental statement, we are formally proposing a respectful
> invitation to seek for?knowledge. I?distinctly apprehend about the radical
> confidentiality?of this sensitive topical subject in particular.
> Therefore, I clearly am stating,?it is not?a proselytizing assertion for
> anyone to depart his faith or disengage his beliefs. It is emphatically
> not what we have intended.?Our main purpose is to give our minds and
> intellectual?means?a significant?opportunity to think and learn
> simultaneously. We absolutely are?not attempting to jeopardize someone's
> religious identity,?offend, or inflame someone's faithful testimony ?by
> any?manner. We sincerely respect all what you believe in. We just are
> appealing your sense of consistency and firm rationality. I love Christmas
> time. Christmas is when people exchange visiting each other, shari
> ng gifts with each other. Oh how lovely. Some?Christmas activities?have
> explicit ideals with Islamic concepts. Islam eminently prescribes to
> warmly observe the kinship ties, and to constantly maintain them
> colligated properly. Furthermore,?Islam tremendously?encourages exchanging
> presents?with each other?to have our love and compassion to each
> other?increased and to perpetually extend our family relations and social
> ties.?These are major factors which Islam and Christianity shares
> altogether.?Why not while?they both?are initially?derived from the similar
> essence and entity, and that's God Almighty, glory be to Him. We would
> kindly ask you to read the attached written transcript quite carefully.
> And then, you may fathom a bit further about our intention and aim. We
> wish you all a pleasant Christmas celebration, and a blessed
> satisfaction?of spending vacation?time with your friends and family. Marry
> Christmas.?Your Muslim friend,?Mostafa. Peace and blessings be upon
> you.??????
> ?????????????????????
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> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:36:31 -0600
> From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric@pmpmail.com>
> To: acb-chat@acb.org
> Subject: [acb-chat] FW: [thefamilyoffaith] JC One-Liner
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> I wish Mr. Christopher on acb-chat; maybe this is the answer Gigi, you're
> looking in these ignorant, Islamic attacks?
>
>
> Original Message:
> From: RedeemdThruJesus@AOL.com
> To:
> Subject: [thefamilyoffaith] JC One-Liner
> Date:
> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:15:28 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To attain  wisdom
> One must first practice  humility
> John  Christopher
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:37:32 -0600
> From: "Eric Calhoun" <eric@pmpmail.com>
> To: acb-chat@acb.org
> Subject: [acb-chat] FW: [PnaiOr-Phila] Hey Hey, NRA, How many kids did
> you kill today?
> Message-ID: <6C.48.04952.C8C9BC05@sl-mta05>
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>
>
> Original Message:
> From: Rabbi Arthur Waskow <awaskow@theshalomcenter.org>
> To: NHC <nhc-discuss@havurah.org>, Mishkan Shalom
> <mishkan@yahoogroups.com>, P'nai Or <PnaiOr-Philadelphia@yahoogroups.com>,
> ALEPH member list <Aleph-Pnai-Or@yahoogroups.com>, Ohalah list
> <ohalah-list@clergy.ohalah.org>, Interfaith Witness
> <interfaithwitness@forusa.org>
> Subject: [PnaiOr-Phila] Hey Hey, NRA, How many kids did you kill today?
> Date:
> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:19:36 -0500
>
> Hey Hey, NRA, How many kids did you kill today?
>
> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
>
> Plus 9 grown-ups. Teachers, mostly.
>
> These numbers red for the bloodshed of today.
>
> Hey Hey, NRA, How many kids did you kill today?
>
> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
>
> I don't yet have the names of those children or their teachers yet. But
> we
> do know who is responsible for corrupting our political system so that it
> tolerates the killing of children: the NRA.
>
> One thing that needs to happen now: Determined gatherings at the NRA HQ
> in
> Fairfax, Virginia, just across the Potomac from Washington DC
>
> Gatherings utterly committed to nonviolence, which the NRA is not --
>
> Sitting down, sitting in, chanting the names of those 18 children over
> and
> over again, interspersed with the chant above (resurrected from the
> nonviolent campaign  against the Vietnam War, which pointlessly killed
> 50,000 Americans and a million Vietnamese)
>
> Risking arrest -- DEMANDING that the NRA publicly and clearly abandon and
> reverse its opposition to a Federal comprehensive gun-control law.
>
> And WARNING every member of Congress that any one of them who accepts any
> campaign contributions or lobbyist perks from the NRA will be confronted
> with serious cash donations to his or her opponent.
>
> The NRA has corrupted American culture. It must return to the service of
> real hunters, or get out of business.
>
> May the light we light in the dark time of the year light our path to
> begin
> sweeping violence out of our homes, our schools, our country.
>
> "Not by might, and not by violence, but by My Spirit, My Breath, My Wind,
> My
> Hurricane of social change, says YHWH, YyyyHhhhWwwwHhhh, the
> Breathing-Spirit of all life."  (The quotation is from the Prophetic
> passage
> from Zechariah 4:6, read this very Shabbat, in the midst of the Festival
> of
> Light in the time of Dark.)
>
> Please share this letter with your friends, congregants, co-workers.
>
> With blessings that we make REAL shalom, salaam, pax, paz, peace! --
> Arthur
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:01:10 -0800
> From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett@dslextreme.com>
> To: "'General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a
> widerange of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
> whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is afree form discussion
> list.'" <acb-chat@acb.org>
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] FW: Fw: No Tax Hikes - Period!
> Message-ID: <E3A8EC26E9B44E30A2E5AA2A2FA8D2EA@ClaudeEverett>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> To much is given, much is expected back.
>
>
> Claude Everett
> "First of all:  what is work?
> Work is of two kinds:
>  first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface
> relatively to other such matter;
> second, telling other people to do so.
>  The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant and
> highly paid."
>>From The collection of essays "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand Russell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acb-chat-bounces@acb.org [mailto:acb-chat-bounces@acb.org] On Behalf
> Of Eric Calhoun
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:10 AM
> To: acb-chat@acb.org
> Subject: [acb-chat] FW: Fw: No Tax Hikes - Period!
>
> No tax hikes period?  What are your thoughts question mark?
>
>
> Original Message:
> From: "Liz S." <lizs@randpacusa.com>
> To: Eric Calhoun <eric@pmpmail.com>
> Subject: Fw: No Tax Hikes - Period!
> Date:
> Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:27:57 -0800
>
>
>
> Eric,
>
> Establishment Republicans in Washington are scheming to ram massive new
> tax
> hikes into law as part of a so-called "compromise" with President Obama.
>
> And they're purging fiscal conservatives from committee assignments in an
> attempt to force Republicans to fall in line.
>
> Senator Rand Paul is mobilizing millions of constitutional conservatives
> to
> turn up the heat on Congress to oppose any attempt to raise taxes -
> whether
> offered by Democrats or Republicans.
>
> So please take a moment to read Senator Paul's email below, and be sure to
> sign your No Tax Hikes Petition IMMEDIATELY!
> http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/10607071:14011820418:m:3:290093
> 722:A9B543EE4CE33913BB77639CBF4FAAFF:r
>
> In liberty,
>
> Liz S.
>
>
> Dear Liz,
>
> By now I'm sure you've heard the talk about the fast-approaching "fiscal
> cliff."
>
> And if you listen to Washington insiders, the media elite and the big
> spenders on Capitol Hill - the only solution is massive tax hikes on the
> American people.
>
> Even some of my Republican colleagues are "warming up" to the idea of
> hiking
> taxes as a "solution" to our economic problems.
>
> But the truth is, we don't have a revenue problem in Washington.
> We have a spending problem.
>
> And the tax hikes being talked about by the big spenders in Washington are
> sure to send our economy into a tailspin!
>
> That's why I'm counting on you to sign your No Tax Hikes petition
> IMMEDIATELY.
> http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/10607071:14011820418:m:3:290093
> 722:A9B543EE4CE33913BB77639CBF4FAAFF:r
>
> Like most conservatives, I understand a tax hike would unquestionably make
> things worse.
>
> The last message you and I should be sending Washington is that it needs
> more money. I don't want the government to have more revenue.
>
> I want YOU to have more money in your pockets. Money YOU earned.
>
>
> When I was first elected in 2010, I made a pledge to the good folks of
> Kentucky that I would never vote to hike taxes.
>
> And as a man of my word, a pledge is not something I'm going to go back
> on.
>
> Instead, I'm going to lead the fight to cut spending and stop any new tax
> hikes the big spenders try to ram through Congress.
>
> I'm sure you agree the solution to our economic problems isn't higher
> taxes
> on hard-working Americans.
>
> The solution is for my fellow Republicans to stand up unashamedly
> in the fight against any attempt to raise our taxes.
>
>
> Can I count on you to stand with me by signing your No Tax Hikes
> petition right away?
>
> As I'm sure you remember, last year we had a huge controversy over raising
> the debt ceiling.
>
> Eventually, a "compromise" that automatic cuts that would take place if a
> special "Super Committee" failed to cut spending was reached.
>
> Guess what? They failed.
>
> Not only did the committee fail to find cuts - they now want to get rid of
> the automatic cuts, jack up our taxes and raise the debt ceiling again.
>
> This is insanity!
>
> Unfortunately, many of my Republican colleagues are dropping like flies.
>
> House Speaker John Boehner offered Barack Obama a "compromise" to hike
> taxes
> by a staggering $800 BILLION.
>
> And my dad tells me the entire House is in disarray. I know the sessions
> and
> meetings I've witnessed in the Senate give me more fear than hope.
>
> That's why it's never been more important constitutional conservatives
> like
> you stand up and demand Congress oppose any new tax increases.
>
> So please, sign your No Tax Hikes petition right away.
>
> My goal is to circulate your petition - along with hundreds of thousands
> of
> others - to members of Congress to put them on notice that the American
> people are tired of the big government, big spending status quo in
> Washington.
>
> And along with your No Tax Hikes petition, I hope I can count on you to
> make
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>
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>
> Of course, you and I certainly have our work cut out for us. The recent
> election proved this to be truer than ever.
>
> But I'm confident that together you and I can stop the Big Government, big
> spending establishment in Washington from passing new tax hikes.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Senator Rand Paul
>
> P.S. After being defeated in the recent elections, many establishment
> Republicans are talking about caving in to the
> Democrats' demands for massive tax hikes.
>
>
> You and I must stop this madness by standing firm for our
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>
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