Wednesday, January 30, 2013

On the News With Thom Hartman

Subject: On the News With Thom Hartman

When faced with a moral delemma, and you are faced with upholding two commitments, which one trumps which one? 
John Kiriakou, CIA whistle blower, is sentenced to 30 months for apparently making the wrong choice. 
In taiking his possition with the CIA, John placed his hand on a Bible and swore to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. 
At the same time he pledged to not expose confidential CIA secrets. 
That was back when he believed that the CIA lived by that same Constitution he had promised to defend. 
That was before he discovered that the CIA was lying when it said publicly that the USA did not use torture.  He learned that not only did the CIA permit such methods as water boarding, but also sleep deprivation and what they called the Cold Room. 
So now suppose that you are John Kiriakou, sworn to uphold two contridicting pledges. 
Do you blow the whistle on the CIA, or do you protect your comrades as they go about the business of secret torture? 
Such decisions are not confined to our government's most secret of agencies.  Think of having to decide if you should report your fellow officer for taking hush money, when you have sworn to uphold your brother/sister police officers.  If you blow the whistle, what happens to your career? 
What about the Bishop who discovers that one of his priests is "dipping the wick" in the rumps of Alter Boys?  You are committed to defend the Church.  How do you go about that pledge? 
Or here's one I had the priviledge of dealing with.  We spent years developing a program in our agency.  It now was among the three top such programs nationally.  I, and others, began to suspect that the program supervisor was mismanaging the program resources.  We had to take immediate action.  Our choices were to bring charges against the man or move him outside the agency. 
To expose him could impact the program, and with it the livelihoods of a large number of blind people.  To move him out of the agency meant "rewarding" him with an opportunity he couldn't resist.  Neither choice was a good one. 
Unless you've had to make such choices you have no idea of how it tears at your very fiber. 
I salute John Kiriakou for his bravery in standing true to his commitment to protect and uphold our Constitution at all costs. 
And I hope that President Obama removes the charge and drops the 30 month sentence.  Since Obama refuses to go after the torturers who are making our nation look like all other Terrorist Nations, then at least let's not prosecute our brave friends. 
 
Carl Jarvis
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    From: On the News with Thom Hartman. 

 

In America, if you commit a war crime and torture someone – nothing happens to you. But if you blow the whistle on this war crime – then get ready to go to jail. On Friday, CIA whistleblower, John Kiriakou, was sentenced to 30 months in jail, for releasing classified information that exposed the CIA's use of waterboarding. Kiriakou is one of six current, or former, government officials, who've been slapped with criminal charges from the Obama administration for leaking classified information. That's more crackdowns on government whistleblowers than all other Presidential administrations combined. We should not be jailing brave individuals who exposed war crimes in an effort to stop them. But, we should be locking up George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the rest of their ilk, who knowingly allowed the United States to become a nation that tortures. It will take a long time to heal the deep moral wounds these men inflicted on our nation.

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Sunday, January 27, 2013

just who should pay to educate our future Americans?


Good morning John,
Certainly that is one approach to gaining both an education and learning financial responsibility.  I say, learning financial responsibility because I want to believe that we agree that most responsible parents are teaching their children to be responsible Beings. 
But why demand that our children pay for the education that we hope and pray they will put to good use as adults?  Are we not preparing them to take over the serious business of advancing our well being as a nation?  Don't we expect them to lead America into greener pastures than we were able to do?  Why do we always place a dollar value to everything we do?  Money is not our God.  But hope, and belief in our future comes closer.  If we have enough Faith in our own children to lead us into a brighter future, isn't it enough that we be the ones to sacrifice and pay for their education?  After all, the education is not free.  It is a question of who pays for it.  I say that it must be us who put up the dollars.  The parents, grandparents and believers in children.  We are leaving them a big enough mess that they will have plenty to do without having to buy back their freedom. 
 
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Wcb-l] Harvard University Announcement/free tuition for low incomestudents

Hello Carl and others:
Why not get a loan, and then pay it back later, when a person gets a job. They could even implement something like an automatic  deduction out of their pay check.
Get an education, and learn responsibility at the same time.
Regards,
 
John McConnell
 

just being myself


Hi Jessie and List,
Sometimes we set up Strawmen/women and swing away at them while we ignore the central issue. 
I would propose that we get past this matter of trying to be as good as sighted people, or comparing ourselves to them, or trying to imitate them.  This is not to be construed as my wanting to be separate but equal.  I advocate working with, associating with, recreating with and marrying sighted people.  I even support having sighted children(I have 3 of my own, just to prove it). 
In fact, allow me to introduce myself. 
I am Carl Allen Jarvis, the Interdependent Blind Man.  I am a unique individual, fully functional and capable of adjusting myself, with the help of my fellow human beings,  to live in the world. 
I am as complex and as diverse in my strengths and weaknesses as are all human beings.  I constantly evaluate my beliefs and attitudes to correct or adjust them as new information occurs.  I try to understand my limitations, but do my best to be certain that I am not allowing my prejudices to close my mind.  As I grow older, I adjust my activities, even as I went through a major adjustment when I became blind. 
My bottom line is that in no way do I want to be as good as sighted people.  It is my goal to be as good as it is possible for me to be.  That is a full time job. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 

Blind persons and mobility instructors

Blind persons and mobility instructors

Joe, Chris, Jessie, Ann, Ken, Dianne, Natalie, Holly, Frank, Alexis, and Heaven knows Who Else. 
 
Joe cuts straight to the heart of this discussion when he writes, "Presumptions against blind folks being O and M instructors or limitations upon them are clearly discriminatory on there face and violate the letter and spirit of the ADA, Section 504 and the Constitution of the United States of America (14th Amendment, Article V, (equal protection and due process clause)".
 
When we decide that a blind individual cannot train or teach O&M to blind people, we become no different than all of the sighted people over all of the years who said that blind people could not attend public school, work in food service, teach school, work in competetive employment of any sort, based on their belief that blindness was too severe of a handicap.   Very few who have responded to this conversation have asked, "How can a blind person teach O&M?" or, "Under what conditions might a blind O&M instructor provide such services?" 
No, the majority jump right in shaking their heads and declaring that under no circumstances would they ever allow a blind O&M instructor to teach them. 
Don't we sound just exactly like all those oppressive agency administrators down through the years?  "Put them in a safe place, a Workshop where they can feel productive while we take care of them". 
"You mustn't build your hopes too big.  After all, you are blind."  Or, Be grateful that there are those who care enough for you that we go to the trouble of providing for your wants." 
 
As a Rehabilitation Teacher who has taught cane travel and orientation to many blind people, I will never take a student into a place I would not feel confident traveling by myself.  And trust me, there are many such places in this frantic, mad nation.  But I have taken blind students into very noisy, confusing situations when I am absolutely certain that they are safe with me. 
The example that comes to mind is our state fair at Puyallup(pronounced, Pew Al up). 
 Each year we took our students from the Adult Training Center to the Fair.  One of the largest in the nation, it is overflowing with activities, people, horses, vehicles, roving musicians(most dangerous), and many twisty little walk ways where one can become totally confused and lost. 
Except it is impossible to become totally lost in this confined space.  We never lost a single student.  But by taking in tow the totally blind students, I was able to drive home the lesson that we can become helplessly lost and find ourselves again.  And have fun doing it.  And all who came through unscathed were allowed to chip in and buy the Director icecream on a stick, or Indian Fry Bread, or an Elephant Ear. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 

Education is an investment

John,
Right you are.  Nothing in life is free.  But providing a thorough education to our youth is an investment and it does not come as a free ride to them.  We are putting our future in their hands and they will more than repay for the education we provide. 
 
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Wcb-l] Harvard University Announcement/free tuition for low incomestudents

Hello all:
Nothing in life is free. The person should do something to compensate for this "free education."
I paid almost nothing in College, but I also used what I learned in ministering to the people, that was also true in Seminary. I
 went through school on a student loan, which I paid back.
Something for nothing sounds like academic welfare.
 
John McConnell
 
----- Original Message -----
To: wcb
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:44 AM
Subject: [Wcb-l] Harvard University Announcement/free tuition for low incomestudents

Do we know of any low income blind students? 
Carl Jarvis
Subject: [acb-l] Harvard University Announcement/free tuition for low income students

FYI!


Harvard University Announcement 

No tuition and no student loans


Harvard University announced over the weekend that from now on undergraduate students from low-income families will pay no tuition. In making the announcement, Harvard's president Lawrence H. Summers said, "When only ten percent of the students in elite higher education come from families in the lower half of the income distribution, we are not doing enough. We are not doing enough in bringing elite higher education to the lower half of the income distribution."

If you know of a family earning less than $60,000 a year with an honor student graduating from high school soon, Harvard University wants to pay the tuition. The prestigious university recently announced that from now on undergraduate students from low-income families can go to Harvard for free... no tuition and no student loans!

To find out more about Harvard offering free tuition for families making less than $60,000 a year, visit Harvard's financial aid website at: http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/
or call the school's financial aid office at (617) 495-1581.


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when pigs can fly...

Dick,
Don't lose your beauty sleep over this one.  It will pass when pigs can fly and Peter Pan grows a beard. 
Frankly, I have opposed the term limit just as strongly as I oppose super majority votes.  A majority vote ensures that the will of the majority will be carried out.  A two-thirds, or super majority vote, allows minority rule. 
Back on the term limits.  We are silly ducks if we think that this foolishness is protecting our democracy.  We need some major overhaul of our House of Cards in order to protect what liberty and democracy we still have. 
We can start by removing corporate citizenship, and placing tight controls on the functions of each corporation.  This would include an expiration date, that must be renewed after a thorough review. 
We might consider removing the archaic Electoral College. 
A reform of the congressional redistricting might make elections fairer.  And opening the elections to political parties other than the Two-Headed Party currently hogging all elections. 
Just some rambling thoughts. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:03 AM
Subject: H.J.Res. 15:

All:

Found the following this morning.

H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, ...

...of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.

Introduced:
Jan 04, 2013 (113th Congress, 2013–2015)
Sponsor:
Rep. José Serrano [D-NY15]
Status:
Referred to Committee

The resolution's title was written by the resolution's sponsor. H.J.Res. stands for House joint resolution.

Track this bill


Implication is that this is how Mr. Obama is going to try for a third term.

R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.


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ambulance chasers

Dick,
When you say, "Ambulance Chaser", are you speaking of those unscrupulous weasley lawyers who rush in, trying to make a quick buck off someone's misery? 
Or are you speaking of attorneys who are sworn to protect the interests of folks currently in no position to defend themselves from the pressures brought to bear by insurance companies who have only their own best interests at heart? 
The insurance industry has worked hard to promote Ambulance Chasers as unscrupulous chiselers, interested in suing for their own profit. 
What then do we call those fine upstanding attorneys whose lips are pressed to the ample backsides of the insurance CEO's? 
 
Carl Jarvis
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: H.J.Res. 15:

Joe:
I agree and the man we have in office at the present time is one hell of a 'rock thrower' in my opinion.  Very dangerous from the legal standpoint.  Would have made a very successful ambulance chaser in my opinion.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 1/25/2013 12:12 PM, joe harcz Comcast wrote:
You know once one throws a few rocks at Goliath sooner or later on is sure to hit its intended mark.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: H.J.Res. 15:

Ted:
While I tend to agree with you.  I find it interesting to note that there are people out there who are still trying and trying and trying.  Some day they may succeed!
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 1/25/2013 10:15 AM, ted chittenden wrote:
Dick:  The proposed Constitutional Amendment is going absolutely nowhere! For this Amendment to pass, 2/3 of the House would have to vote for it, then 2/3 of the Senate, and finally, it would have to be ratified by 2/3 of the states. And in absolutely *none* of these areas is 2/3 support available.  --  Ted Chittenden    Every story has at least two sides if not more.  ---- "R. E. Driscoll Sr" <llocsirdsr@att.net> wrote:   All:    Found the following this morning.        H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United    States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, ...    ...of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms   an individual may serve as President.    Introduced:      Jan 04, 2013 (113^th Congress, 2013--2015)  Sponsor:      Rep. José Serrano [D-NY15]      <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jose_serrano/400366>  Status:      Referred to Committee     The resolution's title was written by the resolution's sponsor. H.J.Res.   stands for House joint resolution.    Track this bill <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15#>  Take a Position   <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/advocacy>      Implication is that this is how Mr. Obama is going to try for a third term.    R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.  (About Ads | Advertise Here) <http://www.govtrack.us/advertising>          _______________________________________________  Blind-Democracy mailing list  Blind-Democracy@octothorp.org  http://www.octothorp.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-democracy


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still more interdependent thinking

s I will never allow myself to forget how I felt when I first joined the NFB and went out to dinner with a group of old timers.  They left me in their dust, striding down the sidewalks.  I'd thought I was a better than average traveler, but try as I might I just bounced off poles, signs, and other people.  I remember asking the sighted wife of one of those fellows, as to whether he had any vision.  "He's a blind guy", she told me.  I believed that this meant he was totally blind like me.  I determined that if this man, and several others, could get around so easily, I could learn the tricks, too. 
It was months before I learned that these men were all partially sighted and all of them had decent travel vision.  I have to tell you that I was royally pissed. 
But it was hammered into our heads that we must prove that we were indeed the independent blind. 
I threw myself into the NFB, just as I'd thrown myself into Religion, and seriously worked at being the most independent blind man in the state of Washington.  And I challenged all other blind people to do the same.  Even many who could never have been independent if their sight was 20/20. 
I have never forgiven those arrogant liars who thought that they were doing me a favor by pretending that they were totally blind, too.  They deceived me intentionally.  I swore that I'd never do that to anyone else. 
So I promote interdependence.  It's much more fun, too.  I spent time getting interdependent with several charming blind women until I met Cathy.  We've been interdependent for 31 years the 13th of February. 
And believe me, life is much easier when one partner is sighted. 
And that partner is telling me I'd better come and eat. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Carl,

Yes, and I mention the details because all too often, blind people who have
easily available sighted help, don't mention it and blind people who don't,
and who have to struggle to find ways to get stuff done, feel as if maybe
there's something wrong with them or they're doing something wrong. There's
so much emphasis on independence and capability, and now-a-days, use of
technology, that a lot of times when blind people talk to each other about
their lives, they just omit the difficult details. We have a situation here
in Nassau County where the private company that is now running our
paratransit system, began occasionally using a different color, very quiet
van. Apparently, some of our LICB leadership encountered this, but it never
occurred to them to post the information on their email list or their
website. People with a bit of partial vision, could miss their rides because
they're used to white vans. And Everyone is used to vans with very loud
motors so a totally blind person can locate the van, even when it's idling.
Somehow, it never occurred to anyone to post the information about these new
vans that are occasionally substituted for the regular vans which look
totally different from what we're used to and which you can't hear. I can't
understand the self centeredness and denial of these people. I compare this
to my husband, Fred, who was probably one of the most skillful blind
travelers I've ever known. He had an incredible sense of direction and
fantastic hearing, and this ability to tell me if he passed a telephone
pole. But he understood that traveling around New York City and its suburbs
is incredibly challenging for blind people. I remember how, when we went to
meetings in the city, he'd always ask folks "How was your trip here today?"
And people appreciated that. As competent as they may have been at getting
around, it helped to talk about it. It was a recognition of what we all had
to deal with. So, getting back to debit card receipts, it's easy to buy
stuff that way. You don't have to identify currency. But then you have all
these little receipts.

Miriam 

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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:54 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,
Like you, I am not mathematically inclined.  As a single parent, I also kept
Braille notes stapled to my receipts and a Braille ledger.  My eldest
daughter did spend a few minutes each week reading statements and
identifying things I needed to Braille.  My trade off with her was that I
did all the laundry and cooking.  She helped with the bills and sometimes
watched the two younger children. 
We got along, but I have to tell you that I would not trade Cathy for any of
those "good old days". 
A sighted spouse, especially one you are really attached to, is one huge
advantage. 
 
Carl Jarvis

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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, this is easier for sighted people because they can glance
through all
of those receipts and check them out against the balance in the
checking
account, etc. I make braille notes of those receipts, checks,
deposits,
withdrawals, etc. I use my CCTV to go through my bank statement and
it isn't
easy to do. Of course, the fact that I've always been
"mathematically
challenged" doesn't help. 

Miriam

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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:14 PM
To: ceverett@dslextreme.com; Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Claude,
Even a Neanderthal, like me is going more and more to debit card
use.  Up
until about two years ago we would draw our operating money for the
month,
divide it into compartments for food, gas, etc.  Another draw from
our
business account was taken to cover client and business expenses. 
Nowadays we just keep a log and enter in the information.  We have a
second
debit card for our business. 
So if we are out on client business and stop for lunch, out comes
the
business debit card.  We include tax and tip.  If the service is
really bad,
the tip is almost nonexistent.  I have been known to take great
pleasure in
hearing a wait person pawing around among the dirty dishes, looking
for the
tip they are sure we left on the table.  Usually that's the only
time we saw
them at our table after dropping off our food. 
We also have a business credit card and another for our personal
use.  These
cards are used from time to time, but are always paid up by the end
of the
month, to avoid interest charges. 
This works well if you are as disciplined as my wife.  Cathy is very
detail
focused.  She keeps lists of the lists she keeps. 
Her sister has three credit cards, all of them maxed.  She is
trapped by the
Capitalistic system and will never get paid off. 
Carl Jarvis


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Miriam,
You said: "Soon, people won't be using cash anymore anyway.  "  I
tend to
differ, there are small purchases, tips, and other transactions,
which will
still need cash.


Claude Everett
"First of all:  what is work?
Work is of two kinds:
  first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's
surface
relatively to other such matter;
second, telling other people to do so.
  The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant
and
highly paid."
From The collection of essays "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand
Russell

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Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:02 AM
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, they say that phone calls are more effective than letters and
personal
letters are more effective than petitions, etc. I think, if they get
enough
petitions from enough groups which appear to represent huge numbers
of
people, maybe they'll be influenced. Just think about the legal
opinion on
accessible money and see where this has gotten us so far. Several
private
companies made money from government contracts given to them to
study how to
implement the decision. How many years ago was this? And this was a
legal
decision in response to a suit. Soon, people won't be using cash
anymore
anyway.

Miriam

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Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:37 AM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,

From one frustrated person to another: 
Change the name and the State, and your experience could have been
mine. 
While my congressman, Norm Dicks, did always answer me, it was with
form
letters or discussions about issues he was fighting for "on my
behalf". 
Back in the days when you had to actually sit down at a typewriter
and pound
out your concerns, the stationary that came back with the ambiguous
reply,
was on good quality paper.  For a while I thought I'd save them
until I had
enough to paper my office wall, but the quality went down to the
point that
it would be embarrassing to plaster them where anyone could see. 
I've often thought that this made a statement even before anyone
realized
that we, the people, were so insignificant that our representatives
could
cut corners by reducing the quality of their stationary, just as
they
reduced their involvement in our affairs. 

Carl Jarvis


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Subject: My call to Schumer

I said that I'd received this email indicating that he's supporting
cuts in
social security and asked if it were true. Since the email didn't
include
details, only saying that he'd "put cuts on the table", The aide
with whom I
talked said that this was just a rumor and that he wasn't in favor
of any
cuts and said something about how they were dealing with
reconciliation now,
whatever that meant. I didn't even want to get into the filibuster
or
medicare and medicaid cuts. But I did say that rumors often had some
reality
behind them and that even our President was supporting this and I
then
talked a bit about my own personal situation. The aide was polite,
did not
sound especially warm or sympathetic, asked for my zip code, and
said she'd
relay my concerns to the Senator. I did manage to include the fact
that
there are corporations that pay no taxes, and wealthy people who are
doing
very well, and that the Democratic party is not fulfilling its
traditional
mandate. The experience reinforced why I tend not to make these
phone calls.
They are frustrating and I don't usually feel like I've accomplished
anything.

Miriam

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the interdependent blind man

I never saw myself as a super blind man.  I actually was trying to prove that I was as good as my sighted neighbors.  And when I was young and my senses were sharp and my sense of direction better than the average, I was a good match in many things.  But I do remember, looking back, that I did play down the areas where sight was critical.  Sure, I could mow my own lawn, wash the windows, vacuum the floors, do the laundry, take my Braille grocery list and my grocery cart and hike off to Safeway...and get my groceries. 
That last little item is not something a totally blind man is going to do without sighted help no matter how clever he is. 
I always called ahead and was met by an employee who walked around the store with me, putting the items in my cart. 
As a single parent, I mentioned before that I cooked the meals, did the laundry and kept the books...well, not entirely.  My eldest daughter, fifteen at the time, read me the bills and the amounts.  I Brailed them out and kept a ledger, but I could not have done this without that vital sighted help. 
On the job I did many amazing things, for a blind man...according to sighted folks around me.  I rode the bus to and from work.  Of course so did many of them.  I taught classes in food management, Braille, physical education and even some O&M when no one was looking.  "Remarkable!  Truly amazing!" folks would say.  But they were doing the same things.  I never thought them to be super sighted people.  And what they chose to overlook, and much of the time I did too, was just how much I depended upon my secretary to give me visual information.  She would check out my office and advise me if I had spills of coffee on tables.  She would do the same regarding my ties and shirts.  She would tidy up the places that I'd overlooked, and arrange the office conference table when I was expecting to have meetings.  She was at my side, reading stuff that we could not translate into Braille.  And she gave me her impressions of the people I dealt with. 
 
I could go on for pages, but as you can see, I was an interdependent blind man, not an independent one. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

I think that perhaps blind people take sighted help for granted, but I'm not
sure they all realize they're doing it. I also think that there is this
image of super blind person, that they want to fill. But there are people
who really don't realize how much help they're getting from others.

Miriam 

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of ted chittenden
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:37 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

I think that a lot of people, both blind and sighted, take a lot for
granted. Sighted people take for granted that they will still receive
benefits even while they demand that government cut costs. Blind people
often take for granted the actual assistance they receive from others (in
fact, it could be argued that taking that assistance for granted is part of
the NFB philosophy--except that I have noticed ACB members doing it too)
without realizing that the assistance they are getting is not necessarily
available to everybody else. I think this taking of the help that others
provide us for granted causes those who provide the assistance to feel that
they have bben used and reluctant to offer any more assistance in the
future.
--
Ted Chittenden

Every story has at least two sides if not more.
---- Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
Carl,

Yes, and I mention the details because all too often, blind people who have
easily available sighted help, don't mention it and blind people who don't,
and who have to struggle to find ways to get stuff done, feel as if maybe
there's something wrong with them or they're doing something wrong. There's
so much emphasis on independence and capability, and now-a-days, use of
technology, that a lot of times when blind people talk to each other about
their lives, they just omit the difficult details. We have a situation here
in Nassau County where the private company that is now running our
paratransit system, began occasionally using a different color, very quiet
van. Apparently, some of our LICB leadership encountered this, but it never
occurred to them to post the information on their email list or their
website. People with a bit of partial vision, could miss their rides because
they're used to white vans. And Everyone is used to vans with very loud
motors so a totally blind person can locate the van, even when it's idling.
Somehow, it never occurred to anyone to post the information about these new
vans that are occasionally substituted for the regular vans which look
totally different from what we're used to and which you can't hear. I can't
understand the self centeredness and denial of these people. I compare this
to my husband, Fred, who was probably one of the most skillful blind
travelers I've ever known. He had an incredible sense of direction and
fantastic hearing, and this ability to tell me if he passed a telephone
pole. But he understood that traveling around New York City and its suburbs
is incredibly challenging for blind people. I remember how, when we went to
meetings in the city, he'd always ask folks "How was your trip here today?"
And people appreciated that. As competent as they may have been at getting
around, it helped to talk about it. It was a recognition of what we all had
to deal with. So, getting back to debit card receipts, it's easy to buy
stuff that way. You don't have to identify currency. But then you have all
these little receipts.

Miriam 

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:54 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,
Like you, I am not mathematically inclined.  As a single parent, I also kept
Braille notes stapled to my receipts and a Braille ledger.  My eldest
daughter did spend a few minutes each week reading statements and
identifying things I needed to Braille.  My trade off with her was that I
did all the laundry and cooking.  She helped with the bills and sometimes
watched the two younger children. 
We got along, but I have to tell you that I would not trade Cathy for any of
those "good old days". 
A sighted spouse, especially one you are really attached to, is one huge
advantage. 
 
Carl Jarvis

----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, this is easier for sighted people because they can glance
through all
of those receipts and check them out against the balance in the
checking
account, etc. I make braille notes of those receipts, checks,
deposits,
withdrawals, etc. I use my CCTV to go through my bank statement and
it isn't
easy to do. Of course, the fact that I've always been
"mathematically
challenged" doesn't help. 

Miriam

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:14 PM
To: ceverett@dslextreme.com; Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Claude,
Even a Neanderthal, like me is going more and more to debit card
use.  Up
until about two years ago we would draw our operating money for the
month,
divide it into compartments for food, gas, etc.  Another draw from
our
business account was taken to cover client and business expenses. 
Nowadays we just keep a log and enter in the information.  We have a
second
debit card for our business. 
So if we are out on client business and stop for lunch, out comes
the
business debit card.  We include tax and tip.  If the service is
really bad,
the tip is almost nonexistent.  I have been known to take great
pleasure in
hearing a wait person pawing around among the dirty dishes, looking
for the
tip they are sure we left on the table.  Usually that's the only
time we saw
them at our table after dropping off our food. 
We also have a business credit card and another for our personal
use.  These
cards are used from time to time, but are always paid up by the end
of the
month, to avoid interest charges. 
This works well if you are as disciplined as my wife.  Cathy is very
detail
focused.  She keeps lists of the lists she keeps. 
Her sister has three credit cards, all of them maxed.  She is
trapped by the
Capitalistic system and will never get paid off. 
Carl Jarvis


----- Original Message -----
From: Claude Everett <mailto:ceverett@dslextreme.com
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Miriam,
You said: "Soon, people won't be using cash anymore anyway.  "  I
tend to
differ, there are small purchases, tips, and other transactions,
which will
still need cash.


Claude Everett
"First of all:  what is work?
Work is of two kinds:
  first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's
surface
relatively to other such matter;
second, telling other people to do so.
  The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant
and
highly paid."
From The collection of essays "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand
Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Miriam
Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:02 AM
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, they say that phone calls are more effective than letters and
personal
letters are more effective than petitions, etc. I think, if they get
enough
petitions from enough groups which appear to represent huge numbers
of
people, maybe they'll be influenced. Just think about the legal
opinion on
accessible money and see where this has gotten us so far. Several
private
companies made money from government contracts given to them to
study how to
implement the decision. How many years ago was this? And this was a
legal
decision in response to a suit. Soon, people won't be using cash
anymore
anyway.

Miriam

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:37 AM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,

From one frustrated person to another: 
Change the name and the State, and your experience could have been
mine. 
While my congressman, Norm Dicks, did always answer me, it was with
form
letters or discussions about issues he was fighting for "on my
behalf". 
Back in the days when you had to actually sit down at a typewriter
and pound
out your concerns, the stationary that came back with the ambiguous
reply,
was on good quality paper.  For a while I thought I'd save them
until I had
enough to paper my office wall, but the quality went down to the
point that
it would be embarrassing to plaster them where anyone could see. 
I've often thought that this made a statement even before anyone
realized
that we, the people, were so insignificant that our representatives
could
cut corners by reducing the quality of their stationary, just as
they
reduced their involvement in our affairs. 

Carl Jarvis


----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:08 AM
Subject: My call to Schumer

I said that I'd received this email indicating that he's supporting
cuts in
social security and asked if it were true. Since the email didn't
include
details, only saying that he'd "put cuts on the table", The aide
with whom I
talked said that this was just a rumor and that he wasn't in favor
of any
cuts and said something about how they were dealing with
reconciliation now,
whatever that meant. I didn't even want to get into the filibuster
or
medicare and medicaid cuts. But I did say that rumors often had some
reality
behind them and that even our President was supporting this and I
then
talked a bit about my own personal situation. The aide was polite,
did not
sound especially warm or sympathetic, asked for my zip code, and
said she'd
relay my concerns to the Senator. I did manage to include the fact
that
there are corporations that pay no taxes, and wealthy people who are
doing
very well, and that the Democratic party is not fulfilling its
traditional
mandate. The experience reinforced why I tend not to make these
phone calls.
They are frustrating and I don't usually feel like I've accomplished
anything.

Miriam

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the real problem is the we, the people have no government

Subject: Top CEO's plan to loot US social programs byMargaret Flowers

Hi Bob and All Who Dream of Better Times. 
You wrote, "the real problems here are in the form of corporate welfare to big business..."  
Actually, I see that as an outcome of the real problem.   
The real problem is that "We the People" have no government.  "They, the Corporate First Class Citizens, and Their Lackeys" have an Empire. 
And just as we used to believe that we had a government that stood for Liberty and Justice for All, their Empire's bottom line is, Maximize Expansion and Profit. 
To the Ruling Class, the Empire's People, the rest of us are like flies buzzing around their honey pot.  We are a nuisance.  At the moment they merely brush us away.  But as we persist in trying to grab a taste of that yummy honey, they will bring out the fly swatter. 
Our mistake is two-fold. 
First, we believe that we can pressure the Empire into sharing.  Please go back and re-read their bottom line. 
Second, we believe that they see us as people with the ability to contribute to the well-being of the nation. 
What they see is a natural resource.  We will mine their coal, farm their gardens, clean their mansions, and in effect we will provide all that they need doing in order to live their lives and free their time to the task of maximizing expansion and profit. 
Their actions over the life of this nation declare that they believe themselves to be the Chosen Ones, the Wise Ones, the Leaders, the Doers and Shakers.  Their history books are not filled with our achievements.  They revel in the great accomplishments of their People.  And we are taught to believe that these are the great people in our history.  Well my friends, the truly great People in our history are, Us.  They are our fathers and mothers, and our great great great grand parents.  The toilers of the soil,  the builders of houses, the construction gangs, the house wives, the cop on the corner, the fireman putting his life on the line, the homeless person building a shanty out of packing crates, the children surviving in squalor and the filth and danger in the Ghettos and slums, the young men and women sacrificed daily to defend the Empire's ill gotten gains, the elderly folk caste aside and waiting to quietly die.  These are our heroes.  But try to find them in your school's history books.  Oh, you may see them listed as, the King's troops, or perhaps, the industrialist called upon the governor to send out the National Guard to put down the rioters, protesters and mischief makers. 
But only a very few of our common heroes ever grace the pages of the Ruling Class' history books. 
Although millions of pages have been written, and hundreds of wise Talking Heads have pontificated, the solution is a simple one. 
Either we go along as we are and hope for enough crumbs from the Master's Heavily Laden Table, or we rise up and establish a new, People's Government. 
And I'm sorry to say, but that does mean a blood bath.  Look at it from their point of view.  What would you do if the flies suddenly swarmed into your honey pot and began sucking it dry?  Of course you'd reach for the really big fly swatter. 
 
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hachey
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [acb-chat] Top CEO's plan to loot US social programs byMargaret Flowers

Hi Claude and all,
Margaret Flowers has it right here.
The greed of members of the business round table is most depressing. While
our debt is not a good thing and does need to be reduced in the long run,
the most important thing we need to do now is to get our economy growing
again and create more jobs that pay a living wage. The bitter pill of
austerity if inflicted upon America right now will stall the very slow
growth we have now and further divide us into the haves and have-nots. WE
need to return to Keynesian economics which creates a much more vibrant
middle class and levels the playing field for most of us. there's nothing
wrong with being rich, but there's quite a bit wrong with being very very
rich such as the unbelievable levels of wealth held by the top one half of
one percent of Americans. Right-wingers continually whine about what they
call entitlements such as social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps,
SSI, college grants and defined pension plans. The entitlements that cause
the real problems here are in the form of corporate welfare to big business
regardless of profit levels which sap revenue from our government and cause
our infrastructure to be the laughing stock of the rest of the developed
world. The entitlement that bugs me the most is the one whereby former
members of Congress on both sides of the aisle quickly transform from reps
and senators to lobbyists and consultants who bring in big bucks in cushy
jobs as they use insider knowledge gained while in Congress to the benefit
of themselves and their employers often at the expense of the rest of us.
We need to charge the FICA tax to all income, not just that below
$106,000.00. WE also need to ban health insurance companies as Margaret
suggests.
Failure to take her advice will lead to one of two outcomes neither of which
is pleasant.
1. More and more Americans will lose hope and get sick and tired of being
pushed around by big business and we could get a bloody revolution.
2. The attempt at bloody revolution could be put down by the corporatists
and the military leading to a fascist authoritarian state.
Bob Hachey

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the sacrifices we are called upon to make

Gary,
You have just identified one of the most basic requests Cathy and I have had during our years in work with elderly blind people.  Not just a lack of people available to read, but a problem with finding trustworthy people to read. 
Allowing a total stranger into your home to read your most personal financial information, or personal letters, and to know that you are alone, is something that scares the socks off many elderly people.  And it would scare me, too.  Of course the answer is to fund a program that trained and monitored readers.  They would be paid, not volunteers, and closely supervised. 
But we have drone bombs to build, and foreign nations to bribe with the dollars that might provide such a simple fix to a most debilitating problem. 
Ah, the sacrifices we disabled people are called upon to make in order to protect our freedom! 
 
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer

If you don't have any sighted people in your life it is very difficult to
get things done. We are now between readers. When I was younger I knew a lot
of sighted people. Now I don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:58 PM
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Carl,

Yes, and I mention the details because all too often, blind people who have
easily available sighted help, don't mention it and blind people who don't,
and who have to struggle to find ways to get stuff done, feel as if maybe
there's something wrong with them or they're doing something wrong. There's
so much emphasis on independence and capability, and now-a-days, use of
technology, that a lot of times when blind people talk to each other about
their lives, they just omit the difficult details. We have a situation here
in Nassau County where the private company that is now running our
paratransit system, began occasionally using a different color, very quiet
van. Apparently, some of our LICB leadership encountered this, but it never
occurred to them to post the information on their email list or their
website. People with a bit of partial vision, could miss their rides because
they're used to white vans. And Everyone is used to vans with very loud
motors so a totally blind person can locate the van, even when it's idling.
Somehow, it never occurred to anyone to post the information about these new
vans that are occasionally substituted for the regular vans which look
totally different from what we're used to and which you can't hear. I can't
understand the self centeredness and denial of these people. I compare this
to my husband, Fred, who was probably one of the most skillful blind
travelers I've ever known. He had an incredible sense of direction and
fantastic hearing, and this ability to tell me if he passed a telephone
pole. But he understood that traveling around New York City and its suburbs
is incredibly challenging for blind people. I remember how, when we went to
meetings in the city, he'd always ask folks "How was your trip here today?"
And people appreciated that. As competent as they may have been at getting
around, it helped to talk about it. It was a recognition of what we all had
to deal with. So, getting back to debit card receipts, it's easy to buy
stuff that way. You don't have to identify currency. But then you have all
these little receipts.

Miriam

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:54 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,
Like you, I am not mathematically inclined.  As a single parent, I also kept
Braille notes stapled to my receipts and a Braille ledger.  My eldest
daughter did spend a few minutes each week reading statements and
identifying things I needed to Braille.  My trade off with her was that I
did all the laundry and cooking.  She helped with the bills and sometimes
watched the two younger children.
We got along, but I have to tell you that I would not trade Cathy for any of
those "good old days".
A sighted spouse, especially one you are really attached to, is one huge
advantage.

Carl Jarvis

----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net>
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, this is easier for sighted people because they can glance
through all
of those receipts and check them out against the balance in the
checking
account, etc. I make braille notes of those receipts, checks,
deposits,
withdrawals, etc. I use my CCTV to go through my bank statement and
it isn't
easy to do. Of course, the fact that I've always been
"mathematically
challenged" doesn't help.

Miriam

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:14 PM
To: ceverett@dslextreme.com; Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Claude,
Even a Neanderthal, like me is going more and more to debit card
use.  Up
until about two years ago we would draw our operating money for the
month,
divide it into compartments for food, gas, etc.  Another draw from
our
business account was taken to cover client and business expenses.
Nowadays we just keep a log and enter in the information.  We have a
second
debit card for our business.
So if we are out on client business and stop for lunch, out comes
the
business debit card.  We include tax and tip.  If the service is
really bad,
the tip is almost nonexistent.  I have been known to take great
pleasure in
hearing a wait person pawing around among the dirty dishes, looking
for the
tip they are sure we left on the table.  Usually that's the only
time we saw
them at our table after dropping off our food.
We also have a business credit card and another for our personal
use.  These
cards are used from time to time, but are always paid up by the end
of the
month, to avoid interest charges.
This works well if you are as disciplined as my wife.  Cathy is very
detail
focused.  She keeps lists of the lists she keeps.
Her sister has three credit cards, all of them maxed.  She is
trapped by the
Capitalistic system and will never get paid off.
Carl Jarvis


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From: Claude Everett <mailto:ceverett@dslextreme.com>
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Miriam,
You said: "Soon, people won't be using cash anymore anyway.  "  I
tend to
differ, there are small purchases, tips, and other transactions,
which will
still need cash.


Claude Everett
"First of all:  what is work?
Work is of two kinds:
  first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's
surface
relatively to other such matter;
second, telling other people to do so.
  The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant
and
highly paid."
From The collection of essays "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand
Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Miriam
Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:02 AM
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, they say that phone calls are more effective than letters and
personal
letters are more effective than petitions, etc. I think, if they get
enough
petitions from enough groups which appear to represent huge numbers
of
people, maybe they'll be influenced. Just think about the legal
opinion on
accessible money and see where this has gotten us so far. Several
private
companies made money from government contracts given to them to
study how to
implement the decision. How many years ago was this? And this was a
legal
decision in response to a suit. Soon, people won't be using cash
anymore
anyway.

Miriam

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:37 AM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,

From one frustrated person to another:
Change the name and the State, and your experience could have been
mine.
While my congressman, Norm Dicks, did always answer me, it was with
form
letters or discussions about issues he was fighting for "on my
behalf".
Back in the days when you had to actually sit down at a typewriter
and pound
out your concerns, the stationary that came back with the ambiguous
reply,
was on good quality paper.  For a while I thought I'd save them
until I had
enough to paper my office wall, but the quality went down to the
point that
it would be embarrassing to plaster them where anyone could see.
I've often thought that this made a statement even before anyone
realized
that we, the people, were so insignificant that our representatives
could
cut corners by reducing the quality of their stationary, just as
they
reduced their involvement in our affairs.

Carl Jarvis


----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net>
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:08 AM
Subject: My call to Schumer

I said that I'd received this email indicating that he's supporting
cuts in
social security and asked if it were true. Since the email didn't
include
details, only saying that he'd "put cuts on the table", The aide
with whom I
talked said that this was just a rumor and that he wasn't in favor
of any
cuts and said something about how they were dealing with
reconciliation now,
whatever that meant. I didn't even want to get into the filibuster
or
medicare and medicaid cuts. But I did say that rumors often had some
reality
behind them and that even our President was supporting this and I
then
talked a bit about my own personal situation. The aide was polite,
did not
sound especially warm or sympathetic, asked for my zip code, and
said she'd
relay my concerns to the Senator. I did manage to include the fact
that
there are corporations that pay no taxes, and wealthy people who are
doing
very well, and that the Democratic party is not fulfilling its
traditional
mandate. The experience reinforced why I tend not to make these
phone calls.
They are frustrating and I don't usually feel like I've accomplished
anything.

Miriam

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who's got the power?

Claude, 
Right.  What does it matter who is sitting in the office when the lobbyist has all the real power? 
 
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: H.J.Res. 15:

Yep!  you are right.  Speaking as a resident of a state where term limits are a fact of life, the special interests and logiest run the government.  Their spin on issues and access assures what they want they get.
 

Claude Everett
"First of all:  what is work?
Work is of two kinds:
  first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter;
 second, telling other people to do so.
  The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant and highly paid."
From The collection of essays "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand Russell
 

 


From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org [mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hachey
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:14 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: H.J.Res. 15:

Hi Carl,
Firstly, taking away term limits gives the president way too much power.
Could you imagine an Obama third term? How about a reagan or Clinton third term?
AS for Congress, each district has more say as to whether or not members get to keep serving than does a president who gains more power.
Given some of the behavior of Congressional leaders on both sides, I'm rethinking that perhaps we ought to have term limits for Congress, 5 terms for a house member and three terms for a senator, perhaps?
But, as we know, what we really need is to get the money out of politics and increase voter participation. Until we do those things, it won't matter much whether or not we have term limits.
Bob Hachey
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: H.J.Res. 15:

Why oppose term limits, but support them for the one person who should not be under such restraints? 
There must be some leverage by the nation's leader.  Obama can make all the great speeches he wants, but he knows that his effectiveness is nearing an end...if he ever did have any. 
He wins the election for a second term and begins to move directly toward the square marked "Lame Duck". 
Did I mention that I am once again convinced that Obama is preparing to sign the oil pipeline legislation?  He's a real candy ass, regardless of his brains or his speaking ability. 
I swear Obama is the identical twin of Bill Clinton.  Sitting in that oval office nodding and grinning at the thought that they just pulled the wool over the eyes of those stupid Americans. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hachey
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: H.J.Res. 15:

Hi Dick,
Once again, thanks for sending.
While I oppose term limints for congress, I think the two-term limit for president is a good idea.
Bob Hachey


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let's get real

How can we really become effective, partners in our world if we don't deal honestly with our limitations as blind people, as well as our strengths? 
While I give credit to the NFB for opening my mind to the belief that I could be a productive person, enjoying life and making meaningful contributions, I also understand that they set us up. 
Catch slogans are okay in building up folks spirits, but saying, "The blind leading the blind," implies that we do not need anyone else.  The Independent Blind Movement tells us that we can push away sighted assistance and go it alone.  
I understand that it was an over reaction to the world blind people once found themselves in, being overly controlled by sighted agencies and family members.  But in the long run it has done us a disservice.  We could have achieved the same goals by preaching interdependence, and today we would probably have a healthier relationship to our sighted neighbors. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Carl,

All those things you mention are the things that so many blind people don't
mention or, even seem to think about, when discussing how they function and
their expectations of how other people should function. I probably mentioned
that my husband was seventeen years older than I so he was a well
established functioning adult blind man when I met him. I know that he
received all sorts of help from sighted associates at work. He always
dressed beautifully. Someone helped him choose those sport jackets and
trousers and ties that he wore to work. He'd been married previously to a
totally blind woman. But she co owned a two family house with her sighted
sister. When we married and then bought hour house in the suburbs, (buying
the house where we did is one of the dumbest decisions we made), my mother
used to visit almost every weekend. And then there were the sighted
neighbors who had children with whom my daughter played. When my very active
little girl got splinters in her hand, I'd ask my neighbor to take them out.
Back then, women were at home and there were people around. But after my
husband's death, when my daughter was an adult, she still wanted to believe
that we had been this very independent blind couple. It had to do with her
defense against all those people who indicated to her, in one way or another
when she was a child, that they felt sorry for her because she had blind
parents. And I remember having this discussion with her in which I tried to
say that we never could had survived, had there not been sighted people
around to give a hand when necessary. This fact doesn't diminish our
accomplishments, but it needs to be recognized.

Miriam  

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From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:23 AM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


I never saw myself as a super blind man.  I actually was trying to prove
that I was as good as my sighted neighbors.  And when I was young and my
senses were sharp and my sense of direction better than the average, I was a
good match in many things.  But I do remember, looking back, that I did play
down the areas where sight was critical.  Sure, I could mow my own lawn,
wash the windows, vacuum the floors, do the laundry, take my Braille grocery
list and my grocery cart and hike off to Safeway...and get my groceries. 
That last little item is not something a totally blind man is going to do
without sighted help no matter how clever he is. 
I always called ahead and was met by an employee who walked around the store
with me, putting the items in my cart. 
As a single parent, I mentioned before that I cooked the meals, did the
laundry and kept the books...well, not entirely.  My eldest daughter,
fifteen at the time, read me the bills and the amounts.  I Brailed them out
and kept a ledger, but I could not have done this without that vital sighted
help. 
On the job I did many amazing things, for a blind man...according to sighted
folks around me.  I rode the bus to and from work.  Of course so did many of
them.  I taught classes in food management, Braille, physical education and
even some O&M when no one was looking.  "Remarkable!  Truly amazing!" folks
would say.  But they were doing the same things.  I never thought them to be
super sighted people.  And what they chose to overlook, and much of the time
I did too, was just how much I depended upon my secretary to give me visual
information.  She would check out my office and advise me if I had spills of
coffee on tables.  She would do the same regarding my ties and shirts.  She
would tidy up the places that I'd overlooked, and arrange the office
conference table when I was expecting to have meetings.  She was at my side,
reading stuff that we could not translate into Braille.  And she gave me her
impressions of the people I dealt with. 
 
I could go on for pages, but as you can see, I was an interdependent blind
man, not an independent one. 
 
Carl Jarvis
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer


I think that perhaps blind people take sighted help for granted, but
I'm not
sure they all realize they're doing it. I also think that there is
this
image of super blind person, that they want to fill. But there are
people
who really don't realize how much help they're getting from others.

Miriam 

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of ted
chittenden
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:37 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

I think that a lot of people, both blind and sighted, take a lot for
granted. Sighted people take for granted that they will still
receive
benefits even while they demand that government cut costs. Blind
people
often take for granted the actual assistance they receive from
others (in
fact, it could be argued that taking that assistance for granted is
part of
the NFB philosophy--except that I have noticed ACB members doing it
too)
without realizing that the assistance they are getting is not
necessarily
available to everybody else. I think this taking of the help that
others
provide us for granted causes those who provide the assistance to
feel that
they have bben used and reluctant to offer any more assistance in
the
future.
--
Ted Chittenden

Every story has at least two sides if not more.
---- Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
Carl,

Yes, and I mention the details because all too often, blind people
who have
easily available sighted help, don't mention it and blind people who
don't,
and who have to struggle to find ways to get stuff done, feel as if
maybe
there's something wrong with them or they're doing something wrong.
There's
so much emphasis on independence and capability, and now-a-days, use
of
technology, that a lot of times when blind people talk to each other
about
their lives, they just omit the difficult details. We have a
situation here
in Nassau County where the private company that is now running our
paratransit system, began occasionally using a different color, very
quiet
van. Apparently, some of our LICB leadership encountered this, but
it never
occurred to them to post the information on their email list or
their
website. People with a bit of partial vision, could miss their rides
because
they're used to white vans. And Everyone is used to vans with very
loud
motors so a totally blind person can locate the van, even when it's
idling.
Somehow, it never occurred to anyone to post the information about
these new
vans that are occasionally substituted for the regular vans which
look
totally different from what we're used to and which you can't hear.
I can't
understand the self centeredness and denial of these people. I
compare this
to my husband, Fred, who was probably one of the most skillful blind
travelers I've ever known. He had an incredible sense of direction
and
fantastic hearing, and this ability to tell me if he passed a
telephone
pole. But he understood that traveling around New York City and its
suburbs
is incredibly challenging for blind people. I remember how, when we
went to
meetings in the city, he'd always ask folks "How was your trip here
today?"
And people appreciated that. As competent as they may have been at
getting
around, it helped to talk about it. It was a recognition of what we
all had
to deal with. So, getting back to debit card receipts, it's easy to
buy
stuff that way. You don't have to identify currency. But then you
have all
these little receipts.

Miriam 

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From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:54 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,
Like you, I am not mathematically inclined.  As a single parent, I
also kept
Braille notes stapled to my receipts and a Braille ledger.  My
eldest
daughter did spend a few minutes each week reading statements and
identifying things I needed to Braille.  My trade off with her was
that I
did all the laundry and cooking.  She helped with the bills and
sometimes
watched the two younger children. 
We got along, but I have to tell you that I would not trade Cathy
for any of
those "good old days". 
A sighted spouse, especially one you are really attached to, is one
huge
advantage. 

Carl Jarvis

----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, this is easier for sighted people because they can glance
through all
of those receipts and check them out against the balance in the
checking
account, etc. I make braille notes of those receipts, checks,
deposits,
withdrawals, etc. I use my CCTV to go through my bank statement and
it isn't
easy to do. Of course, the fact that I've always been
"mathematically
challenged" doesn't help. 

Miriam

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From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:14 PM
To: ceverett@dslextreme.com; Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Claude,
Even a Neanderthal, like me is going more and more to debit card
use.  Up
until about two years ago we would draw our operating money for the
month,
divide it into compartments for food, gas, etc.  Another draw from
our
business account was taken to cover client and business expenses. 
Nowadays we just keep a log and enter in the information.  We have a
second
debit card for our business. 
So if we are out on client business and stop for lunch, out comes
the
business debit card.  We include tax and tip.  If the service is
really bad,
the tip is almost nonexistent.  I have been known to take great
pleasure in
hearing a wait person pawing around among the dirty dishes, looking
for the
tip they are sure we left on the table.  Usually that's the only
time we saw
them at our table after dropping off our food. 
We also have a business credit card and another for our personal
use.  These
cards are used from time to time, but are always paid up by the end
of the
month, to avoid interest charges. 
This works well if you are as disciplined as my wife.  Cathy is very
detail
focused.  She keeps lists of the lists she keeps. 
Her sister has three credit cards, all of them maxed.  She is
trapped by the
Capitalistic system and will never get paid off. 
Carl Jarvis


----- Original Message -----
From: Claude Everett <mailto:ceverett@dslextreme.com
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Miriam,
You said: "Soon, people won't be using cash anymore anyway.  "  I
tend to
differ, there are small purchases, tips, and other transactions,
which will
still need cash.


Claude Everett
"First of all:  what is work?
Work is of two kinds:
  first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's
surface
relatively to other such matter;
second, telling other people to do so.
  The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant
and
highly paid."
From The collection of essays "In Praise of Idleness" by Bertrand
Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Miriam
Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:02 AM
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
Subject: RE: My call to Schumer

Well, they say that phone calls are more effective than letters and
personal
letters are more effective than petitions, etc. I think, if they get
enough
petitions from enough groups which appear to represent huge numbers
of
people, maybe they'll be influenced. Just think about the legal
opinion on
accessible money and see where this has gotten us so far. Several
private
companies made money from government contracts given to them to
study how to
implement the decision. How many years ago was this? And this was a
legal
decision in response to a suit. Soon, people won't be using cash
anymore
anyway.

Miriam

________________________________

From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:37 AM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: My call to Schumer


Miriam,

From one frustrated person to another: 
Change the name and the State, and your experience could have been
mine. 
While my congressman, Norm Dicks, did always answer me, it was with
form
letters or discussions about issues he was fighting for "on my
behalf". 
Back in the days when you had to actually sit down at a typewriter
and pound
out your concerns, the stationary that came back with the ambiguous
reply,
was on good quality paper.  For a while I thought I'd save them
until I had
enough to paper my office wall, but the quality went down to the
point that
it would be embarrassing to plaster them where anyone could see. 
I've often thought that this made a statement even before anyone
realized
that we, the people, were so insignificant that our representatives
could
cut corners by reducing the quality of their stationary, just as
they
reduced their involvement in our affairs. 

Carl Jarvis


----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:08 AM
Subject: My call to Schumer

I said that I'd received this email indicating that he's supporting
cuts in
social security and asked if it were true. Since the email didn't
include
details, only saying that he'd "put cuts on the table", The aide
with whom I
talked said that this was just a rumor and that he wasn't in favor
of any
cuts and said something about how they were dealing with
reconciliation now,
whatever that meant. I didn't even want to get into the filibuster
or
medicare and medicaid cuts. But I did say that rumors often had some
reality
behind them and that even our President was supporting this and I
then
talked a bit about my own personal situation. The aide was polite,
did not
sound especially warm or sympathetic, asked for my zip code, and
said she'd
relay my concerns to the Senator. I did manage to include the fact
that
there are corporations that pay no taxes, and wealthy people who are
doing
very well, and that the Democratic party is not fulfilling its
traditional
mandate. The experience reinforced why I tend not to make these
phone calls.
They are frustrating and I don't usually feel like I've accomplished
anything.

Miriam

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