Miriam, Ted and All,
Even the hint of presidential murder is a subject that I will not entertain. We put a flawed man into a flawed office in a system full of cracks and leaks. We Damn better do one thing right. And that is to make certain that this man and his family leave the office in 2016 in good health.
We are beginning to sound like just another Banana Republic. And why not? The same profiteers who have destroyed any hope of democracy in those little nations, are the same greed-driven terrorists who are robbing us of our freedom. Look around the world, for God's sake! All our money, influence and military efforts have not created one stable democracy. Quite the opposite.
And yet, we are breeding a generation of savages. Crazies who will take "justice" in their own hands. Demented men and women who will shove strangers off platforms into the path of trains merely because they "look Muslim or Hindu."
Brave Souls who go forth at night, patrolling the neighborhoods looking for any person of color. Scum who think it's real funny to talk about blowing that N***r right out of office.
These are the sorts of conversations I overhear in grocery stores and restaurants, that is, whenever conversations turn to politics...which is seldom. No talk about why we are in the mess we're in. Just accept it and cheer when someone gets blown away.
It's a national disgrace. History, if there will be a history, will talk about the Dark Age of the twenty-first century.
And finally, I will be greatly surprised if this nation continues into the twenty-second century without breaking into several warring factions.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----From: Miriam VieniSent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:12 AMSubject: RE: LUV News Jan. 1All I can say, after reading the last few posts from Bob, Frank, and you is
that if people on this list, who consider themselves to be left of center,
are so willing to accept the excuses for being sold out that they are being
given by our politicians, so ready to accept compromise, so ready to be
"realistic", then, as I've commented before, the idea of revolution in
America is a pipe dream. Everyone on the left is so reasonable and
accomodating in their thinking. No wonder Obama and the rest of the
politicians can so easily sell us out. The stock market? It's a fancy
version of Las Vegas. And Bob said that he'd be really upset if Obama cut
social programs. Well, he has already cut social programs, like heating
assistance for the elderly as one example. The whole idea of the "great
bargain" that he agreed to was to make cuts in domestic programs along with
the tax cuts. And the tax cuts for the poorer and middle class are permanent
while thos for the wealthy are temporary, especially the estate tax. And did
you read the article I sent last night about his affordaboe care act which
doesn't require health insurance to be affordable for the families of
covered employees? Do you all think this is fair and we should be reasonable
about it? Do you think the Simpson Bowles Commission which Obama set up was
fair and reasonable? It's one thing to say that given the power of the
corporations and banks and our military, we are stuck with what we have.
It's quite another to start making excuses for what is being done to us and
being rational about it.
Miriam
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of ted chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:00 AM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: RE: LUV News Jan. 1
Miriam:
I'm probably going to have to write a separate opinion piece about this, but
the New Deal and Great Society, no matter how popular they are, are
essentially dead. Many of the wealthiest members of our population are tired
of their money being taken from them and given to those "others" who they
believe to be lazy and non-deserving. And anybody seeking the Presidency
making the promises that Mr. Obama made in 2008 will quickly find out that
he will be unable to carry them out, no matter how much popular support he
has. And yes, I think that some members of the upper class are willing to
assassinate any leader who would dare to take more of their money away from
them.
--
Ted Chittenden
Every story has at least two sides if not more.
---- Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@optonline.net> wrote:
Carl,
Of course, from the day that Obama announced his candidacy, many of us were
afraid that someone would try to murder him. And the level of overt racism
did rise phenomenally. There have been several attempts on his life that we
know about and God knows how many that we don't know about. And so many
people have said that his being the first African American President is an
important enough service to our country, that he really doesn't need to do
anything else. I remember how thrilled we were in 2008 when he won. My older
daughter called me up that night, all excited, and we talked about how happy
my mother would have been, had she been alive to see this day. And my
younger daughter, the daughter who has African American and Vietnamese
heritage, told me that she felt prouder and more confident as a person
because this black man was now our President. And my friend Philippa, who
runs an adoption agency and returned to her country of Jamaica to live, kept
saying to me that people are going to hold Obama to a higher standard than
they would a white President. And knowing all this and accepting it, and
understanding that the fact of his race is why Progressives have waited and
hoped and given him slack over and over, I still say this. Obama knew what
he was taking on. He chose the terrible risk and trauma of the Presidency.
He knew who is base was and how loyal it was, and he used all those people
and manipulated them and he owes all of us something. He owes more of the
truth than he's ever been willing to tell us about what his true goals have
been and he owes us precisely what he tells us in every speech that our
country is supposed to be about and is supposed to do. He owes us more than
to bargain away our safety net, our services, and the little we have.
Miriaim
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:34 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: LUV News Jan. 1
Miriam,
I am not a praying man, but if I were, I would be on my knees every spare
moment begging for the Lord to protect this man's life. Barak Obama is a
product of the System. He is serving it to the best of his ability. Yet,
people who are benefitting from his efforts have been conditioned to see him
as a threat to their life style. And then there is the usual hordes of
crazies. If a woman can leap up and shove a man into the path of a train,
just imagine how many whack jobs are lurking about, ready to do the
president and his family harm.
This man must serve his term and go quietly into private life. We cannot
stand another ugly stain on our nation.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net>
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: LUV News Jan. 1
A lot of folks who ought to know better, are willing to make a lot
of
excuses for this president. He has been throwing crumbs to all of us
since
he took office in 2008. He talks about all of us working together
for the
good of the country. Just who is it, that he sees as "the country"?
His
administration has condoned and rewarded those who have lied to us,
taken us
to war unnecessarily, and stolen from us. This president is
consistently
stealing from most of us and handing our wealth to a very few. Do
you think
he's been shafting us because he's afraid of beeing assassinated?
Miriam
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Frank
Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 3:58 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: RE: LUV News Jan. 1
Carl, this isn't directed towards you. I think there is a whole lot
of
Monday morning armchair quaterbacking going here. Although the
Presdient may
have support of the majority of the populous that means nothing. He
is
staring at a congress, with its virtually unlimited resources, that
are
firmly backed by those that control 99 percent of the worlds wealth
and
power. Any move will lead to a political assassination, anyone
Frank
remember the Carter administration?
From: blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounces@octothorp.org] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
Subject: Re: LUV News Jan. 1
Someone needs to tell president Obama that the yellow stripe down
his back
is clashing with his otherwise beautiful complexion.
Carl Jarvis
----- Original Message -----
From: Miriam Vieni <mailto:miriamvieni@optonline.net>
To: 'Blind Democracy Discussion List'
<mailto:blind-democracy@octothorp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:07 AM
Subject: LUV News Jan. 1
OBAMA CAVES
In negotiations with Republicans last night, President Obama backed
off his
promise to require tax cuts, for those making over $250,000
annually, to
expire, raising the number to $400,000.
Even loyal supporters of President Obama were critical: "We just
finished an
election in which the American people made clear that they want the
wealthiest 2 percent to finally pay their fair share of taxes, but
this
agreement fails to meet that test," said Justin Ruben, executive
director of
MoveOn.org. "Voters gave President Obama a mandate to end the Bush
tax cuts
for those making more than $250,000. He has not delivered."
"Well I just think that's grossly unfair," loyal Democrat Senator
Tom Harkin
remarked, voting against the bill.
Paul Krugman who nearly always sides with the Democrats, remarked
"OK, now
for the really bad news. Anyone looking at these negotiations,
especially
given Obama's previous behavior, can't help but reach one main
conclusion:
whenever the president says that there's an issue on which he
absolutely,
positively won't give ground, you can count on him, you know, giving
way -
and soon, too."
The bill passed in the Senate 89-8, and now goes to the House, which
will
have lame ducks not under reelection pressure to vote until
Thursday, when
new Members are sworn in.
The next shoe to drop, spending cuts, is delayed. President Obama
has put
Social Security and other social programs "on the table" in what he
calls
his "grand bargain."
LUV News has proposed a simple, painless solution, to do what the
American
people say they want in polling-- to end the wars, close overseas
military
bases and bring the troops home, thereby ending the Empire. And to
actually
tax the rich, by confiscating all of the investments they have
sheltered
abroad to avoid paying taxes-- enough revenue itself to erase the
entire
federal deficit without pain (the rich aren't even using this
money).
________________________________________
________________________________________
________________________________________
Since we began LUV News on May 1st, 1998 (May Day will be our
fifteenth
anniversary), the question we've been asked the most by readers is
what ever
happened to the Zapatistas, and can we get an update?
Like the Occupy Movement, Mexico's indigenous population have
remained
active, and the good news for the new year is that they have begun
to march
and show their power to the Mexican government.
I read all of the beautifully moving manifestos of Subcommandante
Marcos in
the 1990's, in which he explained the suffering of the Mayan peoples
who
lived in Chiapas. Although they produced much of Mexico's
electricity, most
of them live without electricity. They do not have running water.
They
produce fine coffee for export, but cannot afford to buy any for
themselves.
The Zapatistas had tried peaceful protest-- over a hundred thousand
marched
toward Mexico City for a peaceful protest, but like the Occupy
Movement in
the USA, they were beaten and arrested. Political action was not
effective,
because Mexicans have a government every bit as controlled as our
own,
enabling Carlos Slim to become the wealthiest man on earth even as
millions
go hungry. Zapatistas tried to oppose NAFTA, knowing it would be
brutal
toward the Mexican poor, driving down wages and finishing off family
farms.
Finally, on the day NAFTA became law, New Years Day 1994, they
rebelled.
The USA, siding as it always does with the ruling Forces of Greed,
provided
satellite surveillance so that the Mexican army could attack these
indigenous people, at times seemingly indiscriminately slaughtering
men,
women and children to restore what those in power define as "order."
Corporate media were brutal, as they are toward all potential
outbreaks of
democracy, denouncing the Zapatistas, even spreading rumors that
Subcommandante Marcos was gay. In response, Marcos replied, "Yes,
Marcos is
gay. Marcos is gay in San Francisco, black in South Africa, an Asian
in
Europe, a Chicano in San Ysidro, an anarchist in Spain, a
Palestinian in
Israel, a Mayan Indian in the streets of San Cristobal, a Jew in
Germany, a
Gypsy in Poland, a Mohawk in Quebec, a pacifist in Bosnia, a single
woman on
the Metro at 10pm, a peasant without land, a gang member in the
slums, an
unemployed worker, an unhappy student and, of course, a Zapatista in
the
mountains.
"Marcos is all the exploited, marginalized, oppressed minorities
resisting
and saying `Enough'. He is every minority who is now beginning to
speak and
every majority that must shut up and listen. He is every untolerated
group
searching for a way to speak. Everything that makes power and the
good
consciences of those in power uncomfortable -- this is Marcos."
And two weeks ago, on the winter solstice, the day many say the
Mayan
prophesy of the end of the world was realized, the Zapatistas
marched in the
streets of Mexico to tell the world they are pushing for a new world
with a
level playing field --Jack Balkwill
Zapatistas can still change the rules of Mexico's politics
A mass silent protest in Chiapas shows the indigenous movement
remains a
formidable political force
by Luis Hernández Navarro
21 December 2012 was supposed to be the doomsday that ended the
Mayan
calendar cycle, but instead it marked the resurgence of the
indigenous
Zapatistas of south-east Mexico. After more than a year and a half
without a
public statement, the rebel Mayans of the Zapatista Army of National
Liberation (Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional, EZLN) marched
in
total silence along the streets of five cities in the state of
Chiapas.
In this beginning of the new Mayan cycle, more than 40,000 members
of
Zapatista "social bases" (who support the military structure but are
not
directly involved in it) walked in the rain. They marched with
discipline
and dignity, their faces covered with masks. They came to the cities
from
distant mountain communities with no public transport, in the
largest
mobilisation since the emergence of the EZLN in 1994. When the
demonstration
ended, the Zapatista general command issued a brief statement signed
by
their spokesman Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos: "Did you hear? It
is the
sound of your world collapsing/it is our world coming back."
It can't be said that the Zapatistas reappeared, because they never
left.
The EZLN was founded 28 years ago, and for the first 10 years it
grew
beneath the radar; 18 years ago, it appeared in public. Since then,
it has
spoken at times and been silent at times, but it has never been
inactive. It
has repeatedly been declared dead or irrelevant, but it has always
come
back.
Its first public appearance was on 1 January 1994, the day that the
North
American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) came into force. Zapatistas
declared
war on the Mexican government and took military control of five
cities in
Chiapas. They fought for 10 days and finally accepted a truce in
order to
negotiate a peace. The painstaking peace process was derailed when
the
federal government refused to honour the commitment it made in
February 1996
to acknowledge indigenous rights and culture in the national
constitution.
To combat the Zapatistas, then-president Ernesto Zedillo, of the
Institutional Revolutionary party (which returned to power in 2012),
promoted low-intensity warfare and the formation of paramilitary
groups. On
22 December 1997, one of those groups killed 45 people, most of them
unarmed
women and children who were praying for peace, in the Chiapas
community of
Acteal.
The magnitude of the 21 December Zapatista protest indicates that
the
counter-insurgency strategy followed by several governments has
failed. It
shows that the Zapatista project is a genuine expression of the
Mayan world
and many poor mestizo peasants in Chiapas. Guided by its own
political
calendar, faithful to its ethical commitments, and with the might of
the
government against it, the EZLN has reinforced its autonomous forms
of
governance and kept alive its political authority among the
country's
indigenous peoples; its international networks of solidarity also
remain
active. .
Zapatistas have two levels of government, corresponding in part to
the
territorial settlements of the indigenous peoples. One is the
regional
government, the Council of Good Governance. The other is the
autonomous
municipality, which acts on a local level. Within these
municipalities, the
social bases elect their authorities and govern themselves,
administering
justice and solving land conflicts.
In their territories, the rebels have made their health and
education
systems function without the federal and state governments; they
have
organised production and commercialisation and maintain a standing
military.
They have solved the challenge of the generational replacement of
military
officers. As if these achievements were not enough, they have
successfully
tackled the menaces of drug-trafficking, public security and
migration.
The EZLN has joined the new game of Mexican politics without an
invitation,
and now sits at the table. Its resurgence will challenge, and
possibly even
change, some of the rules of this often dirty game.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/31/zapatistas-mexico-politi
cs-protest
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OBAMA CAVES
In negotiations with Republicans last night, President Obama backed
off his
promise to require tax cuts, for those making over $250,000
annually, to
expire, raising the number to $400,000.
Even loyal supporters of President Obama were critical: "We just
finished an
election in which the American people made clear that they want the
wealthiest 2 percent to finally pay their fair share of taxes, but
this
agreement fails to meet that test," said Justin Ruben, executive
director of
MoveOn.org. "Voters gave President Obama a mandate to end the Bush
tax cuts
for those making more than $250,000. He has not delivered."
"Well I just think that's grossly unfair," loyal Democrat Senator
Tom Harkin
remarked, voting against the bill.
Paul Krugman who nearly always sides with the Democrats, remarked
"OK, now
for the really bad news. Anyone looking at these negotiations,
especially
given Obama's previous behavior, can't help but reach one main
conclusion:
whenever the president says that there's an issue on which he
absolutely,
positively won't give ground, you can count on him, you know, giving
way -
and soon, too."
The bill passed in the Senate 89-8, and now goes to the House, which
will
have lame ducks not under reelection pressure to vote until
Thursday, when
new Members are sworn in.
The next shoe to drop, spending cuts, is delayed. President Obama
has put
Social Security and other social programs "on the table" in what he
calls
his "grand bargain."
LUV News has proposed a simple, painless solution, to do what the
American
people say they want in polling-- to end the wars, close overseas
military
bases and bring the troops home, thereby ending the Empire. And to
actually
tax the rich, by confiscating all of the investments they have
sheltered
abroad to avoid paying taxes-- enough revenue itself to erase the
entire
federal deficit without pain (the rich aren't even using this
money).
Since we began LUV News on May 1st, 1998 (May Day will be our
fifteenth
anniversary), the question we've been asked the most by readers is
what ever
happened to the Zapatistas, and can we get an update?
Like the Occupy Movement, Mexico's indigenous population have
remained
active, and the good news for the new year is that they have begun
to march
and show their power to the Mexican government.
I read all of the beautifully moving manifestos of Subcommandante
Marcos in
the 1990's, in which he explained the suffering of the Mayan peoples
who
lived in Chiapas. Although they produced much of Mexico's
electricity, most
of them live without electricity. They do not have running water.
They
produce fine coffee for export, but cannot afford to buy any for
themselves.
The Zapatistas had tried peaceful protest-- over a hundred thousand
marched
toward Mexico City for a peaceful protest, but like the Occupy
Movement in
the USA, they were beaten and arrested. Political action was not
effective,
because Mexicans have a government every bit as controlled as our
own,
enabling Carlos Slim to become the wealthiest man on earth even as
millions
go hungry. Zapatistas tried to oppose NAFTA, knowing it would be
brutal
toward the Mexican poor, driving down wages and finishing off family
farms.
Finally, on the day NAFTA became law, New Years Day 1994, they
rebelled.
The USA, siding as it always does with the ruling Forces of Greed,
provided
satellite surveillance so that the Mexican army could attack these
indigenous people, at times seemingly indiscriminately slaughtering
men,
women and children to restore what those in power define as "order."
Corporate media were brutal, as they are toward all potential
outbreaks of
democracy, denouncing the Zapatistas, even spreading rumors that
Subcommandante Marcos was gay. In response, Marcos replied, "Yes,
Marcos is
gay. Marcos is gay in San Francisco, black in South Africa, an Asian
in
Europe, a Chicano in San Ysidro, an anarchist in Spain, a
Palestinian in
Israel, a Mayan Indian in the streets of San Cristobal, a Jew in
Germany, a
Gypsy in Poland, a Mohawk in Quebec, a pacifist in Bosnia, a single
woman on
the Metro at 10pm, a peasant without land, a gang member in the
slums, an
unemployed worker, an unhappy student and, of course, a Zapatista in
the
mountains.
"Marcos is all the exploited, marginalized, oppressed minorities
resisting
and saying `Enough'. He is every minority who is now beginning to
speak and
every majority that must shut up and listen. He is every untolerated
group
searching for a way to speak. Everything that makes power and the
good
consciences of those in power uncomfortable -- this is Marcos."
And two weeks ago, on the winter solstice, the day many say the
Mayan
prophesy of the end of the world was realized, the Zapatistas
marched in the
streets of Mexico to tell the world they are pushing for a new world
with a
level playing field --Jack Balkwill
Zapatistas can still change the rules of Mexico's politics
A mass silent protest in Chiapas shows the indigenous movement
remains a
formidable political force
by Luis Hernández Navarro
21 December 2012 was supposed to be the doomsday that ended the
Mayan
calendar cycle, but instead it marked the resurgence of the
indigenous
Zapatistas of south-east Mexico. After more than a year and a half
without a
public statement, the rebel Mayans of the Zapatista Army of National
Liberation (Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional, EZLN) marched
in
total silence along the streets of five cities in the state of
Chiapas.
In this beginning of the new Mayan cycle, more than 40,000 members
of
Zapatista "social bases" (who support the military structure but are
not
directly involved in it) walked in the rain. They marched with
discipline
and dignity, their faces covered with masks. They came to the cities
from
distant mountain communities with no public transport, in the
largest
mobilisation since the emergence of the EZLN in 1994. When the
demonstration
ended, the Zapatista general command issued a brief statement signed
by
their spokesman Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos: "Did you hear? It
is the
sound of your world collapsing/it is our world coming back."
It can't be said that the Zapatistas reappeared, because they never
left.
The EZLN was founded 28 years ago, and for the first 10 years it
grew
beneath the radar; 18 years ago, it appeared in public. Since then,
it has
spoken at times and been silent at times, but it has never been
inactive. It
has repeatedly been declared dead or irrelevant, but it has always
come
back.
Its first public appearance was on 1 January 1994, the day that the
North
American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) came into force. Zapatistas
declared
war on the Mexican government and took military control of five
cities in
Chiapas. They fought for 10 days and finally accepted a truce in
order to
negotiate a peace. The painstaking peace process was derailed when
the
federal government refused to honour the commitment it made in
February 1996
to acknowledge indigenous rights and culture in the national
constitution.
To combat the Zapatistas, then-president Ernesto Zedillo, of the
Institutional Revolutionary party (which returned to power in 2012),
promoted low-intensity warfare and the formation of paramilitary
groups. On
22 December 1997, one of those groups killed 45 people, most of them
unarmed
women and children who were praying for peace, in the Chiapas
community of
Acteal.
The magnitude of the 21 December Zapatista protest indicates that
the
counter-insurgency strategy followed by several governments has
failed. It
shows that the Zapatista project is a genuine expression of the
Mayan world
and many poor mestizo peasants in Chiapas. Guided by its own
political
calendar, faithful to its ethical commitments, and with the might of
the
government against it, the EZLN has reinforced its autonomous forms
of
governance and kept alive its political authority among the
country's
indigenous peoples; its international networks of solidarity also
remain
active. .
Zapatistas have two levels of government, corresponding in part to
the
territorial settlements of the indigenous peoples. One is the
regional
government, the Council of Good Governance. The other is the
autonomous
municipality, which acts on a local level. Within these
municipalities, the
social bases elect their authorities and govern themselves,
administering
justice and solving land conflicts.
In their territories, the rebels have made their health and
education
systems function without the federal and state governments; they
have
organised production and commercialisation and maintain a standing
military.
They have solved the challenge of the generational replacement of
military
officers. As if these achievements were not enough, they have
successfully
tackled the menaces of drug-trafficking, public security and
migration.
The EZLN has joined the new game of Mexican politics without an
invitation,
and now sits at the table. Its resurgence will challenge, and
possibly even
change, some of the rules of this often dirty game.
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