What if women wrote the Scriptures?

What if Women Wrote the Scriptures? 

 

Here's my question.  If women had written the Scriptures, would God/Allah/Jehovah still have demanded that women accused of adultery be the ones stoned to death?  Or would we find that God/Allah/Jehovah would say it should be the man? 

 

Carl Jarvis

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It is the religion that allows  women be stoned for adultry while men go
unpunished. Thanks, but no thanks.

p.s. and if it doesn't work that way, I apologize, but I've read numerous
accounts of this unequal behavior to believe it is just one reporter making
things up.


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In the name of Allah, the gracious beneficent, the grand merciful. Dear all,
upon you be peace and blessings. Man is a social being by nature. He cannot
live perpetually on his own, completely independent of others. People are
interdependent. Consequently, friction arise between them when their
personal interests come into conflict with each other, or when what they
perceive as their individual rights infringe upon those of others. Conflicts
between them inevitably break out. In some cases, one party to the conflict
might be strong and radically aggressive,while the other is weak and
condescending, incapable of defending his rights.
Because of this, it becomes necessary for there to be a way to prevent
people from oppressing one another, to ensure that the weaker members of
society receive justice, and to determine right from wrong when issues get
complicated or uncertain. This can only be realized through a judge that has
the power to give legal verdicts in cases of dispute.

For this reason, we find that the existence of a judge is considered by
Islamic law and the laws of all the other revealed religions to be both a
religious obligation and a necessity of human life. Allah says:

  We have sent Messengers with clear proofs, and sent down with them the
Scripture and the Balance that mankind can establish justice.

Islam - the religion that Allah wants for mankind from the time that He sent
Muhammad (may he peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) until the Day of
Judgment - shows great concern for the judicial system and those appointed
to carry out its responsibilities. Islam prescribes for it many legal
injunctions. How else could it be, when Islam is the religion of mercy,
equality, and justice? It is the religion that comes to free people from
worshipping Creation and bring them to the worship of Allah. It is the
religion that comes to remove people from oppression and iniquity and bring
them to the highest degree of justice and freedom.

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was the greatest of judges. He used to
act in the capacity of judge in the city of Madinah, which was the first
Islamic state. He used to appoint people to be judges in other cities. Among
these were `Utâb b. Asyad who was sent to Mecca, `Alî b. Abî Tâlib and
Mu`âdh b. Jabal, both of whom were sent to Yemen.



In the era of the Rightly Guided Caliphs, the head of state continued to be
the one to appoint judges, govern their affairs, protect their independence,
and keep the governors and political appointees - and even the Caliphs -
subject to the judges' verdicts. `Umar b. al-Khattâb, the second Caliph, was
the first person to make the judge an independent entity, distinct from the
Caliph and the governors.

In this way, the judicial system continued to evolve throughout the early
Islamic era, during the Umayyad era, and well into the Abbasid era. The
office of Chief Justice came into being at this time. The Chief Justice
became responsible for appointing and removing judges. He was responsible
for supervising their behavior and monitoring their performance. The first
person to be appointed to this post was the justice Abû Yûsuf, the student
of the great jurist Abû Hanîfah (may Allah have mercy on them both).
Thereafter, this office became widespread throughout the Muslim lands. It
continued to exist up to the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

The names of many just judges have been preserved in Islamic History. Their
names have become like synonyms for justice and integrity. Many pages in the
history books are devoted to the lives and careers of eminent judges like
Iyâs b. Mu`âwiyah, Shurayh b. `Abd Allah, al-`Izz b. `Abd al-Salâm and
others who applied the teachings of Islam in the best possible manner. They
give us a living example of how a Muslim judge is supposed to conduct
himself.

We should mention, since we are discussing the Islamic judicial system, that
Islam sets down broad guidelines and basic principles concerning the affairs
of life and rarely concerns itself with the particular details of life. This
is so these guidelines can stay relevant for every time and place. One of
these guidelines is that establishing justice among people is an obligation
that has to be carried out. As for the manner of achieving this objective,
this has not been detailed by the sacred scriptures. This has been left for
the people of each generation to deal with in a way most suited to their
unique set of circumstances. The only condition is that whatever methods are
chosen must not run contrary to Islamic Law.

In the pages that follow, we shall present the most important elements of
the Islamic judicial system.

Defining the Judicial System and its Legal basis The judicial system in
Islam is a system for deciding between people in litigation with the aim of
settling their disputes in accordance with the injunctions of the Divine
Law, injunctions that are taken from the Quran and Sunnah.

All of the Messengers of Allah (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon
them) acted as judges. Allah says:

  And remember David and Solomon, when they gave judgment concerning the
field when people's sheep had browsed therein at night, and We were witness
to their judgment. And We made Solomon to understand the case. And to each
of them We gave good judgment and knowledge.

Allah also says:

  O David, verily we have placed you as a vicegerent on Earth, so judge
between people in truth, and do not follow your desires for it will mislead
you from the path of Allah. Verily, those who stray from the path of Allah
have a severe punishment because they forgot the day of reckoning.

Prophet Muhammad (peace and be upon him), who came with the final and
eternal Message, was ordered by Allah to pass judgment in disputes just as
he was ordered to spread the word of Allah and call people to Islam. This is
mentioned in the Quran in a number of places. Allah says, for instance:

  - So judge (O Muhammad) between them by what Allah has revealed and do not
follow their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you away from
some of what Allah has sent down to you.

  - And if you judge (O Muhammad), judge between them with justice. Verily,
Allah loves those who act justly.

  -But no, by your Lord, they shall have no faith until they make you (O
Muhammad) judge in all their disputes and find in themselves no resistance
against your decisions and accept them with full submission.

The Sunnah also provides for the legal basis of the Islamic judicial system.
It is related by `Amr b. al-`As (may Allah be pleased with him) that the
Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If a judge gives a judgment using his
best judgment and is correct, then he receives a double reward (from Allah).
If he uses his best judgment but makes a mistake, then he receives a single
reward."

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: "You should not wish to be like
other people, except in two cases: a man who Allah has given wealth and he
spends it on Truth and another who Allah has granted wisdom and he gives
verdicts on its basis and teaches others."

Many scholars have related to us that there is consensus among Muslims on
the legal status of the judicial system in Islam. Ibn Qudâmah says: "The
Muslims are unanimously agreed that a judicial system must be established
for the people."

A judicial system is a necessity for the prosperity and development of
nations. It is needed to secure human happiness, protect the rights of the
oppressed, and restrain the oppressor. It is the way to resolve disputes and
ensure human rights. It facilitates enjoining what is right, forbidding what
is wrong, and curbing immoral behavior. In this way, a just social order can
be enjoyed by all sectors of society, and every individual can feel secure
in his life, property, honor, and liberty. In this environment, nations can
progress, civilization can be achieved, and people are free to pursue what
will better them both spiritually and materially.

Oppression is an unfortunate human characteristic. If people were completely
just, judges would never work and would have no purpose.

The Islamic Ruling Concerning the Judiciary The jurists agree that the
duties of the judge are an obligation that must be carried out by society.
If some members of society carry out this duty, it is sufficient for
everyone. If, on the other hand, everyone neglects it, then everyone in
society is sinful.

The proof that these duties are obligatory comes from the Quran:

  O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice.

It is only necessary for a small number of individuals to perform judicial
duties since judicial concerns come under the broad duty of enjoining what
is right and forbidding what is wrong. It is not obligatory for every
individual to carry out this duty as long as some people are doing so.

The affairs of the people will not be correct and upright without a judicial
system. It is, consequently, obligatory for one to exist, just like it is
necessary to have a military. Ahmad said: "People have to have a judicial
authority or their rights will disappear."

The duties of the judiciary include enjoining what is right, helping the
oppressed, securing people's rights, and keeping oppressive behavior in
check. None of these duties can be performed without the appointment of a
judiciary.

Consequently, their appointment is obligatory on the basis of the following
juristic principle: "Whatever is needed for a legal obligation to be carried
out is also obligatory."

This is the general ruling regarding the judiciary. On the individual level,
the ruling may differ, depending on the individual's circumstances. It is
obligatory for a person who is capable of performing these duties to do so
when there is no one else available who is adequate. Now, I may consistently
ask you a question; who thoroughly fathoms about Islamic judicial system and
legislation? I emphatically do, someone proclaims. Well, that's excellent.
Please, you may authentically refer to the Islamic juristic books you read.
How many book have you read on the subject? For how long you have been
studying (Islamic law) Or sharia. As some western sources may refer to it
either seriously, or sarcastically as Shariah. Please tell me, where have
you been studying the subject, before you open your mouth. It's enormously
dignified if someone refrains of speaking about what he doesn't know. Our
sentimental statement essentially aims to repose the genuine apprehension
about this particular concept, Islamic legal system. It is the system which
has settled rights and limits for everyone. It's part of the fun to know
that Islam is the legal system which tells women to dress modestly when they
hang out to chiefly guard themselves from present of men. So they can't
stare evilly at them. You may ask any female whom you know about what she
prefers, either to have her body being gazed at, or she may rather preserve
it. Preciously veiled, unless for her legitimate spouse. I virtually have a
clue about what the majority will instantly choose. Am I fairly right
ladies?
       I recall that I asked my fiance about what she used to feel before
she wears Hijab versus what she feels right now.
Well, here is her own pronounced testimonial.
"Before I wear Hijab, people used to behave quite presumably towards me. One
of my colleagues had stepped in into my office to show me a picture of his
girlfriend swimming with guys, having fun as they physically hold her up.
After I wore Hijab, they clearly and upfront had to be very careful on how
they behave with me. Hijab signifys the notion of remotely controling men
stares." These are her very own words. Is that too bad folks?
Islamic Judicial system is broadly wide, it is eruditely substantial and
tremendous. I highly recommend that we may study it properly. It is a
perfectly systemized legislative arrangement that reutilizes its flexibility
to the sufficient paramount. It's not a very good idea that some of us may
deliberately misquote its contexts to viciously mislead the masses. Islam
presents decisive solutions for the various crisis and asperities we suffer
from nowadays. Islam permits business and trades, and it prohibits the
usury. You may feel free to ask any competent economist about the chief
cause of gravely strangling our current financial system. My fiance is an
accountant, and she tends to conform to me, "If the global financial system
would give up dealing with interest tomorrow, I promise you that all the
financial crisis will immediately disappear." Islamic legislative system has
excellently provided guideline juristic principles that clearly
distinguishes between what's right, and what's wrong.






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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:55:33 -0800
> From: Chris Coulter <forestelf1@comcast.net>
> To: "General discussion list for ACB members and friends where a wide
> range of topics from blindness to politics, issues of the day or
> whatever comes to mind are welcome. This is a free form discussion
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> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] FW: [Christians_Today] a christmas funny fast
> food
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> Eric, this is funny but I'm concerned. I think every E-mail address in
> your address book is at the top of this message. At least my reply is
> only going to one place but there shouldn't be all of these E-mail
> addresses before the message starts.
> Chris
> On Dec 6, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Eric Calhoun wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> From: "raymond lombardi" <ray214@gmail.com>
>> To: "Angel Murphy" <angel.murphy83@gmail.com>, "Ann Harrison"
>> <annwrites75@gmail.com>, "Laddie Whitecomb" <laddandjudy@att.net>,
>> "Kim
>> lombardi" <lombardi214@msn.com>, "Chet Cox" <chetcox9@hotmail.com>,
>> "Deanna
>> Wats" <avril_evolution_ga@yahoo.com>, "Amber Fountain"
>> <amberfountain@hotmail.com>, "Jessica Smith" <jess.s.smith@gmail.com>,
>> "Maisie Aldridge" <maisiealaina@gmail.com>, "Rochelle Lee"
>> <AnGelOfGab3@yahoo.com>, "Fay" <fmkc@kc.rr.com>, "Lori Dent"
>> <loriandleo@ohiohills.com>, "Mike and Jean" <mjs1981@sc.rr.com>,
>> "Stephanie
>> Mahan" <stephanie0521@bellsouth.net>, "Stephanie Byington"
>> <slbyington@valdosta.edu>, "Lisa Cakes" <lisacakes@bellaliant.net>,
>> "Stephanie Mimbs" <stephanie.mimbs@yahoo.com>, "Tracy"
>> <tracyrector@nwcable.net>, "Maggie McCampbell"
>> <maggiemccampbell@gmail.com>, "Lindsey Adams" <cowgirladams@bellsouth.net
>> >,
>> "Susan Wats" <idrinkcoke1981@yahoo.com>, "Lois Simmons"
>> <las1943@vmmanor.org>, "Nuris Coronado" <nurisjc@gmail.com>, "Michael
>> Helton" <cybereye26@yahoo.com>, <SeasonsChat@yahoogroups.com>,
>> <Marys-Island@yahoogroups.com>, "Ren Weimann" <raweimann@gmail.com>,
>> "Julie" <jjchephonette@yahoo.com>, "LeAnne"
>> <little-princess72@earthlink.net>, "Amanda Shevitski"
>> <amanda.shevitski@gmail.com>, "Natalie Holton"
>> <natalie.m.holton@gmail.com>, "Alyssa Jolley" <alyssajolley@comcast.net
>> >,
>> "Nandi Walton" <nandi.walton@gmail.com>, "Bob and Denise Boehner"
>> <dlboehner@samobile.net>, "Kayla Mattox" <kayla.mattox@cox.net>,
>> "Cheryl
>> Weaver" <weaver_cheryl@yahoo.com>, "Pam Bilton" <pbilton@comcast.net>,
>> "Karron Lovell" <kolovell@windstream.net>, "Pam Owens"
>> <pambasile1951@gmail.com>, "Katie Peeples"
>> <katie.peeples@hcahealthcare.com>, <Christians_Today@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Angelia Jelks" <jassibre@yahoo.com>, "Beth" <thebluesisloose@gmail.com
>> >,
>> "Tracy Duffy" <tracyduffy@nc.rr.com>, "Nancy Anddel"
>> <nancyanddel@comcast.net>, "Natalie" <nrorrell@qwest.net>, "family"
>> <bhwm@yahoogroups.com>, "Brooke Conner" <ugalover21@gmail.com>,
>> "Jennifer
>> Sumner" <han_sumner@yahoo.com>, "Ashley Holt" <ajholt@knology.net>,
>> "Richard Hilbun" <richilbun@yahoo.com>, "Rachel Towery"
>> <rtowery@bellsouth.net>, "Jessabelle Shaminka"
>> <princessjessabelle@gmail.com>, "LeeAnn anderson" <leeanna333@gmail.com
>> >,
>> "Felicia Williams" <fswilliams049@aol.com>, "Jennifer"
>> <music334@bigpond.net.au>, "Musiclady" <naturelovingmom@gmail.com>,
>> <joyred16@aol.com>, "Brittany Storch" <bstorch@rocketmail.com>,
>> "Caitlin
>> Harron" <queenmongole0209@gmail.com>, "Erinn Snoeyink"
>> <erinnpwns@gmail.com>, "Sandra Heaton" <sandra@sandras-place.co.uk>,
>> "Jeannie Nora" <jeannienora@yahoo.com>, "Jenna Futch"
>> <surfergirl_jenna@yahoo.com>, "Sabrina Markel"
>> <lightoller34@gmail.com>,
>> "Audrey" <audreymagoo@gmail.com>, "Barbra Hooks" <bjhooks64@msn.com>,
>> "Conway Jones" <fjones7264@gmail.com>, "Heather Roque"
>> <cowboicheerleader@yahoo.com>, "Susan Yarbrough"
>> <susan.e.yarbrough@gmail.com>, "Pam Prim"
>> <pamprim46@centurylink.net>, "HG
>> Ridgdill" <gridgdill@yahoo.com>, "Sam Behar" <sambehar@gmail.com>,
>> "Curt
>> Grimm" <kcgrimm@bellsouth.net>, "Alice" <dw83024@windstream.net>,
>> "George
>> Broadway" <gmbway@att.net>, "Kayla Gunn" <kayla.gunn2010@gmail.com>,
>> "Bonnie M Ainsworth" <bainsworth65@windstream.net>, "Heather Hanson"
>> <tasrider@hotmail.com>, "Lisa Byrd" <lisahbyrd@hotmail.com>, "Kim
>> lombardi"
>> <lombardi214@msn.com>, "Titiona Cameron" <tajcicameron@gmail.com>,
>> "Reeva
>> Parry" <k8dmu@wi.rr.com>, "Maheen" <maheenthecountrymanw@gmail.com>,
>> "Sarah
>> Mellor" <sarah_mellor@btinternet.com>, "Carla Holton"
>> <hdfatboy1@planttel.net>, "Heather Galko" <hgalal@twcny.rr.com>,
>> "Zhanna
>> Kens" <zhanna@zhannakens.com>, "Georgene" <spideynpapabear@yahoo.com>,
>> "Jake McMahan" <jakemcmahan@bellsouth.net>, "Horace Lombardi"
>> <horace.lombardi@robins.af.mil>, "Tony Garret"
>> <sidney.garret@robins.af.mil>
>> Subject: [Christians_Today] a christmas funny fast food
>> Date:
>> Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:49:35 -0500
>>
>> THE TWELVE DAYS OF FAST FOOD
>>
>> On the first day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> A Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the second day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> and a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the third day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the fourth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the fifth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the sixth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the seventh day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Seven pints of cole slaw,
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the eighth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Eight bowls of chili,
>> Seven pints of cole slaw,
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the ninth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Nine polish hot dogs,
>> Eight bowls of chili,
>> Seven pints of cole slaw,
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the tenth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Ten baked potatoes,
>> Nine polish hot dogs,
>> Eight bowls of chili,
>> Seven pints of cole slaw,
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the eleventh day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Eleven pounds of blubber,
>> Ten baked potatoes,
>> Nine polish hot dogs,
>> Eight bowls of chili,
>> Seven pints of cole slaw,
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with cheese.
>>
>> On the twelfth day of Christmas,
>> My drive through gave to me:
>> Twelve bags of Pepto,
>> Eleven pounds of blubber,
>> Ten baked potatoes,
>> Nine polish hot dogs,
>> Eight bowls of chili,
>> Seven pints of cole slaw,
>> Six chocolate milkshakes,
>> Five onion rings,
>> Four Egg McMuffins,
>> Three Biggie Fries,
>> Two Happy Meals,
>> And a Big Bacon Classic with Cheese
>>
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> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 06:47:24 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Gigi <cjm0806@comcast.net>
> To: acb-chat@acb.org
> Subject: [acb-chat] Interesting Anti-Shariah--Another Viewpoint
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> This was passed along from Tommy Stern:? Bridgit te Gabriel, founder of
> ACT! For America, speaks out regarding ?anti-shariah, and, immigrants who
> embrace?our country as their very own, ?at Nashville--Interesting
> points--She reads excerpts directly from course booklet, about 15 minutes
> in length ?--Gigi :
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 07:00:01 -0800
> From: "Carl Jarvis" <carjar82@gmail.com>
> To: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy@gmail.com>, "General discussion list
> for ACB members and friends where a widerange of topics from blindness
> to politics, issues of the day or whatever comes to mind are welcome.
> This is afree form discussion list." <acb-chat@acb.org>,
> <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@mail2.acb.org>
> Subject: Re: [acb-chat] The Zionist connection to 9/11. The power of
> influence.Declining the newly proposed constitutional draft
> byPresident Morsy. And recounting the Zionist
> tale.jewsagainstzionism.org
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> Mostafa,
> I've sat on this post for some time because I had hoped to provide a
> balanced reply.  Time prevents me from doing my work and also digging into
> the files to drag out some counter information.  I would merely say that
> at
> times we all become swallowed up by our fears, and we go riding about
> fighting ghosts and Boogie Men.
> I believe that we are being ruled by a growing International Corporate
> Empire.  Within that Empire are many people of many backgrounds.
> But I would not single out one or another religion or nationality.  The
> Empire accepts any who support their Cause.  Their Cause is to totally
> dominate the Planet Earth.  We, the rest of humanity, do ourselves no
> favors
> by allowing ourselves to be directed against one another.
> You are an intelligent, inquisitive young man.  I hope that you constantly
> ask yourself if you are determining your own future, or if you are
> allowing
> yourself to be led...herded along, in order to serve the needs of others.
>
> Carl Jarvis
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Mostafa
>  To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@mail2.acb.org
>  Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 8:24 AM
>  Subject: [acb-chat] The Zionist connection to 9/11. The power of
> influence.Declining the newly proposed constitutional draft byPresident
> Morsy. And recounting the Zionist tale.jewsagainstzionism.org
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>  The purpose of posting the following is not necessarily to pay lip
> service
> to conspiracy theorists, but to shed light on the power and influence of
> Israel-firsters in the United States. Be prepared to be blown away:
>  Who leased the WTC only seven weeks before 9/11?
>  Larry Silverstein.
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>  Silverstein, a supposedly successful Jewish businessman, explained his
> decision to buy the towers for $3.2 billion USD on 24 July 2001 as: "I
> felt
> a compelling urge to own them." Odd.
>
>  Larry ate breakfast in the "Windows on the World" restaurant (located in
> North Tower 107th Floor) every single morning but, on 9/11, he never
> showed
> up. Supposedly, his wife had reminded him that he had had a "dermatology
> appointment". But his children, who worked at the WTC, were also absent.
>
>  Larry Silverstein scored more than $4.5 Billion in insurance money as a
> result of the destruction of his complex. Silverstein is personal friends
> with Zionist media head Rupert Murdoch and former Israeli president, Ariel
> Sharon, as well as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Silverstein
> was such good friends with Netanyahu that he would receive a phone call
> from
> him every Sunday.
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>  Who authorized the lease of the WTC complex to Silverstein?
>
>  Lewis Eisenberg --
>
>  Eisenberg, the Chairman of the New York Port Authority, was a large
> contributor to the Bush-Cheney presidential campaign. He is also a partner
> with the Jewish bank Goldman-Sachs. Eisenberg has been both a member of
> the
> Planning Board of the United Jewish Appeal, as well as the United Jewish
> Federation pro-Israeli government pressure group.
>
>  Frank Lowy. --
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>  Lowy is the owner of Westfield America. In May 2001, Westfield paid $127
> million USD for a 99-year lease on the retail area beneath the New York
> World Trade Center. Lowy was a member of the Golani Brigade, and fought in
> the Israeli war of independence. Before this he was a member of Hagganah,
> a
> Jewish militant organization.
>
>  Frank Lowy spends three months of the year at his home in Israel and has
> been described by the Sydney Morning Herald as "a self-made man with a
> strong interest in the Holocaust and Israeli politics." He funded and
> launched the Israeli Institute for National Strategy and Policy in Israel.
> He is also close friends with many top Israeli officials such as Ehud
> Olmert, Ariel Sharon, Bibi Netanyahu, and Ehud Barak. He was also
> implicated
> in an Israeli Bank Scandal with Olmert.
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>  All three men are high ranking Jews in the Anti-Defamation League and
> United Jewish Appeal!
>
>  Who pushed for the privatization of the WTC?
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>  Ronald S. Lauder --
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>  Lauder was on the Board of Directors of the NY Board of Privatization and
> has funded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel. In 2008, President
> George W. Bush appointed him to serve on the Honorary Delegation and
> brought
> him to Jerusalem for the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the State
> of
> Israel. Lauder was elected President of the World Jewish Congress on June
> 10, 2007. He has been active in the following organizations:
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>    a.. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations
>    b.. Jewish National Fund
>    c.. World Jewish Congress
>    d.. American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
>    e.. Anti-Defamation League
>    f.. Jewish Theological Seminary
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>  Were the security services of ICTS/Huntsleigh USA really so terrible that
> 19 suspicious-looking Arabs, some with terrible English, could waltz on
> board 4 different planes with various boxcutters, mace, and even a gun?!
>
>  Conveniently, a few hours before the Patriot Act was voted on, it was
> edited to make foreign companies which had been in charge of security on
> 9/11 immune to lawsuits. This would prevent American courts from demanding
> that ICTS provide testimony or hand over the surveillance videos from the
> airports.
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>  Who had the contract to run security at the WTC?
>
>
>  Jerome Hauer --
>
>  Hauer's mother, Rose Muscatine Hauer, is the retired Dean of the Beth
> Israel School of Nursing and the Honorary President of the New York
> Chapter
> of Hadassah, a Daughters of Zion movement for service to the State of
> Israel. Hauer told journalist Sander Hicks in a phone conversation that
> Silverstein hired a "private" security team on his WTC complex.
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>  Who was on board Flight 11, the first hijacked plane?
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>  Daniel Lewin --
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>  Lewin, an Israeli Jew, was a member of the special Israeli commando unit,
> the Sayeret Matkal, which specializes in "anti-hijack" takeovers and
> assassinations. Supposedly, Lewin got involved in a struggle with one of
> the
> hijackers. What are the odds that a Sayeret Matkal agent ends up on a
> hijacked flight - and is not somehow involved in the plan?
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>  Were Jews forewarned about the attacks?
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>  An Israeli instant messaging company, Odigo, admitted that two of its
> employees received instant messages warning of an impeding terrorist
> attack
> 2 hours prior to the first plane hitting the WTC. This warning was not
> passed on to authorities before the attack.
>
>  And just who owned Odigo? Another Israeli company known as Comverse. The
> Founder of Comverse (and CEO at the time) was Jacob "Kobi" Alexander, a
> dual
> Israeli-US citizen, with connections to Mossad.
>
>   He was charged with several counts of fraud, Alexander fled the U.S. in
> 2006. After he failed to return, his name landed on America's Most Wanted.
> In September 2006, he was hunted down in Namibia.
>
>  As for Odigo, it has a feature on its service that allows messages to be
> passed through a search feature based on nationality, such as Israeli.
>
>  Goldman Sachs Forewarned
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>  On Sep 10, 2001, the Tokyo branch of Goldman Sachs warned its American
> employees to steer clear of American buildings. Why?
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>  Israeli ZIM Integrated Shipping Services
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>  ZIM, an Israeli company, vacated its office (10,000 square feet) in the
> North WTC tower a few days before 9/11, breaking its lease. 49% of this
> company is owned by the Israeli government. The lease ran till the end of
> 2001, and the company lost $50,000 by breaking the lease.
>
>
>  Later, FBI agent Michael Dick, who was investigating Israeli spying
> before
> and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his
> duties by the head of the Justice Department's criminal division, Michael
> Chertoff (more.
>
>  "A measure of abnormal long put volume was also examined and seen to be
> at
> abnormally high levels in the days leading up to the attacks.
> Consequently,
> the paper concludes that there is evidence of unusual option market
> activity
> in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors
> trading on advance knowledge of the attacks."
>
>  - Allen M. Poteshman, The Journal of Business
>
>
>  Insurance companies saw anomalous trading activities as well. Citigroup
> Inc., which has estimated that its Travelers Insurance unit may pay $500
> million in claims from the World Trade Center attack, had about 45 times
> the
> normal volume during three trading days before the attack for options that
> profit if the stock falls below $40. Citigroup shares fell $1.25 in late
> trading to $38.09. Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors at the World
> Trade Cente
>
>  FBI, Secret Service, ATF, U.S. Customs, IRS, INS, EPA, Interior Dept.,
> U.S. Marshal's Service, various U.S. Attorneys Offices, Secret government
> offices, posing as law enforcement/intelligence officers. Most of the
> suspects served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance
> intercept
> and or explosive ordinance units.
>
>  Dozens of Israelis were arrested in American malls kiosks selling toys,
> acting as a front for a spying operation.
>
>  60 detained suspects worked for the Israeli company AMDOCS, which
> provides
> most directory assistance calls and almost call records and billings
> services for the U.S. by virtue of its contracts with the 25 largest
> telephone companies in the United States.r, experienced unusual pre-attack
> trading of options that profit when stock prices fall.
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>  Israeli espionage before and after 9/11:
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>  Shortly before 9/11, over 140 Israelis had been arrested for suspected
> espionage.
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>  Security at all three airports of alleged hijackings was in Zionist
> hands:
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>  Egypt's high court suspends sessions.
>   Egypt's judges say they won't supervise a referendum on the constitution
> in the latest salvo between supporters and opponents of President Mohamed
> Morsy.
>
>  Judges in Egypt refuse to oversee a 15 December vote on the country's new
> draft constitution,  as the opposition calls mass protests for Tuesday.
> The
> constitutional draft made by President Morsy has reflected and imposed
> massive conscription on the vast majority of the nation. Egyptians are
> willing to arrange for massive protests on Tuesday. Of course, they will
> all
> be gathered on liberation square. Since I indeed am among the nation, I
> myself am opposing the constitutional draft as well. It contains
> constituents that intensely restricts civil rights, constitutive
> fundamental
> principles, and more perilously, the oppressively dominating regulations
> that will enormously circumscribe on judges authority. As Egyptians, we
> furiously decline the newly constitutional draft declared by President
> Morsy. We will firmly stand against it as we formerly stood against
> President Mubarack before. Now, let us return back to the subject that I
> like always to discuss. The subject that I will never cease bringing it,
> over and over again. The subject that I was heavily being assaulted
> because
> I discuss it. Please visit:
>  http://www.jewsagainstzionism.org
>
>  Jews Against Zionism is a group for Jews and others opposed to the
> Zionist
> movement and ideology, and to its impact on both Palestinians and Jews.
> This
> is not a religious group, not a racist hate group, and not a
> conspiracy-theory group. JAZ is a political group, committed to
> coexistence
> between Palestinians and Israeli Jews.
>
>  We believe that the conflict in Palestine cannot be resolved without a
> return of Palestinian refugees and dismantlement of the Zionist structure
> of
> the state of Israel - and that this is impossible in the context of two
> states and a re-partition of Palestine. We advocate the only approach
> which
> can lead to peace with justice in the region: we call for a unitary,
> secular
> and democratic Palestine, the return of Palestinian refugees, and full and
> equal rights for Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all other people living
> in
> the whole region.
>  Now, I may ask a simply basic and logical question. Why when I condemn
> and
> criticize Zionism, I find myself being attacked by some people who claim
> to
> be Christians and they incorrectly claim that they represent American
> identity. Well to be perfectly fair, they can't really convince me that
> they
> represent either of those. They can't convince me that they represent
> Christianity. Because Christianity is absolutely a beautiful religion that
> teaches noble concepts and it encourages tolerance. Well in addition to
> American identity, they passably  are far away from its major essence. I
> don't just have nice American friends, but well in fact, my gorgeous
> fiance
> is American herself. Those people are gravely threatening American unity
> and
> entity. And similarly, they soberly are misrepresenting Christian
> indistinguishability. You could roughly recognize them. They were never
> belong to any Church or Christian religious sector. Therefore, you will
> constantly find them appearing in unpopular televisions, to essentially
> spark useless debates, aiming to make Muslims uncertain and suspicious
> about
> religious information. Well emphatically, they academically are perfectly
> inadequate to speak about even Christian theology, so how do you think of
> Islamic theological information. Well furthermore, you will never find
> them
> being decent characters. They always take offensive roles. They will
> always
> declare insults and intensive assaults against opposite parties. They
> always
> misquote, misrepresent, and misinterpret what they don't know to chiefly
> satisfy their interest. Moreover, they are calling for women unchastity.
> And
> they intensely condemn those who chose to dress  modestly. They falsely
> claim that it restricts their liberty. Well, those who hold these bogus
> claims are not more prosperous and successful than my fiance in her
> business
> career. She is the senior account manager at illustrious company in
> southern
> Virginia. She relentlessly goes out  totally covered up. Well in fact, she
> never expose herself in public. Obviously, a senior account mannager is
> distinctly successful than a girl works in a pub, serving wine and beer
> for
> wicked guys while she is virtually unveiled for their evil stares. Well I
> am
> anticipating to be insulted again. Well, I'll surely treat myself. At
> least,
> I haven't admitted any profanity or inflammatory remarks on today's post.
> Let them now insult us, and let them call me maniac , hahaha. Well,
> haven't
> you noticed that I am a terrorist too?
>                    You should report me to the CIA!
>  hahahahahahaha.
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