Subject: Re: New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions
Here's where this sort of craziness will take us.
Within a short time you will find that if you accidently chopped off your finger, doctors will be able to treat the stub and you will grow a new finger. But what to do with that part of you that is sitting on ice, thinking that it might be joined to the rest of itself?
We could toss it in the garbage disposal and be done with it. But wait just a Damn minute! That piece of your finger has Rights, too! After all, until your carelessness it was a living part of you, enjoying all the good things in life.
Now you are going to allow some unfeeling doctor's assistant to toss you away?
Not in the day coming soon. That "cutting" will be able to be treated and grow another full finger. That new finger will be able to grow another hand. The hand will grow an arm, and so it will go until a new Alice is sitting there in the Lab, all naked and embarrassed.
But will this new Alice be the same as the old Alice? Will she be younger, firmer in all the right places? Will her eyes be 20/20 and will any imperfections(not that our Alice has any) be removed?
If this Alice is better than the original, what do we do with the old Alice? Toss her in the garbage disposal?
But she has a Right to Life, too!
Still, we can't clone Alice's home, or her clothes, or her income. Now we have two Alice's living together, trying to survive on one income.
I tell you, it's going to be a mess.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----From: Alice Dampman HumelSent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:19 AMSubject: Re: New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive AbortionsThis has got to be one of the stupidest and most idiotic bits of unreason I've ever read. I can't believe *anyone* would take this seriously. So if they need the fetus for evidence, the doctor who performs the abortion could put the little bit of protoplasm in a jar of formaldehyde and plunk it down in front of the judge and/or jury…and wouldn't the probirthers, antiabortion crowd just love *that*…it would serve them right. The fetus is a person except when they don't want it to be for their own purposes? Laughable. And even more shameful that the person putting this forward and/or thinking it up is herself a woman.
On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
Yes. But don't blame the victim. And remember that the law was written by a
woman.
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive
Abortions
I just can't believe that women will stand still for such dehumanizing,
demeaning crap!!
Please women of New Mexico, and from all over the nation, get your backbones
up and demand that ignorant, power hungry men get their noses out of your
lives.
As a blind man, I've had too many controllers trying to take charge of my
life, "in my best interest", of course.
I can tell any woman that they will never stand equal with men if they don't
stand up against allowing their lives to be controlled.
Let the women who are opposed to abortion decide for themselves to not have
an abortion.
Stop being fooled by this simpleton argument that Fetuses have rights, too.
I'll tell you who has rights. All those little children, the ones now out
of the Womb, being starved, brutalized and having drones drop out of the sky
snuffing out their poor little lives. Let's get to work to protect them and
save them, and see that they have a chance to grow up and live a normal
life.
Carl Jarvis
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Subject: New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive
Abortions
Shen reports: "Should a recently introduced bill in New Mexico
become law,
rape victims will be required to carry their pregnancies to term
during
their sexual assault trials or face charges of 'tampering with
evidence.'"
In New Mexico, women who are raped would have to carry pregnancy to
term or
face prison. (photo: Getty Images)
New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions
By Aviva Shen, ThinkProgress
25 January 13
Should a recently introduced bill in New Mexico become law, rape
victims
will be required to carry their pregnancies to term during their
sexual
assault trials or face charges of "tampering with evidence."
Under HB 206, if a woman ended her pregnancy after being raped, both
she and
her doctor would be charged with a felony punishable by up to 3
years in
state prison:
Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an
abortion,
or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus
that is
the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent
to
destroy evidence of the crime.
Sexual assault trials are infamously grueling for survivors, who are
often
subjected to character assassination and other attempts to discredit
their
accounts. State Rep. Cathrynn Brown's (R) bill would add the forced
choice
between prison or an unwanted pregnancy to these proceedings.
After several failed GOP candidates, including Todd Akin (R-MO) and
Richard
Mourdock (R-IN), made offensive comments about rape victims during
the last
election season, Republican consultants launched sensitivity
training to
teach candidates how to avoid talking about rape. But GOP policy
speaks for
itself. At the federal level, former vice presidential candidate
Rep. Paul
Ryan (R-WI) introduced a failed bill that would negate sexual
assault that
are not deemed "forcible rape." And another New Mexico lawmaker,
Gov. Susana
Martinez (R), advanced a proposal to require women who become
pregnant from
rape to prove they were "forcibly raped" in order to qualify for
childcare
assistance.
In addition to burdening victims of sexual assault, Brown's bill
also
reveals some hypocrisy in the anti-abortion community. While
anti-choice
advocates maintain that a fetus should be afforded the full rights
of
personhood, charging abortion as "tampering with evidence"
effectively turns
the fetus into an object. This isn't the first time so-called
pro-life
supporters have dropped the fetal personhood crusade when it was
convenient
- last year, a Catholic hospital in Colorado reversed its stance on
fetal
personhood in a malpractice suit, arguing in court that the term
"person"
should only apply to individuals who have already been born.
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In New Mexico, women who are raped would have to carry pregnancy to
term or
face prison. (photo: Getty Images)
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/24/1490691/new-mexico-lawmaker-rape-
victims-who-get-abortions-should-be-arrested-for-tampering-with-evidence/htt
p://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/24/1490691/new-mexico-lawmaker-rape-vic
tims-who-get-abortions-should-be-arrested-for-tampering-with-evidence/
New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions
By Aviva Shen, ThinkProgress
25 January 13
hould a recently introduced bill in New Mexico become law, rape
victims will
be required to carry their pregnancies to term during their sexual
assault
trials or face charges of "tampering with evidence."
Under HB 206, if a woman ended her pregnancy after being raped, both
she and
her doctor would be charged with a felony punishable by up to 3
years in
state prison:
Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an
abortion,
or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus
that is
the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent
to
destroy evidence of the crime.
Sexual assault trials are infamously grueling for survivors, who are
often
subjected to character assassination and other attempts to discredit
their
accounts. State Rep. Cathrynn Brown's (R) bill would add the forced
choice
between prison or an unwanted pregnancy to these proceedings.
After several failed GOP candidates, including Todd Akin (R-MO) and
Richard
Mourdock (R-IN), made offensive comments about rape victims during
the last
election season, Republican consultants launched sensitivity
training to
teach candidates how to avoid talking about rape. But GOP policy
speaks for
itself. At the federal level, former vice presidential candidate
Rep. Paul
Ryan (R-WI) introduced a failed bill that would negate sexual
assault that
are not deemed "forcible rape." And another New Mexico lawmaker,
Gov. Susana
Martinez (R), advanced a proposal to require women who become
pregnant from
rape to prove they were "forcibly raped" in order to qualify for
childcare
assistance.
In addition to burdening victims of sexual assault, Brown's bill
also
reveals some hypocrisy in the anti-abortion community. While
anti-choice
advocates maintain that a fetus should be afforded the full rights
of
personhood, charging abortion as "tampering with evidence"
effectively turns
the fetus into an object. This isn't the first time so-called
pro-life
supporters have dropped the fetal personhood crusade when it was
convenient
- last year, a Catholic hospital in Colorado reversed its stance on
fetal
personhood in a malpractice suit, arguing in court that the term
"person"
should only apply to individuals who have already been born.
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