My dear Mostafa; listen up!

My dear Mostafa,

Just a word of advice from an old battle scarred warrior.  Please say whatever you feel is on your heart to say.  People will find value or fault in your words as they are inclined to do.  But please stop trying to then tell us what it was that you said, and that you tried to say it nicely. 

Remember, you are talking to a people of many Faiths and wide ranging Beliefs.  Most of us will not agree with you.  A few will. 

You must understand that your Beliefs and your observations will be met by opposition.  People feel deeply about their Beliefs and their particular God.  They might debate the weather with you in a friendly way, but step on their deeply ingrained beliefs and they will take your skin off with the fire in their breath. 

So just say what you mean and let the folks tell you what they think.  Your posts certainly do stir up discussion, everything from thoughtful observations to hurt feelings.  I find much to learn from this exchange.  Your Faith and your customs do not move me to want to embrace them, even as mine do not appeal to you.  But your beliefs do not offend me.  I am enjoying learning a little about how one Egyptian Muslim young man sees the world. 

 

Carl Jarvis

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mostafa Al'mahdy

To: acb-chat@acb.org

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [acb-chat] acb-chat Digest, Vol 21, Issue 267

Dear all, upon you be peace and blessings. I am not sure where my message
was offensive? I didn't come up with something I didn't know. And I didn't
assault anyone's faith. I have been studying Christian theology for four
years now, and my message was adhering to the principles of courtesy and
civility. I clearly stated that I respect someone's faith, and I just liked
to share my informative standpoint. I wished everyone a pleasant holiday
celebrations, and I said Marry Christmas. We may possibly compare my post
below to a message that was sent   to me two weeks ago, and let us
intelligibly determine who was enormously offensive and remarked by high
profanity that deserved to be reported to list moderator.
 Well anyways, I am sorry if my message unexpectedly caused inconvenience.
Marry Christmas. Mostafa. Peace and blessings be upon you.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:00:44 -0600
> From: "R. E. Driscoll Sr" <llocsirdsr@att.net>
> To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
> range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
> whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion
> list." <acb-chat@acb.org>
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
> message_about_Christmas.
> Message-ID: <50CBE7DC.8060106@att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> Perhaps you, who are getting messages from Mustafa, and who simply
> delete the messages should take up the cudgel and send his message back
> to him!  I am still simply deleting the messages but am considering
> returning them.
> On 12/14/2012 6:10 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Gigi,
>> This is why I discuss religion with Christians more. I did not like
>> Mostafa's post either.
>> I simply delete or read and not reply to such offensive material. I am
>> a protestant Christian and I believe that God  is in three faces:
>> father, son and holy ghost.
>> I feel the same as you do that each religion should not be
>> bashed on list.
>> Lets discuss something nice like holidays we celebrate.
>> And that is wonderful you sing  in a choir at church.
>> God says we should raise our voices and make a joyful noise to him.
>> Ashley
>> *From:* Gigi <mailto:cjm0806@comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 4:22 PM
>> *To:* Mostafa <mailto:mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* acb-chat@acb.org <mailto:acb-chat@acb.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [acb-chat] Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And
>> a message_about_Christmas.
>>
>> See, everyone, this is with which I find fault!!  Many listers defend
>> Mostafa for posting his beliefs. Stomping on another's does not fall
>> under sharing your own beliefs!!  I resent this, Mostafa.  You're free
>> to state why you follow Allah and practice Islam, but you are not free
>> to bash that which I believe and then proclaim you wish peace!!
>>
>> I, as a Catholic Christian have NEVER disputed your beliefs, and I'm
>> requesting that you stop doing that to my faith!!
>>
>> While you're wishing blessings upon all, the things you sneak in here,
>> are the very reason there are such divisions, conflicts and wars!!
>> I've not desecrated your religion, and I'm asking you to stop doing it
>> to mine!!
>>
>> I hope others understand my views...that this has *nothing* to do with
>> religious freedom, or freedom of speech.  It has to do with respect!
>> There's no reason for anyone to pick apart what others believe, and
>> I'm very upset at Mostafa's apparent sheep's clothing, as he ensues in
>> bashing others' faiths while spewing peace and blessings!!
>>
>> It saddens and upsets me that he does this, when I've not seen any
>> Christian to that to him or his religion!!
>>
>> Gigi
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Friday, December 14, 2012 2:42:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
>> message_about_Christmas.
>>
>> *In the name of Allah, the gracious clement, the grand merciful. Dear
>> all, upon you be peace and blessings. I hope you all are doing
>> perfectly. On today's sentimental statement, we are formally proposing
>> a respectful invitation to seek for knowledge. I distinctly apprehend
>> about the radical confidentiality of this sensitive topical subject in
>> particular. Therefore, I clearly am stating, it is not a proselytizing
>> assertion for anyone to depart his faith or disengage his beliefs. It
>> is emphatically not what we have intended. Our main purpose is to give
>> our minds and intellectual means a significant opportunity to think
>> and learn simultaneously. We absolutely are not attempting to
>> jeopardize someone's religious identity, offend, or inflame someone's
>> faithful testimony  by any manner. We sincerely respect all what you
>> believe in. We just are appealing your sense of consistency and firm
>> rationality. I love Christmas time. Christmas is when people exchange
>> visiting each other, sharing gifts with each other. Oh how lovely.
>> Some Christmas activities have explicit ideals with Islamic concepts.
>> Islam eminently prescribes to warmly observe the kinship ties, and to
>> constantly maintain them colligated properly. Furthermore, Islam
>> tremendously encourages exchanging presents with each other to have
>> our love and compassion to each other increased and to perpetually
>> extend our family relations and social ties. These are major factors
>> which Islam and Christianity shares altogether. Why not while they
>> both are initially derived from the similar essence and entity, and
>> that's God Almighty, glory be to Him. We would kindly ask you to read
>> the attached written transcript quite carefully. And then, you may
>> fathom a bit further about our intention and aim. We wish you all a
>> pleasant Christmas celebration, and a blessed satisfaction of spending
>> vacation time with your friends and family. Marry Christmas. Your
>> Muslim friend, Mostafa. Peace and blessings be upon you. *
>>
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> From: Gigi <cjm0806@comcast.net>
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> Wonderful idea Dick...thank you!! ? Like returning junk mail so the sender
> has to pay the postage!!?
>
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> Thank you, thank you.?
>
>
>
> Gigi
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "R. E. Driscoll Sr" <llocsirdsr@att.net>
> To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
> range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or whatever
> comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion list."
> <acb-chat@acb.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:00:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And
> a????????message_about_Christmas.
>
> Perhaps you, who are getting messages from Mustafa, and who simply delete
> the messages should t ake up the cudge l and send his message back to
> him!? I am still simply delet ing the messages but am consider ing
> returning them.
>
> On 12/14/2012 6:10 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Gigi,
> This is why I discuss religion with Christians more. I did not like?
> Mostafa?s post either.
> I simply delete or read and not reply to such offensive material. I am a
> protestant Christian and I believe that God? is in three faces: father,
> son and holy ghost.
> I feel the same as you do that each religion should not be
> bashed on list.
> Lets discuss something nice like holidays we celebrate.
> And that is wonderful you sing? in a choir at church.
> God says we should raise our voices and make a joyful noise to him.
> ?
> Ashley
> ?
>
>
> ?
>
> From: Gigi
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 4:22 PM
> To: Mostafa
> Cc: acb-chat@acb.org
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
> message_about_Christmas.
> ?
>
>
>
> See, everyone, this is with which I find fault!!? Many listers defend
> Mostafa for posting his beliefs.? Stomping on another's does not fall
> under sharing your own beliefs!!? I resent this, Mostafa.? You're free to
> state why you follow Allah and practice Islam, but you are not free to
> bash that which I believe and then proclaim you wish peace!!
>
> ?
>
> I, as a Catholic Christian have NEVER disputed your beliefs, and I'm
> requesting that you stop doing that to my faith!!
>
> ?
>
> While you're wishing blessings upon all, the things you sneak in here, are
> the very reason there are such divisions, conflicts and wars!!? I've not
> desecrated your religion, and I'm asking you to stop doing it to mine!!
>
> ?
>
> I hope others understand my views...that this has *nothing* to do with
> religious freedom, or freedom of speech.? It has to do with respect!?
> There's no reason for anyone to pick apart what others believe, and I'm
> very upset at Mostafa's apparent sheep's clothing, as he ensues in bashing
> others' faiths while spewing peace and blessings!!
>
> ?
>
> It saddens and upsets me that he does this, when I've not seen any
> Christian to that to him or his religion!!
>
> ?
>
> Gigi?
>
> ?
>
>
> ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:42:23 PM
> Subject: Top_10_Reasons_why_Jesus_cannot_be_God. And a
> message_about_Christmas.
>
>
> In the name of Allah, the gracious clement, the grand merciful. Dear all,
> upon you be peace and blessings. I hope you all are doing perfectly. On
> today's sentimental statement, we are formally proposing a respectful
> invitation to seek for knowledge. I distinctly apprehend about the radical
> confidentiality of this sensitive topical subject in particular.
> Therefore, I clearly am stating, it is not a proselytizing assertion for
> anyone to depart his faith or disengage his beliefs. It is emphatically
> not what we have intended. Our main purpose is to give our minds and
> intellectual means a significant opportunity to think and learn
> simultaneously. We absolutely are not attempting to jeopardize someone's
> religious identity, offend, or inflame someone's faithful testimony? by
> any manner. We sincerely respect all what you believe in. We just are
> appealing your sense of consistency and firm rationality. I love Christmas
> time. Christmas is when people exchange visiting each other, shari
> ng gifts with each other. Oh how lovely. Some Christmas activities have
> explicit ideals with Islamic concepts. Islam eminently prescribes to
> warmly observe the kinship ties, and to constantly maintain them
> colligated properly. Furthermore, Islam tremendously encourages exchanging
> presents with each other to have our love and compassion to each other
> increased and to perpetually extend our family relations and social ties.
> These are major factors which Islam and Christianity shares altogether.
> Why not while they both are initially derived from the similar essence and
> entity, and that's God Almighty, glory be to Him. We would kindly ask you
> to read the attached written transcript quite carefully. And then, you may
> fathom a bit further about our intention and aim. We wish you all a
> pleasant Christmas celebration, and a blessed satisfaction of spending
> vacation time with your friends and family. Marry Christmas. Your Muslim
> friend, Mostafa. Peace and blessings be upon you.??????
> ????????????????????
>
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